Do any of these phone cameras now matter since the Panasonic CM1 is here.
ecube: This might just replace my Nikon D5100 walk-about everyday camera. Not that it matters, 16MP is sufficient for me, however, I am confused by the so called 40 MP. I'm lazy to read the complete write-up.
I am aware but am not bothered about my Nikon lenses and dedicated flash is not compatible with Oly. I'll give my D5100 and DX lenses to my daughter and keep my D800, FX lenses and dedicated flash.
I have always admire "the camera" of Yoshihisa Maitani, the chief architect for the OM1. Brilliant visionary.
@Bhima78I have seen D610 go pretty cheaply. And yeah, some FF lenses are pretty expensive. But you can get a Tamron 24-75? VC f/2.8 for around $1000. And I am pretty sure that combo will sink this oly pretty quick. But yes, there are portability issues too.
thx1138: Nice enough video but we have zero proof of the tracking ability. What is the keeper rate, where are the 100% crops of the full size RAWs? Show me those and I would be far more impressed if it really can deliver consistently. Anybody can get a a sharp shot now and then, but what about 95% keeper rate and by that I mean critically sharp at 100% view.
However, the lack of EVF and the small size are a total turn off for me especially when hanging large glass off the camera. Heck we might as just well integrate the sensor into the lens, the body is so small as to be useless. Menu driven control is a total joke for a serious action camera and is bad enough for general walk about shooting.
Eleson - exactly. I have seen so many people here complain about people who compose and take images with rear LCD. To me using rear LCD makes a lot of sense in certain situations. For instance - wide angle photography - sometimes camera is either very low or very high - I don't want to lay on the ground or get on a ladder to look through view finder. So rear LCD makes a lot of sense. But you will still get people here who see a rear LCD as the devils best friend.
It does have an evf. But yeah - I agree - this wasn't a good test of the AF abilities. They are shooting at subjects moving mostly in two dimensions and with a large DOF. I want to see shallow DOF and subject moving up, down, and back and forward. Then we can say we had a real test.
ecube - nah - its OK. It seems you already have the IQ part covered. So if you like to spend money on a still good, but very small system, then go ahead. Probably still a good buy.
Only problem is that you will spend almost as much as a new FF system on this camera and lens.
brownie314: So, this CP+ is so boring that dpreview are searching for junk cut in half at the show? Worst - CP+ - Ever.
Well, I think going in search of things cut in half is a good idea - especially for a photographer because they should make very interesting subjects. I was commenting more on the lack of productivity from the major manufacturers.
So, this CP+ is so boring that dpreview are searching for junk cut in half at the show? Worst - CP+ - Ever.
bronxbombers4: Personally I prefer a full-size, real deal DSLR for everything I can, otherwise I want something truly hideaway, pocketable, like a Sony RX100. Anything larger than that and it defeats the purpose of small size. If it can't fit in a pocket and totally hide away and not be a bother then what is the point as far as I am concerned. None of this intermediate stuff does anything for me. I either want the full speed and performance and everything of a DSLR or the completely you don't even know it's on you-ness of a P&S.
OK - great. Glad you found what you like.
Dr_Jon: Does Canon really need to go anywhere soon? Basically everyone is losing money selling mirrorless cameras so why would they rush into the market? Making money is their ninja business skill, not losing it. Surely at a minimum it's better to see if there are any niches where you can make money and stick to those for now. I suspect cellphone and compact camera upgraders plus EF lens owners are what they picked BTW. Also the EF adapter doesn't seem hard to get as far as I can see, plus a lot of the EOS-M kits come with it anyway. Finally all the tests I've seen and owners I've talked to say all the EF-M lenses are nicely built and sharp.
I should say that to my great surprise I find I know more EOS-M owners than any other type of mirrorless and they all seem to love them (most are Canon DSLR owners). I didn't fancy one (m43 for me for mirrorless) but I'm not arguing with that many people and they clearly have something going for them.
"Basically everyone is losing money selling mirrorless cameras so why would they rush into the market? Making money is their ninja business skill, not losing it. "
Yes, they are making money now. But only because they are the biggest player in the market with the largest market share, best business relationships, sales channels, and the best muscle to get product in front of buyers faces. But look at Nikon's latest financials. They basically have the same strategy as Canon - and they seem to be tanking. So Canon runs the risk of thinking that just because they are making a profit that what they are doing is the best strategy. When in reality it might be the case that they are profitable because they still have the muscle to get the most shelf space at Best Buy.
