Dimit: Too big for too few physical controls.Too expensive for what smartphones will be anytime soon.Too immatured as a system for what 1'' is good at: telephoto capabilities(forget adapters!).Too much trouble for nothing!..............................Get a GM1 instead.......................
Previous reply is for plasnu (although plasnu and peevee1 are the same person)
peevee1, which company are you working with? Are you a fanboy or troll? Perhaps, I feel too bad for your Panny GM1 purchase. Don't worry, you may sell it in Kijiji or Craiglist and can buy NX mini later. I really feel sorry for you. Oh, poor guy completely devastated by Samsung NX mini release and looking for some peace of mind. Really feel sorry for you buddy.
Can you STOP trolling here? Samsung NX mini is not from your company. So why bother? You can be active when your company release something. You can continue trolling if your company pays for bashing other company's product (otherwise you may loose job I believe).
peevee1: be careful in your remark. This is utterly offensive and uncivil:
"As usual, Samsung hires shills for new product releases."
Whatever I wrote are not wrong at all (I compared both camera side-by-side in DPR), if anything wrong you can always correct it, but not in stupid way.
Very funny plasnu !!
Its exactly the opposite. Someone without knowledge will go to bestbuy and buy Panasonic because of it brand name. Educated users will see following before buying camera (not brand):
1. Samsung has 20 MP vs Panasonic has 16 MP sensor2. Samsung ISO 100-25600 vs Panasonic ISO 200-256003. Samsung Flash Sync 1/200 sec vs Panasonic 1/50 sec 4. Samsung mechanical shutter vs Panasonic electronic shutter5. Samsung NFC vs Panasonic no NFC6. Samsung ships with Lightroom for free vs Panasonic no LR7. Samsung has tilting screen vs Panasonic no such thing8. Samsung has hotshoe vs Panasonic no hot shoe9. Samsung has remote control vs NO for Panasonic10. Samsung 650 shots vs Panasonic 230 shots (battery life)
If you want more, see AndreSJ's lists as well. How can I tell you educated??? LOL
jorg14: Am I missing something here?The Sony RX 100 ll doesn't have an interchangeable lens, but doesn't need it. It's 28 - 100 covers almost the same range. It's f/1.8 vs 1.7 is hardly a big difference. It has the same sensor. Is has the 'flippy' screen. Its actually smaller considering the two lenses. It's cheaper if you figure the extra lens cost. You don't have to change lenses, and it's user interface is better. So if you want to pay more for a heavier camera (camera + two lenses), want to change lenses, and have a harder to use interface, then get the new Samsung?
BTW, I've had Samsung cameras in the past and they've been great, so I'm not knocking the brand.
Then Samsung NX mini is designed perfectly. Sony has redundant tele-zoom (100mm)
jorg14: Am I missing something here?The Sony RX 100 ll doesn't have an interchangeable lens, but doesn't need it. It's 28 - 100 covers almost the same range. It's f/1.8 vs 1.7 is hardly a big difference. It has the same sensor. Is has the 'flippy' screen. Its actually smaller considering the two lenses. It's cheaper if you figure the extra lens cost, and it's user interface is better. So you want to pay more for a heavier camera (camera + two lenses), want to change lenses, and have a harder to use interface, then buy the new Samsung?
Not all the cameras have to be designed in the same way you want. Sony RX100 is good for you, but Samsung NX mini is good for others.
Samsung is cheaper and has lots of flexibility. Only thing I wish Samsung may have included is Stereo mic.
Flash sync is 1/200sec as compared to Nikon's 1/60sec. Nikon is useless in fill flash situations. It has also more powerful flash than Sony, Panasonic and Nikon.
Go ahead Samsung! Good luck!
AP7: Nikon is following Canon's route: D5300 is D5200 with new kit lens and few minimal updates, like T4i to T5i.
It is nice. Nikon has included some interesting features.
But, I would rather wait until Nikon puts wireless flash controller, on sensor phase detect AF (like Nikon 1) and stepper/linear motor into 5XXX series camera body and lenses. I don't much care about touch screen. But, it is nice to have.
On the other hand, I would rather wait to see better sensor in Canon rebel camera. Let see who wins the game.
Sony cameras are good in the sense that they have all the things that Nikon is missing. But, why 1/160 sec sync speed, why not 1/200 sec or 1/250 sec? Is the shutter quality inferior and cannot support faster shutter speed? Only because of this, I'll not buy a Sony camera.
Nikon is following Canon's route: D5300 is D5200 with new kit lens and few minimal updates, like T4i to T5i.
No built-in wireless flash controller !
Nikon should also go for on sensor phase detect AF system and stepper/linear motorized lens technology for better live view and video AF (like their system 1 camera).
These two features are very serious missing.
No built-in wireless flash controller. It is a terrible omission from this series of camera. OMG, Nikon is so conservative with their flash systems.
AP7: Some people here are so funny! They are so obsessed by the sensor and dxomark. Looks like they want to buy the sensor, not the camera. Just remember, sensor is only a part of the whole camera system. There are so many thing to consider when you buy camera, and sensor is only one of them. I am happy that Canon is not into Sensor and megapixel race. Rather, they improved other parts of the camera (touch screen interface, live view and STM lens technology, size, etc). This camera is much improved than the T2i although they shares the same sensor. No camera from Nikon or Sony has so many real and useful features than this camera.
