eastwestphoto: I would have appreciated a back photo from DPreview, showing the contacts and lens mount. This series of lenses may be MF, but; I like seeing the data transmission contacts so i can compare with my other Sony FF AF lenses. I was never a English major in college, I went to college for Photographic technology and science and optics and mechanics and electronics are important to me. I use MF all the time on Sony A7r & Sony Nex 7, I never trust anybody's AF system to be as good as magnified focus assist. Thus MF zeiss lenses using the time tested Rangefinder, SLR Planar design, with a modern aspherical elements, will hopefully be a very high resolution lens? I think the 50/2 is more to my liking, I have both of these lenses on a Contarex Bullseye SLR from yesteryear and a Contarex > Nex adapter also. The planar 50/2 was a amazingly great lens in the film days of Zeiss glory. Regards, Don
Zeiss Blog has image showing the contacts and mount (http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2014/08/Loxia-35-mm-3.jpg)
Oleg Ivanovskiy: The first problem here is holding the whole thing. Cell phones do not have any grip on the back side. This construction, based on plastic arms, does not look reliable. And we are talking about quite expensive and fragile equipment. Just one fall - and there go your money. Other problem are controls. That are sensor-only. They (Sony) need to think a lot about UI here. Third part is power drain. Cell phone will be sucked dry after a few hours, just by the time you need it as a phone.Still, I like this brave idea.
None of what you mention is unique to this product that is designed to merely enhance photographic capabilities, and deliver IQ one can expect from an APS-c DSLR/mirror-less camera. I'm assuming you're speaking of QX1, of course.
You would be using the same touchscreen UI if you were using your phone, and if you happen to drop your phone, it will likely cost you a lot more.
Dave Oddie: They look a nice pair of lenses.
In fact in terms of specification being F2 and 35 and 50 they are what Sony should have brought out themselves instead of the slow (by modern standards) 35mm F2.8 and the too-long 55mm F1.8.
I don't buy this idea that had they (or CZ) come out with AF versions of the 35/F2 and 50/F2 they would have to be larger lenses.
The Canon 35mm F2 which has both AF and Optical image stabilization is 335g in weight whereas the CZ 35mm F4 is 5g heavier at 340g. The Canon has 67mm filters v 52mm but it is only just over 3mm longer. Nothing in it.
The Canon 35's weight savings come from where Zeiss' weight gains: build quality, inside and out. Weight is usually not a good measure for such argument as materials used can play a major role (more plastic, lighter weight).
In terms of size, 67mm to 52mm is significant. Not to mention, while the SLR mount lens can be shorter, you have to consider focus plane to lens distance for effective lengh (which is what adapter will add). A comparison (6D vs a7 w/Loxia 35 vs a7 w/Sony FE 35):http://camerasize.com/compact/#380.368,487.429,487.394,ha,t
mschuermann: What about FE lenses? Can those be mounted on the QX1 as well?
Yep. "FE" simply means Full Frame lens for E-mount. And Zeiss Loxia "FE" 50 joins FE 55. There are other native E-mount 40-50mm lenses as well.
But, for QX1, E 50/1.8 would do the trick... with stabilization.
Ozyxy: Perfect for street photography, social documentary photography and photojournalism! I hope QX1 has a silent shutter as well and no LEDs to indicate when it is ON. Now documenting police abuse of power and gangsters has become easier!
Silent shutter issues will have to be resolved before they go mainstream. For now, it will largely be EFCS (electronic first curtain shutter) which this camera may have.
BarnET2: I am going to a concert in 2 monthsLots of movement dark you know the thing.Grainy shots on my girlfriends Facebook the day after.
I can't take a DSLR inside. They just won't allow it unless your press. A small mirrorless like the gm-1 with a prime is a possibility. The qx1 with a 50mm OSS would be even better.
I was in New Orleans last weekend. For a change, I decided not to carry my camera since I normally use a sling strap (Gariz Gunshot), typically with 35mm lens with a lens or two in my pocket. It was great to do so... until I walked into Bourbon street area, only to discover there was a decadence fest about to happen. Well, all I had was my cell phone.
This was a classic case for having a smart phone camera accessory that could be carried without even a sling strap much less a bag, just in a pocket with a lens or two, and get high quality results than a camera phone can provide.
tomnorth: Dumbest product ever! Well, I guess the original version was actually the dumbest.
Now imagine that you're able to carry the core of your GH3 and use it with your iPhone, instead of carrying GH3 that can put many DSLRs to shame with its size. You have a better chance of fitting the core in a pocket and have it with you more often. That is the point.
bigley Ling: Wow, I want to mount my SEL 18-200 onto the QX1! Wonder if my phone will still fit into my pocket!
