Dang it, I figured the ergonomics of the X20 and a 1" sensor would nail it - So have waited since January to pull the trigger on a X30, new-launch premium be damned. Now we get the same sensor and lens, but Bigger (and frankly uglier) body - What??
In a marketplace where Sony has managed a small quality zoom lens on the RX100III, and Panasonic's managed a compact body with the GM1, our expectations have naturally shifted in terms of body/lens specs - This X30 really seems to have been designed in a competitive vacuum.
bigstu: No hot shoe/acc.mnt. (pop-up only 4m?), no viewfinder, no mic socket, no speaker (AT ALL??) - No audience, no sales. Why did they bother? I hope they write to purchasers of a NEX-5T in the last 3 months to apologise. So much for 24MP++ NEX-7 successor rumours. a7 & a7R are too expensive to find a market and this is too under spec'ed to find a market either. Any person keen enough to gather a few primes will out grow this camera almost immediately and the needs of those that don't are better met by the latest Super zooms w Zeiss guts. Bad product overlap. Sony don't need directors in charge of camera types who think success is expanding their range to impractical uses, they need directors of market segments delivering the best products with greatest practicality and value. Proof of this is the way the recent dpReview shootouts were structured. C'mon Sony, give me something to buy!
Totally the 3n successor - Saw the article and said to self, Hang On, that's my dinky 3n, which of course at the time was billed as "the smallest interchangeable lens camera w APSC sensor" - Now add "...with wifi and nfc". Their refresh rate seems to have stepped up, I bought the newly launched 3n in March '13.
bikebum: finally a mirrorless camera with all the check boxes I've been waiting for: -built in flash-evf compatible -sweep panorama (why panasonic won't include this is beyond me)-tilting lcd (again, shame on panasonic for purposely omitting this from the gx1 so as not to cannibalize video-friendly g series sales)-relatively affordable price
only thing missing is compact lens, on which I'm willing to take my chances that will roll out sooner or laterthanks sony!
As the owner of two csc systems, dare I say those people asking for small firm-factor + aps-c sensor + articulating screen + built-in evf + built-in flash + reasonable lens line up....should look at the Samsung nx20? Have the nx10 and it's a quality item.
Greg Henry: VGA Front Camera?
Seriously? With all of the nice improvements to the device, and then to add a retina display, but keep a 640x480 VGA camera on the front for Facetime chats? Wow. No... "Duh".
Everybody pretty much looks terrible on video chat, esp if you think most people hold the unit lower than the face, so the camera's pointing up at your chin(s), and your face is tilted down...So VGA is in a practical sense more than enough resolution TYVM.
I'm not an Apple apologist (happily use my PlayBook except for the hi-res front-facing cam of course!) but some technology is just overkill.
What great shots! And pretty ok with the whole non-interchangeable zoom lens things too. Not a fanatic about these things just loving my CSC with a pancake lens, Love the idea of the CONVENIENCE of this Canon w a pancake sized lens at rest that stretches out to a fair usable zoom, as and when required.
George Veltchev: Now .....anyone willing to go for the New Nikon J1 and V1 cameras ...or in fact any other cameras of this size ?? WOW ...WOW ...WOW
I guess pricing on the J1 and some discounting will keep it safe, but yeah the V1 w the kit lens is only a whisper behind this (or the same once you buy the flash), and more expensive w the twin kit.
Very impressive! I'm really liking what Canon are doing with this model.
At iso3200? Impressed!
What's with Panasonic deciding what models get Mega OIS and which ones get Power OIS? Surely at least the SZ7 has a high-end enough specification to give it Power OIS?
The 850F looks like a Sony HX9, probably intentional to help consumers make instore side-by-side comparisons, in which case the Samsung on paper trumps the Sony on just about every score. Naturally the great unknowns are the a)Price (who wants to bet c£300 when launched?)b)Picture Quality.
Impressed by the Huge reach of the zoom, the extra little bit at wide (Is 23 the new 24?) and the really fast f2.8 (for the lens) at wide.
ishu: 1. For the compact camera user, the sensor is bigger, not smaller. 2. For the compact camera user, this camera is screamingly fast. 3. There are many more compact users to "upgrade" than DSLR users to "downgrade." 4. Whether this market realizes the value of the CX remains to be seen.
If CX delivers as promised, the fast response closes an enormous performance gap between the "highest-end" compacts vs. "lowest-end" DSLRs. That alone could make Nikon CX the choice of soccer moms because it offers something you can't get on any other "approachable" (not "affordable") camera.
