In the specs you say it's not weather sealed at all. Is that true?!
Why then is the new 16-50 f2-2.8 lens listed as splash and dust proof if the camera is not as well? Very odd.
Probably NXF1 will have a few seals. But until it is put under a faucet with lens and continues working, it will just be empty words.
Almost GX7, only plastic, ugly and no IBIS.
cgarrard: I'm surprised the SL1 didn't do better, and even more surprised (this time in a good way) that the K3 took the show in the SLR category. Always thought high of Pentax, but nice to see more others are to. I'd say the RX10, K3, and X100S all have my current eye.
But what surprised me the most, no votes at all for Samsung.
Why would SL1 do better when it is the worst DSLR of 2013 (or, in other words, cheapened basic DSLR from the end of 2009-beginning 2010).
What, no preview?
Jorginho: Well it depends on how it will perform and, from various reports on Samsung cams, the Quality control is one thing to reckon with. zvarious reports about bad lenses are around. Even though there are not so many users of this system....But this is a very nice lens with very nice specs. I hope it performs well.
I have to say that 650 grams for a f2 to f2.8 is on the low side compared to other APs-c offerings that are nearly the same in F, but "only" offer f2.8. otoh: this weighs more than double and is quite a bit larger too than the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8. It is even quite a bit heavier than the 100-300 mm and 75-300 mm Olympus zooms for the mFt system. I have the 100-300 and it is as far as I am wiling to go even on the DSLR-like Gh2 body I have.So what is the advantage here, the incetive for APS-c users to get into the NX30-+ this lens? It is a bit difficult to see, at least for me.
But let's wait and see: for the Samsung users at least this is probably a very nice option to have!
"The larger sensor gives a bit of an advantage to the Samsung (about 2/3 stops)"
Not even close, check the tests, they are on par. Samsung NX300 ISO score 942, Olympus E-PM2 932.
supeyugin1: The best mirrorless system in the world! Bravo Samsung!
It is not even close.
peevee1: f/2-f/2.8 sounds very nice and the formula everybody should use. Very nice upgrade from Samsung. Heavy like a brick for a mirrorless lens though. The small 16-50 finally puts it in a reasonamle competition with Sony E 16-50 and Panasonics 14-42 and 12-32 for small and light cameras - hopefully the 20-50 embarrassment will be forgotten like a bad dream.Great that they are still trying to compete.
Except 20-50 SEVERELY LACKS wide end and stabilization. If you cannot make a wide composition you want, it is visible without pixel-peeping.
mandophoto: Considering the size and weight of the 16-50 2-2.8 version, it should be popular with Americans.
Well, to be popular here is also has to be priced right. ;-)
JJ NeXT: Is the body "weather-resistant" ?
Tapper123, where did you get the info - it is neither in the press release nor in specs.
Is this 9 fps with continuous autofocus, or with focus locked?
f/2-f/2.8 sounds very nice and the formula everybody should use. Very nice upgrade from Samsung. Heavy like a brick for a mirrorless lens though. The small 16-50 finally puts it in a reasonamle competition with Sony E 16-50 and Panasonics 14-42 and 12-32 for small and light cameras - hopefully the 20-50 embarrassment will be forgotten like a bad dream.Great that they are still trying to compete.
Looking at the lens and its weight, there is no nearly as much glass in it as its body to justify the size (look how deep the front element is, and how small compared to the filter thread). Looks like the size was made artificially large to try and justify the price tag. Oversizing together with overpricing?
Demon Cleaner: "Though the GM1 has a larger sensor than the Sony RX100 II, it doesn't really offer better depth of field control."
So if I attach one of the fast primes or constant aperture zooms I'll pretty much get similar depth of field to that of the RX100 II?
They mean with the 12-32 kit lens. Of course with 20/1.7 or 25/1.4 or 45/1.8 or 75/1.8 etc you will beat ... everything... out of RX100 II.
That is not your boring head-and-shoulders!
DPR wrote: "but taking into account that certain lenses can't use AF-C"
Which are those? Pana 20mm?
ragmanjin: I don't understand how the D7100 and D610 are getting so many votes. One's a slight spec bump over the previous model with no new tech or gains or even a prettier body, so by logic should be sitting at about the same level as the K-50 or A58 here. The other's identical to its predecessor in pretty much every way, announced early and for the sole reason of averting attention from the huge quality control problems of the one it's replacing, so by logic should be sitting at the same level as the T5i (which was released to divert attention from the T4i's rubber grip allergen issue). At lease the Df looks a little different, the SL1's one of the smallest DSLRs ever, the 70D and K-3 have completely revolutionary new technologies in them and the K-500 finally signals Pentax's return to having an actual lineup of DSLRs complete with non-weather-sealed entry-level models.
Anyways, just a thought.
" The other's identical to its predecessor in pretty much every way, announced early and for the sole reason of averting attention from the huge quality control problems of the one it's replacing"
So what? It does not make the camera itself any worse. It is still a weather-sealed FF camera with exceptionally good sensor and very good controls, only now with decent 6 fps and without dirt-on-the-sensor problems. What is not to like?I am not saying if you benefit from 8 fps and shoot tele often K-3 is not better for you (if its AF is good). But for landscapes D610 must be even better. Especially with the Nikon 14-24/2.8 - k-3 cannot shoot that wide or maintain that fast speed at UWA.
Scottelly: All I can say is the Nikon D5300 is the first DSLR to hit 24 megapixels with no anti-aliasing filter and a sub-$1,000 price tag. On top of that, it is the first DSLR with built-in GPS (the Sony cameras are SLT cameras - the Nikon has an optical viewfinder). AND it has a fold-out screen. I just wish it had weather seals, and a bigger buffer for shooting raw. Wi-fi control and a touch screen would be nice too, of course, as would in-body image stabilization, like the Sony and Pentax 24 Mp cameras have.
Nikon is going to have to step up their game though. (I actually think they have with the D5300 coming out so soon with all its extras.) With Pentax finally introducing their new K-3, there is a LOT of competition in the 24 Mp market now. The D400 better hurry up and get built, or the you know what is going to hit the fan in the Nikon camp. The fiasco with the D600 didn't help matters at all.
"Pentax has 12 :D"
Too bad the mythical D400 Scottelly wants cannot use any of them. ;-)
SulfurousBeast: What the Pentax fanboys / followers came out in full fore to vote or is it just a sympathy vote for the underdog? I am not saying K3 is not a good camera by any measure, in fact it is at par and even above par with its comparable peers in several areas. But given that majority voters would be (assumed) CanNikon owners, surprising to see Pentax K3 leading this poll which means it has garnered 'non-pentaxian' votes too. Good for Pentax.
"just a sympathy vote for the underdog?"
Does not seem like K-3 needs any sympathy votes being the best APS-C DSLR released this year. Maybe even the best APS-C DSLR ever (depending on real world performance of its AF system).
Arch C: I was wondering why is the DF or the d610 included as they are a different level of cameras compared to the others on the list...starting with the fact that they are using a full frame sensor which puts them above the others.
A camera is more than its sensor. A camera is more than its sensor. A camera is more than its sensor.Repeat 100 times.
completelyrandomstuff: Can we have a poll for the most popular unreleased cameras? We could choose between a full frame pentax (K-1), olympus E-7 or some competitive mirrorless options from Canon and Nikon.
"Can we have a poll for the most popular unreleased cameras?"
Open one in Open Talk, what stops you? ;-)