So where are all the Windows fanboys saying they copied surface?
This is much more like Surface than the iPad Pro, which is a completely different product category. Yet no fanboys... still some Apple haters though, I see.
Sigh. At least be consistent.
/me checks calendarcalendar says 4/1/2016DAMNIT WHO SET MY CALENDAR TO EUROPEAN STYLE WITH DAY OF MONTH FIRST
I SENT OUT THE APRIL FOOLS PRESS RELEASE EARLY ON ACCIDENT!!
Thuravi Kumaaran: Even though all the Nations put an over coat named Globalization, most of them have secret agendas to promote their own products or getting more benefits from the other country made products, except the third world countries.
So the recent hidden flow of support for Apple might have damaged Samsung.
Samsung doesn’t have the marketing technique (Boosting, saying lies, giving good commission, etc.) which Sony has.
Steve Job’s Apple is supposed to be an innovative company, but the bitten apple symbol denotes the force behind it. Why this duality. Better they change the negative symbol to a positive symbol Apple or change the name as Bitten Apple
LOL, if it weren't for Apple we'd all be using DOS on phones with little keyboards and still buying music on CD. Be thankful
CosminMunteanu: In the eventuality Samsung exits the camera business, it will bring of course less options for customers. Less competition is never good :-( (obviously) Unfortunately so many camera, lens and "sensor" makers like in the '70 and early '80 we won't see any time soon :-( (Nikon, Pentax, Canon, Minolta, Olympus, Leica (expensive but not so expensive as today), Konica, Petri, Miranda (not the Cosina made ;-)), Mamiya (35mm), Topcon, Fujica, Chinon, Ricoh, Cosina & the russian ones. Concerning the sensors: Agfa, Fujifilm, Kodak, Ferania, Ilford, Fomapan, etc.
Don't forget Apple
///M: A few problems: iPad screens are way off in calibration, forget editing photos with critical color management, will be great for editing for Instagram. Try managing files with iOS, total PIA. iPads and iOS were designed for content consumption, not creation, at least not in any way resembling efficiency. Nice e-reader, video playback, game playing device though.
Superfly, Surface Pro is totally irrelevant to iPad, they are utterly different categories of device. Surface is a PC laptop without a keyboard running Windows with all its non-touch-optimized software that's not optimized for battery life. iPad is a tablet running ONLY touch-optimized software that IS optimized for battery life.
Surface (and all the touch-screen PC laptopy tablety things) are competitors to MacBook, not iPad. The fact that they added touch to these devices like Surface was because Microsoft is incapable of creating a true touch-based system like iOS.
justmeMN: In contrast, Microsoft states that with their Surface Pro 3 "Install your favorite Windows desktop software, including the entire Microsoft Office Suite and Adobe® Photoshop®."
LOL, don't you understand? Surface is just a touchscreen PC laptop without a keyboard. It's not an iPad competitor. Why do Windows people always think Surface is somehow a competitor to iPad?
shutterbobby: Hmm have a Samsung Note pro 12.1'' with pen & 128GB memory for $600 the last 2 yrs ..& this is news??!!
abortabort- I said "that runs a secure operating system." Surface Pro runs Windows. Just because it has a touch screen and lacks a keyboard does not make using Surface an iPad-like experience. Watch some reviews of Surface, on YouTube, and see what it's really like to use. LOL.
dark goob: It has FANS inside it? FANS? In a tablet? WTƒ?
I'm mystified. This is supposed to compete with iPad somehow?
I'd be surprised if it survived for a year. It's not even solid state! It has moving parts INSIDE! FANS! lolol
HowaboutRAW is wrong about glue. At least when it comes to the structure of the machine, on MacBook Pro no glue is used whatsoever. One of its primary advantages is its unibody construction. Its main body is literally a single piece of metal plus a single flat bottom cover. They are tanks. I've disassembled several of them.
All logic boards, on the other hand, probably have some kind of glue somewhere; I'm no expert, but I think all microchips are glued together inside.
There are very few lemon Macs, but it does happen. No platform is free from such things. I had one lemon Mac, which was actually NVIDIA's fault because they made the defective GPUs (8600M series).
Other than that, for me, my Macs have been rock solid. My 2009 Mac Pro has been turned on almost continuously for 6 years and never crashed once. My 2012 MacBook Pro has also been rock solid, and I dropped it, twice. No problems whatsoever.
