vapentaxuser: Low ISO shots are superb. ISO3200 looks alright but it appears Sony is applying quite a bit of noise reduction at that sensitivity to keep the JPEGS clean. Probably better to shoot RAW and apply noise reduction on your own if you want to shoot that high up the ISO scale. But of course if you don't pixel peep routinely you may never notice.
I too liked the ISO 3200 shots. However, I would be curious as to the amount of NR used in the settings. NR= Weak is always a good start and I suspect that was not the case.
Can we please start using few images covering most conditions rather than a series of snap shots without a feel for why a particular setting/scene was chosen?
Somehow DPR makes every camera look like every other.
cinemascope: Superzooms are like megapixels. Point and shooters are easily impressed by zoom ratios as a metric when buying, when probably 98%* of their photos are taken at base wide angle (think group photos, landscape, selfies). A 20-50mm equivalent would cover most point and shooters' needs while allowing for a bigger sensor within reasonable size constraints. Think Canon G1X but with less range...
* I ran a quick script parsing the EXIF info from my siblings' photo backups, who are P&Srs, and came with about 96% at base wide, 2.5% just off base, 1% normal (30-50mm)... Fair enough this is not a large sampling base but was an interesting exercise nonetheless...
I agree, to some extent. But, IMO, 28-300 is a very useful range even if most images would like be using 28-100mm equivalent. Anything beyond, is more marketing speak.
Hasa: I have one major gripe with the RX-10:At this elevated price point I would expect image stabilization of some sort especially to aid in video recording. The stabilization of the Nikon AFS-G 24-85mm with stabilization is amazing for video.
It has stabilization for both stills and video. You can get full specifications (and image samples) here:http://www.sony.net/Products/di/en-us/products/4axb/index.html#specifications
Specifically on stabilization:[Still Image] Optical [Movie] Active Mode, Optical type with electronic compensation (Anti-rolling)
Eigenmeat: 8X zoom is barely a superzoom these days. Also, I can pick up a APS-C D3200/Ti5+ 18-2XX zoom for about 800$.
A APS-C cam with a slow 18-2XX lens will STILL have more DOF control than this. The RX10 is only F7.6 FF eqv when it comes to DOV as pointed out by DPR.
@Timwit:"@einsteinwannabe - first two pictures too small to evaluate."Stop complaining. It is a lot more than words.
Alex Moscow: Maybe Sony will elaborate something beyond the limit in terms of lens sharpness... but I still doubt a 8.3x zoom can deliver up to ... say RX100. Still doubt it
I'm not surprised. While no lens can maintain optimal sharpness especially at the longest FL, the Zeiss Vario-Sonnar lens in my ten year old F828 (28-200mm equiv) has excellent sharpness at any FL. However, F828 resolution was 8 MP. In this case, RX10 has 20 MP, and the lens appears to be well matched.
Eigenmeat: Ahhh, the zoom ring is flight-by-wired... I guess they did geared this more toward video shooters!
They geared it ALSO towards video graphy. Pricewise, it is positioned against Panasonic GH3 (body-only). The sensors should perform similarly.
GH3 versus RX10 (Front): http://j.mp/1gni0iA
Joseph Mama: 200mm is NOT a super-zoom. Its not even a travel zoom, any more than a P7800 or P330 would be considered as such. At least those two are compact and pocketable.
I'll refrain from further opinions, but lets at least categorize the camera correctly. Call it a large-sensor bridge or something.
I think to many, it ain't a super zoom, unless it has a dust speck for a sensor. In other words, whether it is a super zoom or not is mere distraction. So what if someone calls it a super zoom?
Sony also appears to be marketing RX10 as a video camera, which makes it even more interesting.
BTW, comparison with a DSLR is not unwarranted, but there are real consequences to being stuck with slower zoom lenses, despite of a camera's ability to handle noise. Despite its size, the sensor in RX10 is a strong performer and comparable to larger sensors which can help it maintain an edge on exposure.
The DOF aspect is different, and really, a travel zoom on an APS-C DSLR is also quite limited (you might get 200mm f/7 on RX10 but 200mm f/8 on D3200, for example).
Samples from RX10:1:http://www.sony.net/Products/di/common/images/products/4axb/actualphotos/ap_2_modal.jpg?13819884170582:http://www.sony.net/Products/di/common/images/products/4axb/actualphotos/ap_9_modal.jpg?13819885010983:http://www.sony.net/Products/di/common/images/products/4axb/actualphotos/photo_sample1.jpg
Salvux: I think the real competitor to this camera is the Nikon V2. It would be interesting to include it in the comparison.
Nikon 1 V2 + 1 NIKKOR 10-100mm f/4.0-5.6 VR - $1,349.9514.2 MP 1" CMOS sensor27-270mm equivalent1440k-dot color TFT LCD viewfinder 921,000 Dots monitor
Sony Cyber-shot DSC RX10 8.8-73.3 mm F2.8 - around $1,30020MP 1"-type BSI CMOS sensor24-200mm equivalent F2.8 lensFlip-out, 1.3m dot (VGA resolution) rear LCD1.14m dot OLED viewfinder
Now only if Nikon came out with a 9-75mm f/2.8 lens and sold it with V2 for $1300 would we have a valid comparison. The 10-100 is a slow (and still massive) lens. Here's how the two compare:
Francis Carver: Yeah, I must be dumb. I have no idea who a "funambulist" might be and what he/she /it might do when it comes to photography and videography, and also no clue as to what "vertiginously" means. Must be some Herr von Rumpelstiltskin exotic lingo hard at work here, surely.
