Cool thanks for looking at not just cameras.
DPReview has stated false information in the lead-in to this article.
They said CC allows "faster" access to updates. Wrong. CC does not allow faster access to software updates. Adobe *says* it does, but it doesn't. There is nothing about Creative Cloud that speeds up the ability of Adobe to update consumers' software.
jcmarfilph: So why no iPhone 5s? It would have been nice to see it being stomped by these cameras.
And FWIW, the nokia night shot is obviously blurry so to include it in the comparison is useless. ISOs should have been fixed to one value for a fair comparison.
Remember the 5S is not trying to be what it's not. What Nokia has done is put a high-res camera in a crappy Windows OS phone, which has nowhere near the processor speed or app selection of the iPhone 5S. Meanwhile Apple gives you by far the fastest phone with best app selection and most advanced OS, and a pretty good camera that is FAST. The 5S is a camera that a photojournalist could use; it doesn't have the high-ISO of a Nikon D3S, but, it has the speed. Personally I'd rather have an 8MP picture of the exact right moment, than a 41MP picture after the moment is gone. A lot of types of photography are much more about timing. Nokia is going to work great for a non-moving or posed subject, but then, why not just use a regular camera for that? I dunno, none of 'em's perfect.
BTW -- iOS 7 has some new APIs that will allow apps to be made that can take advantage of setting ISO, WB, and some other things, it has a gain setting in there etc. Still no aperture or shutter speed, but I think that's because it has no shutter or aperture.
Tonkotsu Ramen: hello,
will you update this article with iphone 5s results?
it feels a bit odd you guys didn't at least include an iphone 5 in this article.
The 5S is pretty similar to the 5 in my testing. But it's super FAST. The burst rate is incredible and you can just keep going. I think it's clear Apple is going after the Go Pro dollar and the mom-whose-kids-blink-alot dollar. And they are not concerned about the "person who wants to exceed the Nikon D800 in resolution with their phone" dollar. The Nokia's interesting but it's a much bigger device. I'd actually like to see Nokia just make a camera, with a Zeiss prime lens. Let Nokia do the interface and sensor for the Sony RX-200 or Fuji X200, or OM-D E-P6.
I guess you guys couldn't get your hands on a 5S. It would be nice to see a more unbiased comparison. Many of us are satisfied with 8MP for a phone. The speed of rapid-fire and length of bursts on the 5S is really nice. I'm not sure I could live with a 4-second shot recovery time like on the Nokia.
This is cool.
Hah, if any of you fools knew what is inside the E-M1 you would not be complaining. It's a bargain for 2500 Euros.
To continue my message below: you can also expect, if you buy this camera, that they will not have an API for developers to use the WiFi (like Sony does), nor any robust control interface with active software development behind it (like Canon does). They will not have any open-source firmware like Samsung does (so that when they cease development of the firmware in a year from now, you might actually be able to improve your camera if you know how to program).
I really wish Oly would bring on someone to make sure their video features, user interface, and support for third-party developers was all greatly enhanced. I would gladly pay $200 higher for this camera if it had the additional features I lamented in my first post below. But now I have to buy a GH3 if I want decent video. It makes me sick.
No fully articulating screen, no headphones jack, no uncompressed HDMI out, no way to set the focus to infinity, no 4-way controller on the vertical grip, no 24P, no high-speed video modes (120FPS, 240FPS), and no touch-to-focus while recording video. Olympus is great at making products that are simultaneously must-haves, yet still, huge let-downs, full of "if only's" that leave loyal users such as myself feeling like citizens of a third-world country where you can only expect minimal things from the society despite it being a beautiful paradise in most regards.
Here's what you can expect if you become an Olympus owner, even of their top-of-the-line products: they will only update the firmware to fix a major bug, but not to add any new features or functionality. If you email Olympus a suggestion for how to improve the firmware of your camera, they won't do it, but you'll see that improvement on the next camera they come out with. Buy a new one. Meanwhile Canon 7D is on firmware 2.x..
Awesome. I think this very well could be the first DPReview challenge win ever for an APS-format camera. Note: so-called "APS-C" digital cameras are not really APS-C format. Outside of BS marketing hype, here in the real world of hard facts and accurate information, APS-C is a subset of the Advanced Photo System film format, and the dimensions of the APS-C frame equal 25.1 × 16.7 mm. No digital camera has ever been made with an APS-C format sensor. Liars call 23.7 x 15.7 mm "APS-C" but they are liars.
I'm beginning work on my app now. I can't tell you what it does yet, but let me say, you're gonna love this!
Why oly cant has?
They're breathing the smoke that's the industrial byproduct of the manufacturing of the very camera they are using to avoid taking a picture with that byproduct in it. That's like an ironic enigma, wrapped in the matrix, folded up in a house of mirrors by Nietczhe, Marx, and Kant, and then placed inside a burrito that was fed to Ronald Reagan and crapped out into a toilet made out of the graphs that Ross Perot used to draw.
I'd expect that from rushlimbaugh.com but Wired.com? Srsly?
Yawn more comments from fandroids.
Emperor's New Clothes.
Ever heard of that story?
Because these pictures are garbage!
And... this is why you should ALWAYS get a Mack Diamond Warranty.
justmeMN: In the USA, Olympus mirrorless is still an obscure product line, with little brand awareness, little advertising, and little retail shelf space. They don't seem to have much of a future here.
Yeah, the US economy is a piece of garbage. Unless you're a rich a-hole. Then it's awesome. But for regular people everything is over-priced now. This is due to the fact that idiots run our country.
mediasorcerer: Olympus will be fine, the next omd will put them in a better position soon enough.Part of me hopes they will create a csc with ff sensor at some stage of the game, or fixed zoom ff rangefinder style, it's the next logical step, and an area they are not covering, that badly needs some competition.hey, im allowed to dream.
FF sake, the OM-D is full-frame. You people need to learn the meaning of language. They don't have to make a 4"x5" camera for it to be usable for pro photography.
kaiser soze: When I first read about the Nikon 1 cameras, my assumption was that they would be priced far lower than other mirrorless cameras with much larger sensors. Then at some point I was aware that the pricing was not much lower, if any lower at all. I scratched my head, because it obviously did not make sense. And it is obvious that lots of other people had the same reaction, asking how that could possibly make any sense. Why did something that did not make any sense to lots of people nevertheless seem to make sense to the executives at Nikon? It reminds me of how time and again it is easy to observe that the top level executives of many large corporations are screw-ups. In the U.S. auto industry this is more the norm than the exception. But they get paid tens of millions of dollars per year, for being major screw-ups. If Nikon knew that they could not make the camera more affordable, they should not have bothered to make it. Dumb.
Note they said they are still makin profit. The cameras surely cost less to make, so, sell em at the same price as a DSLR and double your margin! I'm sure it sounded like a good idea at the time.
But there is only so many times the sales guy will recommend a camera that keeps getting returned due to being a Nikon 1.