Lea5: According to DPRreview: "At Photokina the EOS 6D is star of the show, despite the rather muted reception it has received." Sounds good.
Its because people are looking for an enthusiast FF DSLR for long time. Although they are disappointed, they are lining up to see it.
AP7: Canon 6D may use the same shutter as Rebel series. Although the shutter in rebel camera can support 1/200 sec flash sync, in 6D it can only support 1/180sec due to longer travel (as the sensor is bigger).
@Katie: Both 60D and 7D have 1/250sec flash sync speed. Does 60D sales hurt 7D sales.
Also, both T3 (1100D) and T4i/T3i/T2i have 1/200sec flash sync speed. Does T3 hurt T4i/T3i sales? The answer is NO, Canon knows it very well.
Canon actually put full frame sensor with rebel hardware and casing with some improvement. They priced it with Nikon 600D to show that 6D is no less. But, after a month you'll see lots of discount to attract customers. For example, T4i is launched at $1000, you can buy it now for $800 or less ($200 discount within two months).
Canon's strategy is to design inferior product than comparable Nikon product so that they can give a huge discount to attract customers. After all consumers always look for best deal and sale!
Canon played a very risky game with enthusiast customer by depriving them.
Canon 6D may use the same shutter as Rebel series. Although the shutter in rebel camera can support 1/200 sec flash sync, in 6D it can only support 1/180sec due to longer travel (as the sensor is bigger).
nffeeee: I have been a Nikon user (D700) for a while (six months, four years ago) before switching to Canon and still very happy about my decision. I have a 5d MKII and a 5d MK III and I would NEVER change to Nikon. Why? 1) Canon glasses2) Canon colours 3) Canon Services4) Would you spend your time choosing one of the 345 AF points instead of understand the right focal plane to focus with a single point?5) Nikon's images look always greenish and artifical, no matters more MP.. I tried the D800.. I am not able to get what I want from Nikon RAWS with PS (I am still a Kodachrome fanboy).. I get great results with Canon in 5 minutes
So please TRY the 6D before judging... when I bought the 5d mk III I just saw the specs and I was sure it was only a real small update.. I change my idea when I started to use it.. USE IT AND JUDGE IT!!!
@nffeee: Canon got a huge number of complain from the users of 5D Mark III and 1DX because of using 61 point AF that makes photographers life difficult to choose one AF point out of 61.
Canon realizes the fault and design 6D using 11 AF point with only center cross so that photographer can now use 50mm f/1.2 lens and center point AF to focus and recompose and then get a blurry image !.
Josnio: A full frame camera with only 1/180 sec flash sync speed ?I´m a Canon user who wants to upgrade.. but this sync speed is even worse than Nikon D600´s to balance ambient light with flash.. What´s Canon thinking about..?
Really, flash sync speed depends on external flash, LOL
George Veltchev: I can smell another top selling new entry from Canon ! Bravo!
Its called overpriced Canon 6D that is introduced to match Nikon D600 in price and will be available after four months (they need this time to actually finish the product, what you see is a 60D casing), but not in quality!
AP7: Canon 6D compares well with Nikon D3200, both has 11-point AF system and both are entry level camera.
Nikon D3200 is lighter, and may have better low light and DR performance (even though it has APS-C sensor). D3200 also has built in flash and flash sync 1t 1/200 sec (vs no flash and 1/180 sec for Canon).
Canon 6D has no other advantage than DOF as a travel camera.
Who cares about those thing if light weight camera and AF performance are of prime importance (and this camera is designed as a light weight travel camera in mind).
Focus and recompose is a very old concept and very inaccurate method when DOF is very narrow (which is specially true for FF sensor). At least, it should have all cross-point AF system.
Possible if it is priced at $1500 with kit lens.
Canon 6D compares well with Nikon D3200, both has 11-point AF system and both are entry level camera.
Gothmoth: i don´t care about a popup flash.. i never used it on my aps-c bodys.
but 11 AF points and only ONE cross point AF sensor?this is not 2006 this is 2012 canon!!!
and 180/s flash sync.. you must be kidding.and i thought the 200/s are bad enough but no you can cripple it even more canon.... :(
i hope everyone will buy a D600.. and i say that as canon user.... maybe it´s time canon gets a kick in the a$$ and loses a big part of the market share.
they are a layz bunch of people lately.... offering NOTHING that´s exciting.