QUESTION: Where the heck are the built-in MICROPHONES on this thing?
COMMENT: For $1,300, I would have expected dual memory card slots.
Otherwise, a grand and even valiant offering from Sony. All of a sudden, Panny GH3 and Canon EOS 5D don't look so good for video.
24-200mm is FF equiv for field of view and f/2.8 is applicable to exposure where your math for deriving equiv aperture is about depth of field.Sample (f/5.6): http://www.sony.net/Products/di/common/images/products/4axb/actualphotos/photo_sample1.jpg
If you're trying to change the lens on RX10, or even making it an argument, you've missed the point completely. And for $1300, you're left with no lenses to shoot with, much less change on GH3.
Naveed Akhtar: Again, a heart-winning idea and excellent feature-set.
F2.8 at such a flexible focal-length. 1" sensor is also well proven!!
But price and size make me wonder, should I get this one big camera or shouldn't I just buy 35-100 f2.8 from pany people and complete my focal range on m43! Both will be cheaper and smaller/lighter to add-on!
For a new comer, it might have some value, but again, if a newcomer would like to spend this much?
Panasonic 35-100 gives you 70-200 reach. You would also need 12-35, making it a 2-lens system to cover the range. The 1" sensor is also a good match to m43 sensors too despite of being smaller.
Considering all that, $1300 doesn't sound too bad if one prefers a fixed lens solution over an ILC.
Siberiinn: My trusty K-M A2 is getting worried! Sony let the ex-Minolta engineers loose to design another legendary camera.
I see a lot of Sony F828 in this, including similar reach, same high quality build and price class, albeit with 4x larger sensor. It looks like a fantastic camera. The 20 MP 1" sensor performs larger than it is.
Valentinian: impressive development.however, if someone has $1300 to spend on a camera, what would be his/her options?Sony DCS-RX10E M-5 with 12-50??can you make a list?
RX10 over EM-5. Sensors are fairly well matched, and RX10 has a longer reach with faster lens, and additional resolution.
zodiacfml: It's only now I realized why it is isn't APSC sized sensor. They don't want to compete with their NEX line.
APS-c sensor would require a 16-135mm f/2.8 lens, or even f/4 if you want to consider matching high iso noise performance. Such lens would be big, heavy and more expensive.
Another way to look at it: consider NEX-6 ($850 body only at launch). And Sony Zeiss 16-70mm f/4 Vario-Elmar lens ($1000). You're already $500 over.
Artistico: Looks like a fine camera on paper, though one of my pet peeves is the unnecessary pixel count of the RX cameras as 12 megapixels would have given the same amount of detail with reduced noise, better dynamic range and smaller file sizes.
The sensor is excellent on RX100 and in fact matches well with m43 sensors which are larger. Noise is also practically a non-issue in the price class, especially when shooting RAW. And this, with 20 MP to play with (which can also help extend reach via cropping, or clear image zoom, or similar features if they are included).
thx1138: Wow, this is a beautiful camera IMO and is that a first, a compact with a top mount LCD just like a full size DSLR?
A very good travel companion for a DSLR, but what's with the slow min shutter speed of 1/3220 on an f/2.8 lens.
The LCD on top was also on Sony F828 (a predecessor to RX10). The F828 had similar reach (28-200 equiv. in that case) with a bright lens (f/2-2.8) but the sensor was much smaller. And I still use my ten year old Sony F828 as the third option and if not for the small sensor with limited ISO performance, it still remains a great camera especially due to its lens and features (including the option to shoot in IR mode, and silent shutter).
The F828 was limited to 1/2000s and with f/2-2.8, even at ISO 64, it was easy to exceed the shutter speed limit. The RX10 is actually better if it can handle 1/3200s as the typical DSLR about 1/4000s (including some FF DSLRs).
ric63: Long awaited succesor to the amazing and ground breaking camera the R1Sony is the only company that keeps trying, some things are good, some things are simply bad, and things like this are stunning.They dont keep punching out face lifted same old same old.Well done Sony for having a go.Expensive yes, but also an instant classic. Will be nice next to my R1.
FZ10 was contemporary to Sony F828, a camera I still have and use as a third option. The F828 came with a larger sensor and 28-200 equiv. f/2-2.8 Vario-Sonnar. The RX10 goes for 24-200 equiv f/2.8 but on a much larger sensor (4x the size of F828). It should be quite a practical camera.
YiannisPP: The only thing that could stop me from buying this is the thought that a year later they could release the RX20 with 300mm reach, constant F2.8 and only slightly bigger. Now that would be annoying!
The ten year old F828 doesn't, and it had 28-200 equiv Vario-Sonnar (f/2-2.8). The sensor on F828 was, however, much smaller.