Impulses: Uhh, no MFT cameras? I'm guessing they were left out because no new entry level bodies were released this year... Could've swore I remember MFT (GF6 or a PEN) being included in a similar roundup last year. At the same time tho, the A3000 and others here were also 2013 releases, and you can get a mid to high end GX7 or E-M10 for the price of the X-M1...
I'm not implying a conspiracy, but I would expect a conflict of interest to some degree.
That being said I guess only you would know if I'm wrong or not.
I've got my own beefs with Amazon for various crap they've pulled like blocking third-party sellers from their listings of the Sony A77 Mk II combos on Black Friday. They constantly break their own rules. That was really crappy.
I think you've got a tough call to make in a sense, I mean, we both know the A3000 is basically a piece of garbage compared to the X-M1 and E-PL7, but it's also a lot cheaper. I don't even put them in the same category, but they're the entry-level mirror-less cameras from Fuji and Oly. Sony just happens to be a much bigger operation and is cranking out fairly low-end stuff and undercutting everyone. The real question is whether it's even worth buying the junk the brands are putting out under $500. I mean with inflation, $700 is equivalent to $500 of 2008. I hate to recommend beginners to get crap.
They left out MFT because Amazon isn't paying them to promote brands that Amazon isn't paying them to promote. This site still says "dpreview" at the top and some of the staff has the same names, but it's not dpreview anymore. This is no longer an objective site (if it ever was) it's a brand shill site now and always will be. It's owned by Amazon and has no integrity whatsoever.
Wow where's Olympus??? Really, DPREVIEW?
halfwaythere: Its pretty sad that even dpr has succumbed to the " low ISO dynamic range matters above all" theory.
I think most enthusiast FF users are using these bodies for their low light, high ISO, superiority. I don't get how is the A7 recommended above the 6D since the latter has access to the most comprehensive system while the former is, basically, a cheap mirrorless camera that happens to have a FF sensor.
@zxaar, if you think being good enough for 90% of photography is fine, then great. The people who aren't willing to give up that extra 10% will get a real DSLR with a complete lens and flash system around it.
In a few more years the mirrorless cameras will have caught up.
I mean, I'm with you though, as I mention above I use OM-D E-M1 and I love it. Heck I made a 12-foot tall prints from my E-5 that is displayed permanently in public and it gets lots of compliments. Nobody ever says, "That wasn't full-frame."
All the arguments in favor of 6D vs. A7 are just as irrelevant as the arguments in favor of A7 vs. EM-1 for the same 90% of users that you mention.
That's why I personally think it's irresponsible of DPReview not to include professional cameras like the EM-1 in a round-up like this. It's technically a full-frame system (relative to M43).
It's not just startup time. It's the time required to change settings, the time required to change batteries (and the frequency with which this must be done). Believe me, I shoot an OM-D E-M1, so I live with the realities of mirrorless shooting all the time, and there are times where I find it very annoying. I've used an A7 a lot as well, and I just felt it suffers from the same annoyances as all other mirrorless cameras I've used. Changing settings like ISO has a delay to it compared to a DSLR. If you don't notice that delay, that.. interface lag.. then more power to you. But I notice it and bugs the hell out of me.
It's like the difference between using Android, and using iOS. Many people don't notice the difference in lagginess and usability.
At any rate the size and weight advantages of mirrorless are possibly a good trade-off. Lag and speed issues, along with battery life, will probably be a non-issue in a few years especially with graphene processors and sensors.
dark goob: LOL I've been duct taping and bungeeing water bottles to my stuff for years. Then I switched to beer, and my reward for finishing the shoot is to drink said beer and xfer the weight to my belly.
My ballast never shifts, dude. Ever.
LOL I've been duct taping and bungeeing water bottles to my stuff for years. Then I switched to beer, and my reward for finishing the shoot is to drink said beer and xfer the weight to my belly.
chj: "A kit with the Leica DG Summilux 15mm F1.7 ASPH lens has appeared in the UK for £950 but doesn't look to be available in the US."
I have a GM1, I love it. I also love all the improvements in the GM5; however, they are still not enough to trigger an upgrade purchase. I've also been eyeing the Leica DG Summilux 15mm F1.7 ASPH lens for some time now, but I know I'll only use it in specific situations, so it may never get purchased.
If I could get the GM5 with the 15mm, it would be an instant purchase.
