Why all the talk of Samsung ditching the camera business. As far as I can tell, this article only says they are taking one camera out of one regional market. Not sure how to get from a to f on that one.
Rob: What Sony needs to improve more than anything else are the egregious ergonomic issues, not image quality issues. The menu system is a confusing mess, the customizable buttons missing very important options (such as Super 35 mode, video modes), the M1-M4 custom settings stored only on SD card thus will get erased when you reformat the cards, the lack of orientation-linked AF points or direct control over AF points, the lack of touchscreen for instant AF point selection and/or firing shutter--all of those are far more important--at least for me.
Pentax Ricoh did a good job on the gr.
justmeMN: It's about time that DPR had an article about a Sony camera. You have been completely ignoring that brand. :-)
Yes. They have been all over the Nikon d400 and d620 bodies that just came out. I thought they would never shut up about it.
ttran88: Let me guess who wins the next round up of $2000+ high end cameras, Canon 5Ds/R?
True. I would feel pretty stupid shooting weddings with a 40mp smart phone if there was a 50mp option.
Jim Forever: Really surprised to not see Nikon D610 included in the winners!!! The best affordable FF at the price of an APS-C!!!! Simply the best IQ which beats canon/Fuji etc high end FF/APS-C cams!! Amazing low light performance excellent lens selection. Wonder how Samsung has even featured here?:)
I don't think they "want you to think anything". But they are a major internet news and review outlet and mirrorless are the hot thing right now. DSLR are pretty boring by comparison. New models are mostly just evolutionary. But to me, at the present moment, DSLR are still a better tool for stills photography.
Daniel Lauring: Dpreview needs to rewrite the Samsung NX1 portion with the HUGE caveat that Samsung has abandoned their camera program and there is no future lenses or suipport.
I agree that the signs are not pointing in a good direction. But Samsung has made no statement saying they are exiting the business. I have no Samsung equipment, but if I found an nx1 on firesale I could be tempted.
PerL: Apparently the system does not mean much or anything in these comparisons. How can the system camera Sony A7 II be considered a better choice than the system cameras Nikon D610 or Canon 6D?And "best overall" when DPReviews user report showed how much the Sony EVF/AF system lags traditional DSLRs in the field for action shooting?
If you are buying a body in this price range, the great likelihood is that you are not a beginner and you probably know how and what you shoot. So, if you need a DSLR AF system, you probably know it. If you are shooting portrait or landscape, by all means, get a mirror less system that can provide a higher level of focus accuracy. My guess is that many people in this price range do shoot moving subjects. But I am just guessing.
Richard - you and the drp staff certainly have a tough task here. NP way to make everyone happy with test parameters. But, in this price range at least, it seems the dslrs have a better focus system for most people most of the time. If you take it up a price level, then yes the a7rII has the new super bad (in a good way) af system. But if we limit ourselves to this range I think the canikon DSLRs probably are superior. Which I think is why there are lots of grumblings here.
I think Nokia had a 40+mp smart phone. Probably in the same league as the canon product.
I would totally agree except there is the small inconvenience that your statement isn't true.
ybizzle: The 7DII (which I own) is perhaps the most versatile of the bunch. You get the best AF performance, weather sealing, and frame rate while giving up a tad in the IQ dept and high ISO performance. For me it was a no brainer as I don't pixel peep and it is mainly used for club photography with flash so fast low light AF was key. It will also come in handy for my sports shoots! ;)
Agreed. The IQ differences between these cams are slight compared to AF differences. And in af, 7dmkII murders all contenders here pretty easily.
I meant A7rmkII.
Uh, you are joking right? You know the winner will be the A7II, right? Followed closely by the A7sII.
My thoughts exactly.
CheersUK: I can't believe that DPR are seriously pushing the Samsung as a camera to buy, with so many question marks hanging over its future. Its a great camera, but if you're going to recommend it, at least do it with reservations outlined.
Yes, I am aware. And that still does not mean the nx1 is discontinued.
The Canikon Colossus: HAHA! Nikon got Shut Out!
Yes, and most Nikon cameras have a built in software switch that cripples them when they lose a DPR challenge or cross product review. This crippling makes them almost as bad as the cameras that were the winners here.
Nathan8: My camera didn't win...
*hides in the corner and cries*
Mine stopped working and the noise performance got worse. I am sueing DPR.
brownie314: Hard to understand how the d610 didn't win in this group. Sure, no WiFi (built in anyway), and video AF sucks, but for thinhs that matter to stills photographers (taking good images) this thing rocks. Makes everything else look stupid or broken. This is still a photography website right?
Yes, I have noticed very pleasing colors from those cameras before. There does seem to be something special about them. They are a little long in the tooth in terms of noise performance, but the colors are really something special.
Combatmedic870: If I were in the market to buy into a new mirrorless system right now. I would go with Fuji(like I did). They have by FAR the best lens line up. New bodies will come. Just like they always do. They is just no way to overlook their superior lens line up. They have nearly everything you could want except super telephoto(which is coming next year). Right now 12-230mm soon to be 12-400mm.
2016 will be a good Fuji year. New XPro, XT and XE models.
It has to be mirror less? To me, I don't care what goes on inside the box. The results are what matter.
Wow. Still on an old 5d. Impressive that it is still running.