Horshack: Great article. My take is a bit different. I think Canikon are letting other players burn through R&D money to profitlessly develop the market to see what comes of it. If the MILC market takes off then Canikon can enter it on their terms and profitably exploit its demand - I don't see much risk of being locked out as a late-comer, esp with Canikon's brand recognition. If the MILC market peaks and declines then Canikon saved a bunch of NRE not chasing the market while keeping focus on profitably iterating its DSLR products.
rrccad - so by that standard, then no system has any interest compared to DSLRs. They still sell the most right?
brownie314: Lets be honest about mirrorless - we are really talking about making systems small. I don't honestly think, all other things being equal, that anyone would really care what goes on inside of a camera.It is possible to make DSLRs small. Canon has one, Pentax has a few. But the big 2 typically think small means de-featured. So the smallest DSLRs in their catalog are typically the de-featured ones. Canon and Nikon both have lots of experience making great bodies. Why not put that experience to use making a small DSLR that has all the features of the top end models? Add to that a great live view implementation - and boom - best of both worlds.
Caerolle - that is why I said "all other things being equal". I guess you didn't read that part.So - if you don't care about small - why would you not like a DSLR with a very good live view implementation? You could have the accuracy of live view when you need it - and the speed of dedicated PDAF when you need it.
Lets be honest about mirrorless - we are really talking about making systems small. I don't honestly think, all other things being equal, that anyone would really care what goes on inside of a camera.It is possible to make DSLRs small. Canon has one, Pentax has a few. But the big 2 typically think small means de-featured. So the smallest DSLRs in their catalog are typically the de-featured ones. Canon and Nikon both have lots of experience making great bodies. Why not put that experience to use making a small DSLR that has all the features of the top end models? Add to that a great live view implementation - and boom - best of both worlds.
xfz: I think for mirrorless to replace DSLR it has to wait until contrast AF is faster than phase detection AF in DSLR. This is possible because contrast AF live by moore's law, and mainly depend on computing power and algorithm; which can be greatly improved over time.Before that, i don't see why ppl will move away from DSLR.
Sessility - not exactly. Yes, they do have on sensor PDAF, but they are still not as fast as dedicated PDAF modules. But - they could be more accurate in some cases.
Well Sony has a sort of good problem there with FE mount. Yes, lots of FE lenses coming because they didn't expect this much interest in the FE mount. So they have had to ramp up development in this area. Yes, I also wish sony would devote some resources to develop more good E-mount (not FE) lenses. But remember all FE mount will fit on e-mount. Not ideal, I know - a bit like the Canon and Nikon problem with FF vs crop lenses.
The orginal M+22/2 lens is that hideaway camera you want.
Becksvart: The EOS M was the most sold mirrorless in Sweden during 2014. Some more lenses, much better AF = going to sell very well in 2015, is my guess. People here are very much married to Canon and Nikon.
Am not entirely sure why you are glad Canikon didn't step up until very late and are now calling out Canon for not aggressively sweeping the market. Would be pretty sad to see 100% of cameras sold in Sweden to be Canons :/ The more makers the merrier most definitely.
I suspect that many people in Sweden jumped on it (like I did) because it could be had at a VERY low price. I got mine with a 22/2 lens (sweet lens) for just a hair over $300. It truly is a poor mans Fuji X100. Not as good as the Fuji at any one thing - just much cheaper. I would be curious to see how many EOS Ms sold in Sweden in 2013.
G1Houston - the two AF systems are on different trajectories. Mostly because a separate AF module in DSLRs is an analog feedback loop - really can't get much faster than it already is and has been - it is what it is. Contrast detect OTOH is based on computation speed and algorithm efficiency. So great leaps can still be made here - and with the extra benefit of being able to do things that DSLR phase detect by itself can not do (things like face recognition, smile recognition, etc.).
lacikuss: It is hard to question Canikon for not entering fully the CSC market. After all thy own the DSLR market. Who knows what their strategist saw 5 years ago and what they are seeing now, we just don't know that. Maybe the future is CSC but with FF sensor which has only been affordable in the last year or so.
Full commitment to CSC has come form the outside, from the challengers which is a logical strategic step for them otherwise they would be long dead by now.
So who knows, I believe Sony is the one showing the lead with the a7 series and if that is so then all lenses developed for the EOS M series will go directly to the garbage bin.
What CaNikon has is strong brand recognition as a serious photographic tool. I can fully understand why CN did not enter the CSC market in a serious way 5 years ago. The technology was not in place to make a serious, all around good performing MILC and they did not want to tarnish the brand name by making iteration after iteration of something that was almost as good as a DSLR. But now, I think the time is upon us and the tech is mostly in place to start replacing at least the bottom end DSLRs with a more serious MILC. The EOS M is not a serious MILC.
Well, there is one danger. That would be Sony or some other player comes with a system that is so wildly popular that CaNikon has no chance of catching up. I would say that aps-c alpha mount is not quite there yet - it needs more good lenses that are not so expensive. But given a few years of development it could be at that point. If consumer start thinking of Sony cameras on the same level with CaNikon - the CaNikon has a problem.