Canon 6D compares well with Nikon D3200, both has 11-point AF system.
AP7: So poor specification! For the same price as Nikon D600, who will buy Canon 6D? Canon is certainly out of competition. I believe Canon will slash the price to $1500 after a month.
Now, its time to switch. Canon can no longer capable of holding them.
People with EF-S will be the first to switch.
NIKON is the KING in DSLR photography.
fjmjr: The 6D is another disappointment from Canon. Canon offers always less than the basic Nikon SLR. Among other things, this is why, over 10 years loyal to the brand, I sold my 7D last month and all lenses, flash etc to buy a Nikon D800.
Good decision. No question, as always Nikon is the leader with premium grade Camera and Canon is the follower with cheaper budget grade Camera.
So poor specification! For the same price as Nikon D600, who will buy Canon 6D? Canon is certainly out of competition. I believe Canon will slash the price to $1500 after a month.
I wish if SONY A57 had flash sync speed 1/200 or 1/250 sec like its competitors (Canon T4i, Nikon D5100, etc). What is the barrier here (patent, SONY technology, etc)? Why does SONY love 1/160 sec? Also, A57 has weaker built-in flash (10m A57 vs 13m T4i). I don't get it.
AP7: Good news: Nice pricey camera with "Leaf Shutter" that can sync up to 1/2000 sec.
Bad news: In bright day light, the maximum aperture that you can use without blowing out background is f/3.5 at 1/2000sec and ISO 100 (according to Sunny 16 rule). The flash guide number is 6m. So, it can only cover 1.7m or 5.6ft. If you subject is 15ft away, it will be 3-stops under exposed. Therefore, it is not so useful for daytime fill flash. Why can't they put a flash with guide number 13m (available in most DSLR camera) at least or shutter speed 1/4000 sec to get full advantage of leaf shutter?
So, even if it deviates by a stop, still GN 6m flash cannot lift the shadow, so my original post makes sense for fill flash situation.
@JackM, You said that you don't use fill flash. So, we should not be in the same line of discussions. Show me a back-lit picture (with exif information) in the beach using fill flash.
Sunny 16 rule is well established in all camera meter. I recently used my camera in Niagara Falls and Lake Huron beach around noon, and found that you exactly need f/11, 1/200sec exposure at ISO 100 (no deviation from Sunny 16 rule requires for proper exposure).
So, saying that Sunny 16 rule is wrong for proper exposure calculation is just a lie. If you take picture in the shed and don't care about background, that is different thing.
CameraLabTester: The real WINNER for this camera is the Shutter!
The leaf shutter is within the lens and can sync up to 1/2000 speed!
It will have a sound that is super hushy quiet, sushy nice.
Leaf Shutter sync 1/2000, this alone blows away any competiton.
Now Sony has to beef up it's service support confidence to woo the CanoNikoners...
If you calculate exposure in bright day, at aperture f/2.8, you need 1/3200 sec shutter speed and at aperture f/2.0, you need 1/6400 sec shutter speed (without blowing out background). You can only use maximum 1/2000 sec shutter speed at f/2 when the light is 1.67EV under the bright day light.
The maximum possible aperture in bright day light without blowing out background is f/3.5 at 1/2000sec. In this situation, the built-in flash (with guide number 6m at ISO 100) that Sony RX1 has can only cover (provide fill flash) 1.7m (5.6ft). If your subject is 15ft away from the camera, it will be 3-stops under exposed compared to properly exposed background.
@JackM, Be honest with yourself. I just showed some practical and very useful calculation. Did I make any errors?
Here are some more calculation for you:
Without blowing out background, if you want to use f/2.8 (at minimum ISO 100), you need 1/3200 sec shutter speed (and if you want to use f/2, you need 1/6400 sec shutter speed). So, for proper fill, flash guide number should be 13m that will cover up to 15ft.
OK, you at least got some case where Sunny 16 rule is applicable (such as beach, etc.) and maximum aperture is f/3.5. Even if you take f/2.5 in your calculation, the tiny built-in flash is 2-stops under exposed.
Good news: Nice pricey camera with "Leaf Shutter" that can sync up to 1/2000 sec.