It's not Panasonic's fault that the US economy is terrible. That's the Republicans' fault for putting NAFTA in place and sending all our jobs to China, then proceeding to involve us in not one but two wars, that have become three (if you consider the war on ISIS as being a direct consequence of the previous two).
BTW I know Clinton technically *signed* NAFTA but all I'm saying is that it was a Republican bill.
dgeugene1: After years of exponential advancements does anyone else have the feeling the market is flattening out? Practically any decent digital camera will make beautiful pictures in the right hands yet people are fussing over the position of a switch or a millisecond in lag time.
Yep, dgeugene1. That's why sales are down. Anyone who bought a new camera that came out since 2011 has basically got all they will ever need, until it breaks. And given the fact that the smartphone is the main snapshot camera for 99% of consumers 99% of the time, they aren't going to wear out their DSLRs anytime soon.
Plus now with the low prices they have to sell cameras for these days, you can clearly see that there is very little profit to be made selling any camera under $1000, even for the manufacturers themselves.
Nikon, Canon, and Sony want to push people to larger sensors and bigger, higher-end lenses that will still carry a decent profit margin. Meanwhile Panasonic wants to sell you a $900 compact hoping you'll pay extra for how high-tech and well-made it is.
Sadly the American consumer does not value the things that make Panasonic GM-5 stand out. If Panasonic were Apple they would have some awesome marketing behind it and feature it in their thousands of stores. But...
Serious Sam: In Australia
$900 Panasonic Lumix GM5 Kit
$1000 Nikon D7100 Kit
$798 Sony A6000 Digital SLR with 2 Lenses
You serious asking that much for a m43 when the other choice is that much better?? Someone need to give Panasonic a wake up call.
Sadly, like the term "full-frame," the term "DSLR" has become utterly divorced from its original meaning today.
Blame it on e-commerce sites like Amazon, where they already had a category called "DSLR" and didn't see fit to change the name. And Sony wants to sell the A5000 alongside Nikon D3200 in that category so they say it's a "DSLR". The consumer doesn't give a crap.
Same thing with "full-frame" which used to refer to a relationship between a lens's intended frame (what it was optimized for) and the film-frame it gets used on, or sensor-frame as the case became. Now "full-frame" just means "35mm format" to most people, because they're idiots, and don't know the meanings of words, nor care about proper usage.
All I'm saying is, don't complain about the A6000 being called a DSLR, if you're someone who also calls 35mm-format, "full-frame". Because both usages are stupid bastardizations.
If your camera hasn't turned on yet, and you miss the shot, then how much does image quality matter? So now you must keep it on all the time, which is lame because on mirrorless cameras the battery is already smaller and every second the camera is turned on uses exponentially more power than with a DSLR (with live view off).
People do care about picture quality but we are splitting hairs between most of these cameras, as you know. If you're a pro, your customer is likely much more interested that you got the right pictures, rather than infinitesimal differences in what it looks like blown up 200% in Photoshop.
6D's much longer battery life and much faster startup time, IMHO, are far more important advantages than anything to do with the actual image quality.
Because what good is a picture you didn't get, due to a dead battery or because your camera didn't "boot up" fast enough?
Where is Leica on your list? Also, why limit it to just 35mm?
Non-mirrorless ... ...
Anyone who buys ANY new camera when it first comes out and is at its highest price it will ever be, is paying "the early adopter tax."
Just wait until it's as old as A6000.
GoneMirrorless: The GM5 makes the A6000 look/feel like a DSLR. I do believe the camera is pricey and not for me but even with several prime lenses or the kit zoom it fits in pockets and is very stealthy. IIRC it has the electronic shutter option which is silent. I think it needs to be closer to what the RX100iii sells for, but maybe demand is high?
LOL. You sell something for what people will pay for it. Then you drop the price when they stop buying.
That's basic math.
RX100 has nothing to do with anything.
Adrien S: So... I totally need a body with these specs BUT A FULL-FRAME SENSOR.
On the day they release a FF body with similar specifications (and a comparatively low price!), Samsung can just take my money.
Point is I'm right. "Full frame" is a meaningless term these days. CHANGE THE LINGO. It's stupid!
Yes, it is. All the Samsung NX lenses are full frame relative to the APS-C sensor in the NX-1 body. "Full frame" defines a *relationship* between the lens and sensor, it does not define a specific size. Just because all you idiots abuse the English language and misuse this term doesn't change the meaning of the words.
I love how they never mentioned battery life, once, in this video.
It is full frame, idiot.