A comparison with other camera in the group:
Nikon D3200 lacks the following:
1. No touch screen interface2. No STM lenses and smooth AF in live view. Aperture cannot be changed in live view.3. No exposure bracketing 4. No Auto FP high speed sync5. No DOF preview6. No Mirror lock up option7. No 14-bit RAW8. Bigger9. Crappy software support10. Too much yellow color cast in the pictures
Sony SLT-A58 lacks the following:
1. No touch screen interface2. In movie mode, No AF when Aperture is chosen. AF only works for Auto exposure.3. No Full HD 30fps movie mode4. Flash sync speed is 1/160 sec only5. 12-bit RAW only6. Bigger7. Inferior LCD resolution8. Plastic Lens mount
Of course, between Nikon D3200 and Sony A58, Sony A58 looks better in terms of features, like High speed sync, wireless flash, in camera HDR, panorama making, better AF (cross sensor) and metering (higher sensitivity to lower light) systems, depth of field preview, etc.
marike6: Now that this camera got a Gold Award, maybe Canon will use this same sensor for another five years.
But seriously, I handled this camera at Costco the other day, and the body is really quite nice. IQ is behind it's competitors but at the entry level this may not matter since images at lower ISOs do look very good.
The problem is lenses. The lenses I'd be interested in mounting like the new Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 or the excellent EF 70-200 f/4 would balance extremely poorly. The shallow grip helps keep the SL1 small, but ultimately hurts ergonomics. In this case a standard Rebel T5i / 700D or 70D would be a significantly better choice.
Many assume (including DPR) that small size is desirable, but it only helps portability. That's it. And since the SL1 is not pocketable anyway, the sacrifice in handling is really all for naught.
What is the point of mounting Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 or EF 70-200 f/4 with this camera? Why not considering other appropriate (bigger camera in your view that is bigger in size and has deeper grip) camera if you like to mount those lenses?
Some people here are so funny! They are so obsessed by the sensor and dxomark. Looks like they want to buy the sensor, not the camera. Just remember, sensor is only a part of the whole camera system. There are so many thing to consider when you buy camera, and sensor is only one of them. I am happy that Canon is not into Sensor and megapixel race. Rather, they improved other parts of the camera (touch screen interface, live view and STM lens technology, size, etc). This camera is much improved than the T2i although they shares the same sensor. No camera from Nikon or Sony has so many real and useful features than this camera.
white shadow: Once in a while, Canon would produce some exceptional and affordable lenses, the 40mm f/2.8 being one of the latest.
The others are:1) 70-200mm f/4.0L IS2) 135mm f/4.0L IS3) 50mm f/1.8
and the not so cheap but excellent 70-200mm f/2.8L IS MkII.
A very convenient lens to have on a full frame camera, not so bad even on an APS-C DSLR.
However, for me, I still prefer my Zeiss 35mm f/2.0 on my 5DMkII as it balance better, have better micro-contrast, more neutral colours and have an infinity stop. Obviously, the Zeiss is in a different league and price range but if quality is your main priority this is it. Good to have choices.
For those on a budget, the Canon 40mm f/2.8 is hard to beat.
50mm f/1.8 II is a great lens optically. But to be competitive with Nikon and Sony, it needs update, such as, 7-blade circular aperture, quiet AF motor (may be STM). Plastic mount is not a problem. Optical performance is adequate, but can be improved wide open like Nikon and Sony.
AP7: Excellent camera with TONS of features albeit AGED sensor and relatively slower Liveview AF.
The kit lens is cheaply built, e.g., the front element of the lens is not finished well in the corner. Just see circumference of the front lens element, you'll find rough edges. Shame on you Canon for making such an optically excellent, but cheap finishing and feeling lens! When you wipe the lens with cloth, you'll feel rough edges. Shame Shame .....
You don't need to buy Zeiss. Of course, you can buy if you like. That's your choice. Nobody is preventing you. But, I expect the same quality as original CANON EF-S 18-55mm IS, or Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Pentax, etc. like finishing. They all produce kit lens with smoother finishing in front element. Go to any store and compare all the kit lenses.
Excellent camera with TONS of features albeit AGED sensor and relatively slower Liveview AF.
IMHO, main weakness of Nikon D5200 as compared to competitions are in Flash Capability. It lags two important features that Canon, Sony and other competitors have:
1. High Speed Flash Sync (Maximum shutter speed can be only 1/200s when using flash)
2. Wireless flash capability (It can not control of off camera flash)
Best feature: Electronic Shutter with maximum flash sync speed 1/60 sec !
AP7: The definition and interpretation of terms: Acutance in Field Map (Acutance Map) and Profiles (Acutance Profiles) are not clear in dxomark website.
Both show % acutance as a function of field position for different focal lengths and apertures. While first shows in color code, the latter shows in % value from 50% to 90%.
Acutance is defined as follows:
My concern is how do we interpret the curves? For example, the acutance values in % at 35mm and f/5.6 are 68.6%, 67.6%, 65% and 61.4% at the center, 1/3 field, 2/3 field and corner respectively. The measurements are done on Canon 7D with 18 MP sensor (5184 pixel x 3456 pixel) and Canon EF 35mm f/2 lens.
Then, what does 68.6% mean? Does it mean that P-Mpix is 68.6% of 18MP at centre for that focal length and aperture combo? or perceptible horizontal resolution is 68.6% of 5184 pixels or what? The interpretation should be made clear with enough examples.
Interesting enough, even DxO Labs does not know the answer of what they are doing. Crazy metric, I believe!