If you still have a problem with a Mac I'd be glad to help. PM me.
iPad and MacBook do not have fans.
MacBook Pro and Air do have fans.
I think fans are fine in a notebook... but in a tablet? Are you kidding me? I guess I just don't understand, but OK, whatever.
I'm not saying Surface is a terrible product, I'm just saying it is not in the same product category as iPad. And I do not think Microsoft meant it to be.
I am glad Microsoft is trying to innovate and do some thing good. I'm really happy with my XBOX One, and I like how Microsoft's "Office" line of products works on all platforms.
Greg Lovern: 3:2 aspect ratio again. I’m looking forward to that aspect ratio spreading to more laptops. 3:2 comes out to roughly 16:11, about 20% taller than the 16:9 of most laptops today.
I prefer 4:3. But then again, I shoot Olympus :D
Antonlm: Serious price but serious tablet.
Yes but a MacBook Air doesn't run require you to run Windows. Also a MacBook Air has vastly superior build quality and much more secure and private operating system. And it has PCIe-based flash storage, which is much faster.
I guess I am fine with it if people like you don't understand or appreciate the reasons why so many people left PC in the first place, or why those of us who started on Mac in 1984 still prefer OS X and never saw a reason to switch.
But I guarantee you if I buy a MacBook Air today, in 3 years I can sell it on craigslist and get a lot more for it than I would get out of any other brand of computer after the same amount of time. That's what I typically do, buy a new one every 2 or 3 years, and it's treated me very well.
Lan: I look forward to reviews showing well (or otherwise) this can perform image editing tasks in Photoshop.
Of particular interest would be the ability to calibrate the screen; so it would be nice to see the Delta-E numbers too.
On the whole, it looks like it could be an excellent device!
Eiffel- the question I have is why would you want it instead of a laptop? All the software is Windows based, so very little of it is particularly touch-optimized. You're forced to do everything with a stylus then?
Seriously watch this video review of the 3, which is from a professional artist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgfzm1g3lv4
He concludes that the Surface Pro 3 was a decent replacement for a Wacom Cintiq. He found that he needed a mouse and keyboard attached to really get much use out of it.
I kind of feel like Surface is where you are going to be taking certain files to do the kind of specialized retouching work that a pressure-sensitive stylus is best for (airbrushing models and the like, I guess?). Then do your color correction back on a PC with a calibrated monitor.
If you want to do this in the full Photoshop I could see why Surface would be nice, just don't see how it would replace what I do with an iPad. Good Cintiq replacement though.
Biowizard: Have the fixed the happy-snappy, break-off kickstand yet? The one that "cannot be replaced"? All that money resting (literally) on a couple of flimsy pins puts me right off.
Biowizard: no they haven't.
nerd2: Nice tablet but simply priced wrong. I need minimum 8GB ram and 256GB storage for any productivity tasks and they charge $300 premium for that? No thanks.
And the surface book costs even more, $1699 for 8GB/256GB configuration... I thought apple pricing was terrible and MS one is worse.
nerd2—The difference is that Apple costs a lot, but it also has a very high resale value.
With this junk, you buy it and it's worth nothing in a couple of years.
Dirk Nuary: 16GB RAM, really?
I wonder if they've fixed the issue with the Pro 3 where the glue would melt and it slowly comes apart on you. (Yeah, they're glued together inside. Cough.)
I also wonder if they solved all the overheating issues. I noticed they put a bunch of fans inside this thing. That's ... interesting. Not sure how I feel about an i7 chip in a thing that thin, with those thin little fans.
What happens if you put it in a protective case? Does it have to have fan vents? What if it traps in too much heat? O.o
I'm sure it's fine with the low-end processor but I think with an i7, I'd prefer to have an actual laptop at that point. The idea of Photosohp with a tablet interface is intriguing for sure, but doesn't that version of Photoshop require a pointing device? Like if you don't have the stylus and keyboard then can it be used with just a finger? Are the controls going to be pretty microscopic to work with on the screen using that little stylus?
I thought Surface was for students and offices.
Michael Ma: I hate the fact that you can get 1TB on the Surface Pro 4, but only 512GB on the Surface Book which is arguably more Pro that would require more storage space. C'mon Microsoft, always giving me a reason to hold off on my purchase. I waited a year to get 16GB RAM on it. Now another reason to wait. See you next year...maybe.
photo_rb—I've installed and configured more Windows PCs, kiosks, and industrial equipment at the enterprise level than most people have probably seen, total, in their entire lives. I know Windows like the back of my hand...
