sportyaccordy: For whatever its worth, in the studio comparison anyway, the D810 gives nothing up to the 645Z on a 100% view basis as far as noise goes. Def want to see its DR capabilities as well as ability to pull info from dark/underexposed areas. DxOMark's data can't come soon enough. Not in the market, just want to see what it can do.
@BorisK1:> You put my name on top of HowaboutRAW's text. Why?
Boris, my sincere apologies. It was my mistake, was supposed to read "@HowaboutRAW" instead. Sorry, Falk
@BorisK>The D800 is famous for having a pretty steep DR drop above ISO 200ish. Whereas the D810 doesn't have this problem.
This claim by you is utterly nonsense. To a point I'll ignore further posts from you.
@HowaboutRAW What are you talking about? For ISO 200+, the D800 maintains DR over ISO exactly as good as physics allows for. And at ISO 100, it actually could be a tad better even. The upper limit for DR is proportional to 1/ISO. Of course, a camera can do worse for select values of ISO.
@sporty the numbers (like 13.5) are in arbitrary units, please don't confuse them with stops of DR. Arbitrary units are such that twice the number means a stop better.
@BorisK1My formula allows to predict dynamic range assuming equal silicon technology and execution ability.
This assumption is reasonable for 645Z vs. D810 (same manufacturer and design team, i.e. Sony) but doesn't apply to CMOS vs. CCD (645D).
Image quality wise, I consider the 645Z to be on par, not better, than D810, because of the recent spectacular F1.4 lenses made available for it (Otus, Sigma Art) which have no peers for cropped medium format. The real value of the 645Z is the impression it can leave with a client.
As for DR of D810 vs. 645Z...
24*36 / 64 = 13.533x44 / 100 = 14.5 or 1/10 stop better.
I.e., DR should be considered equal until DxO comes up with full measurements.
nyer82: I knew this was possible... to have both sensor and optical stabilization and the camera decides how to implement them. It's really the best of all worlds. But whenever I brought it up, people screamed at me.
@straylightrunIf you have both systems, their combined effect cannot exceed that of the better of the two. You basically always switch off the worse of the two. If you would activate both dystems at full effect, they would actually perform slightly worse than no stabilization at all. I could explain all this in plenty detail but leave that as an exercise to you.
Of course, you can have both sensor and optical stabilization. But the sum of both effects must always be kept to 1, that's the nature of things technologically. So, if you have both, the camera must switch one of the two mechanisms off (the worse one if it has data for that to decide for a given shutter speed), of combine both with, e.g., half effect.
That's all pretty simple and basic stuff. I don't think people told you otherwise in the past.
Morten Rasmussen: Dpreview are Panasonic fanboys. You should consider this when you read their reviews.
What I mean is;
How come a camera that was launched so recently already gets a review and a very good one, when the Sony a5100, which, I may add, probably blows the LX100 out of the water, and is same size or smaller, doesn't get reviewed.
It's always the same when panasonic ships a new camera Dpreview is right there, but not so much with the other brands. One could get the impression that they benefit somehow.
The RX100/1-3 and now LX100 are reshaping the photo industry. How on earth can anybody think an a5100 is anywhere near as important? Moreover, it is MUCH BIGGER and worse with a 16-50 attached.
This P1 ugliness isn't it.
A mirrorless MF camera, e.g., with the 50MP 33x44mm CMS sensor found in the 645Z and sold for no more than what a D4s does cost, is a great idea though.
Job still listed as available at Hasselblad:http://www.hasselblad.com/about-hasselblad/careers/design-engineer.aspx
Will probably become a chapter of donts in any design 101 book ...
Maybe, the article isn't the best introduction to what Mylio is about.
But still, I am wondering what could be the value proposition above, say SmugMug with its LR sync plugin and SmugView iOS app which is improving nicely recently. The latter is cheaper, with unlimited storage, very stable and trusted and much richer on features, yet easier to use.
Flat rate offers sound like a great thing, but somebody has to pay.
I'd rather like to see well executed offers with low TB per month prices, like a dollar or so.
falconeyes: DPR could have done a much better job when reporting this.
Let me fill in the missing facts:
1. 0.005 lux is -9 EV (almost exactly). The scene is pitch black dark indeed.
2. However, to judge the sensor, an EV figure w/o aperture and exposure time is meaningless.
3. According to Sony, it is F1.4, 1/60s exposure. -9 EV then requires ISO 6,000,000 to expose correctly. I.e., the image shown is ISO 6m.
4. That's 3.9 stop beyond e.g., the A7s highest iso level of 410k. But the image quality shown by Sony for a tiny 400x300 pixel image is terrible. While the A7s is still ok at 410k.
Therefore, no conclusion that this chip would be more sensitive than other sensors can be drawn from matrerial provided. Just marketing non info.
And btw, at quantum efficiencies already as high as 65% and read noise as low as 0.4 e- (A7s) rest assured that no miracles are left in this field if you cannot break the laws of nature.
@HowaboutRAW:I give up with you. Between you and people in the know, the gap is too large to communicate across if you don't try to learn.
This is another tough but not final exercise in Shaolin monk style patience -- to eventually become a true Pentaxian. Only few prevail ...
@HowaboutRAW. We stretch this topic to the max, but it may be an interesting discussion for you anyway. From what you have posted in this reply section so far, I think, I am developing a feeling about where you are coming from.
Therefore, in all sincerity, do not believe everything which you can find written, only because you see fit. Understanding from first principles is much more important. It may take a couple years to work through all math but believe me, it is worth it.
As for infinities (singularities) and imaginary functions, don't believe for a second there is anything wrong with that. If you use sources claiming so, get rid of them. They obviously try to confuse you. E.g., the proper math treating of the kind of singularities you can encounter from the uncertainty relation is called "Functional analysis" in general and "Schwartz space" in particular (both have Wkipedia articles). Studying both was part of my third year education in Mathematical Physics. Learn, not read.
It isn't my job to teach physics here, but since you ask ... If you can show the Heisenberg principle being broken by any experiment you'll be awarded a Nobel prize, I am almost sure. Recent work showing that measurement perturbations can be kept small are not in contradiction, as the Heisenberg principle does not state anything about measurement perturbations. Assuming it does was a misconception while popularizing the principle to non physicists.
Having said this, only one thing remains which is pretty obvious.
@HowaboutRAW. I am glad I never have to discuss random opinions like this when meeting with scientists. Scientists who are capable to understand the Heisenberg Principle from the ground up.
@TrojMacReady. That's correct. One would have to do a proper noise analysis and normalize wrt sensor surface. All I wanted to say was that the example provided doesn't mean much as it stands.
@bwana4swahili: Here is a A7s iso 410k image:http://cdn.lowyat.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/30eb50f7-8ecb-4e2f-b8a8-46bfd22a9b83_zps0c4091e6.pngok and even better after correcting the color profile for the magenta cast.
alcaher: I dont know much about sensors but some people like thom hogan have written that mostly aps-c sensor (including sony) have reached its limits in terms of DR, Resolution and high ISO performance. If this is some kind of a new sensor technology, could we see more of this in next year's new aps-c cameras from Sony and nikon?
not true for laws of nature. It is possoble to find limits for their validity, but once established, have never been broken. I.e., you can't escape the fundamental nature of photons.
Canon EOS 60D: This sensor was developed for "Automotive use" and not photography. Camera geeks/nerds stop complaining. You're barking at the wrong tree. LOL
It is a news story on digital PHOTOGRAPHY review, you seem to forget.
And the question if the sensitivity of sensors could improve significantly in the future is valid. And as I detail in my post below, this story provides no evidence it can.