If your pockets are large enough to fit E 18-200, chances are, you will be able to fit QX1 as well. For that matter, QX1 wouldn't need to be in the same pocket either. ;)
jhinkey: I can see a lot of potential uses for the QX1 - uses where you want a compact imaging device with a big sensor and can use some decent (and potentially fast) glass.I see a lot of creative types jumping all over this.
Actually, this IS an Alpha (and now a current Alpha). And it will be friendlier to the pocket than a camera body is.
RichRMA: An APS sensor module mounted to a smartphone. Probably the stupidest invention in some time. Sony really does want to commit financial suicide.
Actually, to Sony, there is little development involved here but with potential rewards. This is basically a Sony a5000 minus the larger body. The same applies to previous and the new models (QX10, QX100 and QX30).
As for APSc sensor, it is for those who might not be satisfied with Smart Phone IQ beyond quick image sharing (you can do that with this too, and still have high quality images). Not to mention, you're not limited to a single lens either.
GodSpeaks: What is the point in these cameras, especially the QX-1? Why would I want to use such a camera?
Cell phones have enough power issues, without adding constantly on WiFi and screen to actually be able to use the QX 'cameras'.
Some people may prefer better IQ than smart phones provide and lens interchangeability. Some may want to take advantage of its smaller size relative to a camera body, for portability, for other applications (drones, action cam, remote cam...).
That is the point.
Ruy Penalva: I don't understand why Zeiss insist on doing MF lens. Wake up Zeiss!
I didn't mean to imply MF was good only for video. I prefer that for stills as well (it is why I have a good collection of legacy lenses).
If you need auto focus, the Loxia line is not for you. Sony has a couple of Sonnars for that (35mm and 55mm) and expected to add 85mm shortly, and may be Zeiss too will expand Touit line into FF territory and offer AF as it does for APSc today.
The Loxia line is taking ZM (Leica M) mount approach.
@Ruy, let us hear from Canon on the subject:
"No. Neither the EOS C300 nor the EOS C300 PL support autofocus. The autofocus needs of a still photographer are very different than that of the cinema user. In cinema use, focus is preferred to be fully manual for full control and smooth shot timing by an experienced focus puller or camera operator."(Link: http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/misc/cinemaEOS_faq.shtml)
So, while you CAN use AF, it is not the preferred mode.
Frank_BR: "A key is supplied that users can use to deactivate the 'click' of the aperture ring"
A lens with a special key? Are you kidding, Zeiss?Why not a switch like those on many Japanese lenses?
Oh, I get it! Why simplify if you can complicate?
Lets just call the key, a switch instead. Done. :)
Kirppu: I personally don't get this concept. Buy a lens mount, that work by it self no matter that the ergonomics seem to suck. Use your lens mount with your smart phone that acts as you camera rear screen. Still you're far from ergonomic nirvana.Plus, you still have to buy lenses for your system.
Heck why not just buy the E-mount camera body?This is one of those things I just don't get it.
This camera is about the size of a 50mm SLR lens, which opens up opportunities to carry or mount. Most people are using smart phone cameras these days not because they deliver great IQ, but because they are always with you. This camera can be an option to address the IQ issue in a big way while being smaller than the typical camera body plus the lens.
TheWhiteDog: I just noticed the QX1 has a 1.5 multiplier so that loses me, no wide angles(except extreme ones that would be too big for this rig and would give at most an equivalent 24mm) Might appeal though for remote use with long teles but that would be cumbersome and I wouldn't trust the security of the setup. Too bad. But I am sure the concept will be refined in the future, SONY is always pushing the boundaries and that is no bad thing.
Rokinon 8mm f/2.8 and 12mm f/2 lenses are quite small. And Sony 10-18/4 is also one of the smallest ultra-wide zoom lenses out there... although this unit will make more sense with something like Sony 16mm, 20mm, 35mm primes, or Sigma 30mm (all small lenses) and will produce IQ expected from 1.5x multiplier APSc DSLR/mirror-less bodies... make that 1.6x multiplier for Canon.
forpetessake: There is already largely improved alternative to QX1, with similar weight, size and a bit more expensive, but a lot more functional -- A5100.
Is it an easier fit in a pocket?
Gesture: Let's reinvent the camera. At least, Samsung and Sony are meeting the future more than half way. By the time you purchase and add on these sensors and lenses, clamps, whatever, it would be easier-and less expensive- to just pull out a connected camera-but if this is what the younger generation wants ...
This would be useful not for the occasions when you might carry your camera, rather when you might just find a way to simply carry something that is about the size of a lens (and skip the body).
Fortunately, I've seen dumber arguments. Don't worry, it is not designed to eat into smart phone cameras.
Doubt on silent shutter. It is simply a miniaturized a5000 body.