... which is why I can't understand the appeal of Surface, except to a very narrow niche. I'd honestly like to know what your use-case scenario for it is. What do you do with a Surface? Why is it better to do it on a surface than, say, a top-end Dell Precision laptop? Or a Samsung Galaxy Tab 12.2? Etc.?
I would never configure 1700 airline ticketing kiosks using Android or iOS. Maybe linux, but I prefer Windows for kiosks.
But guys, Surface runs Windows. Why is that good? Why would that remotely put it in the same product category as iPad, which runs a mobile-centric, purely touch-based OS optimized 100% for tablet use?
I get that Microsoft is trying to do something different enough from iPad to appeal to people that iPad does not appeal to. I just wonder who.
photogeek: $2700 for a "loaded" config on that Surface Book. Good luck with that. Microsoft clientele is not _that_ well heeled, by and large. It mostly consists of folks who go "the best I can do is a hundred bucks". By way of comparison, a Core i7 15" (!) MacBook Pro with the same amount of RAM and SSD is $200 less.
And that's even before you consider the issue of Apple updating their pro lineup to Skylake CPUs sometime later this year.
Surface Pro is also fine for those people who are just tech consumers, who just buy gadgets to screw around with them.
If all you're gonna do is watch DerpTube, send derp mails, derp around on the intarwebz, and play Derpy Bird, Clash of Derps, Derp Crush, etc., then honestly, what difference does the brand of your product make? Why would you need something as advanced as iPad just for that? Surface is fine.
The only real advantage of Apple at that point is the higher resale value later and the much more secure and private operating system.
But what can you do? There are so many derptastic people out there. That's why we have Republicans. Many of the derptastic hoards hate Apple out of an irrational inbred stupidity that daddy beat into them. Not because reasons or anything.
And of course they will not have read about the privacy problems of Windows 10, which are freaking terrifying. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3feqsr/4chan_sums_up_windows_10s_privacy_settings/
That being said, I don't want to sound entirely against Microsoft. I applaud them for at least TRYING.
I'm sure for certain people the Surface makes a lot of sense. For example if I was an art student on a budget, and I knew I'd need a computer to run Blender or Maya for 3D design, and the full version of Adobe CS for my other classes, the Surface Pro would seem very attractive because now you don't have to go out and get yourself a Wacom tablet separately.
So there is a market for cash-strapped students here. Frankly kids in that situation should not be buying a top-end laptop + tablet solution. They should settle for a hybrid device that's a little of both and just be happy.
Vanitas, don't delude yourself. The Surface Book is not going to put even a small dent in sales of premium workstation laptops by companies like Dell, HP, or Apple.
If people want a tablet, they're going to use an iPad so they don't have to worry about a keyboard. The whole POINT of a tablet is that you do not need a keyboard flapping around everywhere; you don't have to set it up on a table, whip out a pen, and assemble a contraption to use it. That's the point of an iPad.
Meanwhile for an actual laptop people want something that is not flimsy, so you can, y'know, PUT IT IN YOUR LAP. The Surface is a flimsy unbalanced thing leaning on one leg with a plasticky, flimsy keyboard that they make you stick on with magnets! Real stable there.
Apple is in no way shape or form trying to catch up with Microsoft. They are mildly amused by this most recent wave of devices, which will pass once again back into obscurity as soon as this very false hype dies down again. I.e. by Friday.
Nick932: It seems that my iPad will rest for a while. I love it. Thanks Microsoft
Have you actually USED a Surface? What do you actually use your iPad for? I'm honestly curious.
To me the Surface looks more like a competitor against the MacBook Air than anything else. It does not strike me as very much like an iPad at all, software wise. Yeah, the hardware °looks° like an iPad... but then you turn it on... and try to use it.. and you quickly realize... oh. I'm using Windows... with my finger. LOL.
Then quickly you grab for a keyboard and trackpad.
The reviews I've read of the Surface Pro 3 pretty much summed it up like this: if you're not at a table that can support the keyboard, it's useless. Maybe the new 4 has a solid enough keyboard to actually be able to sit on your lap, but the kickstand part doesn't look any different. So I dunno.
Nice to have a touch screen windows tablet thingy for certain uses, I'm sure, but lets not confuse it with iPad, a completely different category of device, software wise. Which is the point of iPad. A point MS does not get.