brownie314: So, if the d7200 scored a dxo 87, then this one might be the first crop sensor to break the dxo 90 mark? Today's crop sensors are now much better than the ff sensors of say, the d700 era. So, with the d500 now here, there really isn't a huge need for ff any more. There used to be a noticeable gap between ff and aps-c - that gap, for all practical purposes, is now closed.
True. If your creativity is dependent on melting away unsightly backgrounds then ff is the only way to go.
Truebar: When I look at RAW 6400 and compare it to Canon Mk iii, I see that Canon has better render.
Render - is that a meat processing thing?
So, if the d7200 scored a dxo 87, then this one might be the first crop sensor to break the dxo 90 mark? Today's crop sensors are now much better than the ff sensors of say, the d700 era. So, with the d500 now here, there really isn't a huge need for ff any more. There used to be a noticeable gap between ff and aps-c - that gap, for all practical purposes, is now closed.
PaulDavis: Picked this body up along with the 35f2, 90f2, and 16f1.4 today. I have been a long time Sony fanboy and shoot the A7 with most of the FE lenses. I bought the Fuji as a second system to use. I went with Fuji because of the great lens selection, sizes, and prices. Plus the camera puts all the controls at your finger tips. It has only been one day but I feel like selling all my sony gear and going all out fuji. I need to wait for the honeymoon period to end but dang, this is a great camera to shoot with. My only gripe is that it is so small and has almost no finger grip so the 90mm makes your wrist and fingers tired only after a short time. I ordered the fuji grip for it so hopefully that helps. I see an x-t2 in my future.
Any followup thoughts on xt10 vs ff Sony? IQ , body controls, handling, AF speed?
So....d500, the DLs - will there be a wireless unit to bring in older cameras?
Should have put in the hybrid viewfinder. Then could have been a digital canonette. As it is, pretty good. But anyone who wanted this style of camera probably already bought either the Ricoh or CpA.
Retro1976: I don't know why there is so much hype over the Sony A series bodies and lenses. Look at these samples: The rich color, skin tones, contrast and detail - the images are lovely, superb. Sony doesn't come close to Canon in this regard, and yet time and time again people talk about the superiority of Sony sensors, yet my eyes don't see it.
Yes, colors are nice. Skin tones - unless a lot of these people are blue - I don't think they are that good.
I have been tempted several times to buy a NX-m just so I always have something better than a cell phone on me. But the lack of any good lens options are keeping me away. I don't really care that it is discontinued - I didn't intend to turn it into a system. Just a few good lenses and hope it lasts at least 3 years. But no can do with the dark zooms. I would rather buy a RX100 iii.
borisu: Professional equipment for professional use in extreme conditions. And the interview is very focused and informative.
Right. Couldn't remember his far up it was. Or even a sense of scale.
Not sure how "extreme" the environmental conditions are. No gravity, purified air, controlled temperature. The only thing really extreme about it is that getting a replacement is quite a long process. Nearest repair center about 10 miles away - straight down.
"Colors lean toward neutral and yellows take on a greenish cast, which can lead to undesirable skin tones."
This is what I have found with Panasonic cameras as well. Colors are not nearly as nice as canon or even Nikon. Both of those companies work hard to deliver natural looking skin tones and colors. Panasonic looks a little like technicolor.
brownie314: I just bought a g7. After shooting DSLR for years, this little wonder is amazing. But now the gx80 comes along. The ibis would be very handy for shooting old manual lenses handheld. Hmmmm.
Does anyone have a problem with shutter shock? If so, under what conditions? I have been shooting a g7 for about a week and as far as I know, haven't seen any I'll effects from using shutter speeds that should be in the "danger zone".
I just bought a g7. After shooting DSLR for years, this little wonder is amazing. But now the gx80 comes along. The ibis would be very handy for shooting old manual lenses handheld. Hmmmm.
TheDarmok74: Finally a camera with 5-axis IBIS and hopefully no shutter shock issues.BUT the 16 MP sensor, as good as it may be, is now 4 years old. It would be time to let it die. And the new model is not that cheap either, it would have deserved the latest sensor technology.
16mp is an old resolution. Doesn't mean this is an old sensor. And BTW 16 mp is still more than most people need.
This is the right thing to do. Sony needed this lower cost prime. Now the a7 series is much more appealing to me. Because at the time I purchase a body and kit kens it is a no brainer to pick up this prime. And I dislike have any ilc system that I don't have at least one prime for.
"The two devices offer nearly the same quality of image as we can see in these 100 percent crops."
Not even close. The s120 is destroying the lumia. Look at overall image, or pixel peep - either way the canon wins big.
riyanto ong: At a glance, this camera is like a Nikon 1 V2 with articulated LCD display and non-interchangeable lens ..... :)
Yes, but...the sensor in the V2 is atrocious. Any newer BSI sony 1" sensor is going to give you WAY better results - especially with a much better lens.
rhlpetrus: No miracles, as many, including me, were predicting. As Homer once said, famously, when Margie wanted to build a moto perpetuo for the school's science project, "In this house we obey the Laws of Physics". It seems that many in these fora think otherwise.
I am pretty sure that was Lisa that wanted to build the perpetual motion machine.
brownie314: Can't wait for sensors like this to get into more affordable bodies. It would mean not having to carry huge lenses to get indoor images. Could use f/4 lenses for almost everything.
I think that is my point - with a sensor like this I could use f4 lenses for almost everything I do and not be a pointillist. Or did you understand me to mean something else?