Then consider affordable high-magnification low-light lenses like the new $250 50mm f/1.8 DX (think school performances, high school sports; see a trend?) and I would buy one for my wife, whose bridge camera is "too slow." Notably, she's never wanted to get the "out-of-focus-background thing" known by the DPR crowd as shallow DOF.
"Oh, and for low light, CX can offer 135mm equiv at f/1.8 for reasonable money. To get that on APS-C will cost more than a CX system--for the lens. Even a slower f/2.8 will be $500 or so. The Oly XZ1 is one stop slower f/2.5@112mm equiv. with a smaller sensor."
Is a "soccer mom" going to bother to understand the type of arguments put forward quoted above, consider and buy different lenses, or is she going to stick with the (slow) kit as 'good enough'...or more likely buy a bridge camera that has 10fps shooting and purports (truthfully or not) to be "ideal for sports photography", w huge range lens and half the cost.
Who knows? Let's see what happens in 6 months, when we get an idea of stock on the high-street, which way prices are going, and inevitably, what other manufacturers are doing in reaction.
I'm fascinated w the idea of the 1, like the size, like the tech, even like the industrial design which to me won't date. But app I'm not the target market for this thing.
Gorpalm: As its all a roiling sea of speculation right now about the "why" and "wherefores" of developing this size, I'd like to add my 2cents - Firstly well done Nikon for upping the ante for all.
Their decision seems very marketing and sales platform led - producing a distinctive a category as possible to minimise PRIMARY-choice cannibalism of sales from their compacts (Potential purchasers of even top-end compact models would likely see the J1/V1 as too expensive, at least at launch), and their DSLRs (potential downgraders would see it as a step too far in terms of potential IQ, camera control, bokeh capability etc).
Yet its a great Second choice for Nikon fans taking the next step up from their compacts, or back-up "carry-anywhere" alternative to big DSLRs. And it opens up the arena of customers considering mirrorless whatever the brand - Olympus must be bracing for a fight w their mft models when prices settle, and on-the-fringes models like Samsung NX/Pentax Q? Forgeddabouddit.
"We'll see if Nikon gets any benefit from this release, which amounts to a business strategy ploy, rather than solving customers' problems."
Too true - I'd expect Nikon customers to benefit from this release...eventually. I'd expect a lot of the innovations from the 1 to percolate through the Nikon range in one form or another, eventually. And of course some of the more popular will 'inspire' other companies to bring out their own variations of the tech.
Jeez, they allegedly only targeting compact users with a camera that costs double/triple of a premium compact but produces the same kind of results? Lovely.
Buying an ILC I would want/expect shallow DoF in the above result.
Ok the high-ISO shots of the Nikon are pretty good, but anybody seen what advances have been made in high ISO performance w compact cameras recently? Will a compact user (remember, these are the people they say they are targeting) care more about high-ISO performance than the price-tag?
Funny WB could be ambient lighting causing mayhem though, great 3200 results, like very much - would be interesting to see how large areas of black background deal w 3200, see if any mottling starts to show...
"For now, the company will focus on compact camera users as the target for its mirrorless cameras...Nikon, he says sees 'much greater potential' at the lower end of the market."
But they ain't going to pay what you're asking for Mr Suzuki! Glad he thinks £600-900 is money a compact upgrader would be cool to cough up for, since c£400 seems to be the current lower-end (and 1st gen mirrorless which starts sub £300). They're going to go to Oly/Pany/Sony for similar size body/bigger sensor (which the shop assistants are going to recommend) and either cheaper at it or better value for the same cash, to boot.
And you've got tech that might appeal to enthusiasts who might pay those prices but sensor size, dial and menu design designed to leave them cold. Interesting first effort, I'd expect to see a lot of the cooler tech enhanced and expanded in future models, and the quirkier decisions (eg four auto-type modes on a dial that can fit maybe 6 more modes, anyone?) to go by the wayside...
As its all a roiling sea of speculation right now about the "why" and "wherefores" of developing this size, I'd like to add my 2cents - Firstly well done Nikon for upping the ante for all.
Oh Jeez just looked again at the photo at the top of the press release - THERE's the white one...
Cute, and looking through Pentax goggles, it Kind of makes sense...for them...They have some nice looking, slightly quirky designed p&s's around. And make no bones about it, you're paying $800 for a p&s.
Ohoh and if they can't afford to develop a '3rd front' to their offerings ie P&S, DSLR, & MILC, they might have figured this was the only way to go - Make the lenses interchangeable, shove up the price to kingdom come so people looking at a X100/some sort of Leica, or Sony/Olympus/Panny/Samsung MILC or at a stretch G12/LX5/XZ1 etc cast their eye over this too, and hope for showroom appeal and a cult fashionista following. I'm surprised they haven't launched a white one at the same time for the ladeez.