LiSkynden: WHATTA...??? It has the Canon style filp out screen!!! :O
But how many dial wheels can there be in one camera? lol. I counted 6.
The more the merrier! And with real markings on 3 of them - you can actually see what they do, what are the current settings and how far and to which direction you should turn them to set what you want, without looking at the screen all the time!
iudex: The lens speed is nice and this is a giant step compared to P7100 (1 EV throughout the focal range). With tiny 1/1,7" sensor there is of course not big DOF control, but it seems with D7700 you can get the shallovest DOF among all 1/1,7" enthusiast conpacts: f4 on 200 mm eq. allows the best DOF control, e.g. P7700 with 200 mm and f4 and subject 3 m far makes 23 cm DOF, whereas the much faster XZ-1 with 112 mm and f2,5 is capable of only 47 cm: http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
Will it even focus at 3m at the long end?
_Federico_: No OVF, no EVF , small sensor as usual. A good camera , in 2009 days.Not today.
Cy Cheze, Pana LX3, 2008. 1/1.63" sensor, and f/2.0, and HD video too (not full HD, but still). And it was really compact, unlike this 400g brick (which in it's defense provides much longer zoom with that extra weight).
AllOtherNamesTaken: You can't bring out a camera like this with the RX100 & G1X already out and expect it to do well. I'm a Nikon fan but this is a fail IMO. This could have so easily been a huge hit, even with the 1" sensor if they didn't go APS-C. They got everything right except that sensor it seems. Very few P&S users use an OVF so I think it was wise to leave it out for the majority of the intended consumer base. The die hards will get a hot shoe option, I'm sure.
It is much lighter and much cheaper compared to G1X, and from the specs seems much faster too. Totally different category, a good direct competitor for Pana LX7 and Samsung EX2F in $500 range, trading lens speed and wide end for extra zoom reach. And certainly beats Canon G12 to a pulp.
RX100 made all of them seem a little silly though, with their heavy bodies and serious controls. :)
I really like the multiple dial controls, with most dials clearly marked instead being contextual.But Pana LX7 still beats it 1 whole stop in most situations, except the extreme zoom where LX7 will use digital zoom and lose a little (with 2x, at 180mm eq. the maximum amount of light - corresponding to the IQ of final image - the LX7 will get will be like f/4.6, vs f/3.9-f/4 for P7700). And LX7 has very important 24mm on wide end. And it is 100g lighter.Still the controls on P7700... 5 dials! Not counting the one around the lens... what is it for? Zoom seems to be powered...
alexdpx: Except for the zoom lens, how is this better than a cameraphone? Perhaps this product is aimed for the non-techy people.
More like "to the non-smart people".
Cipher: Finally! A camera for seniors! I probably get this for my Mom. I've always been looking for a simple camera with few buttons.
It is too small for seniors. And too expensive and fragile for kids (you can get a simple tough camera with better 1/2.3" sensor for $120 or so).
This is exactly the kind of camera which does not have any sense anymore, with the camera in you phone being essentially free and not taking up any size.
Josh152: I really wish review sites would stop pulling punches when it comes to Canon's stagnated sensor technology. No one is confronting this huge elephant in the room. Canon's sensors aren't just a little behind in the race, They are being lapped. Worse it appears Canon is either unwilling or much more likely unable to do anything about it. No one is confronting the very real possibility Canon has simply advanced their sensors as far as they can with current technology.
It is not only about their sensors. They have problems with their processors too. They just (August 2012) released 2 cameras with maximum speed of 0.8 fps!
D200_4me: Bottom line is, it's a good time to be a consumer. Lots of great choices available today.
And the Rebel is not one of them.
Friends don't let friends buy Rebels.
No, seriously, I would HATE to buy a Rebel (worst DSLR of 2012) today and in 6 (SIX!) days see, say, NEX-6 released, with (if the rumors are true) the wonderful Sony 16 mpix sensor with vastly superior IQ, fast Sony processor giving something like 10 fps (judging by NEX-5N and NEX-7) and better JPEG processing, on-sensor PDAF, pancake zoom, EVF providing clear preview of exposure and white balance settings (unlike any OVF, especially the dim pentamirror junk in Rebels not even providing a correct framing!), WiFi, in a package weighing half as much as the Rebel... for the same price or cheaper.
That would be really stupid, would it?
ThoughtfulMind: Ok, guys, I need help here. I am a newbie to photography, no experience more than taking the occasional pictures here and there, with a recent decision to pick up photography, been reading quite a bit when suddenly my cheapo p&s died. I am trying to decide between a t3i and a t4i. So here's what I'm looking for, I will probably start with the camera on auto, but want to be able to experiment and learn with the manual modes over time. I am also of the mentality that I want to buy something that will last a few years and that I'd rather spend the money upfront rather than start with something basic then pay more down the line to upgrade. I love the fact that the t4i doesn't "effectively" have a 4GB movie limit and a stereo mic, but I am concerned that its slightly noisier than a t3i. And while the t3i can be had at a bargain now, I am wondering how it will hold up quality-wise 3-4 years down the road. I have considered an SLT-57, loved it, but hated the downwards swiveling screen.
ThoughtfulMind, don't get suckered into an outdated system with the "new" camera with outdated sensor and outdated processor.Get into DSLR if you want to go with full-frame cameras, as there is no alternative in this segment yet. Then you have a choice of 4 current cameras: Canon 1D X and 5D III, Nikon D4 and D800. But for the consumer-level cameras, the whole industry went into the new, mirrorless systems, with smaller lighter bodies and smaller lighter lenses.If you want to start a new system, wait 3 weeks until Photokina, a lot of new stuff will be announced, and you will be able to make a rational decision instead of going with either of the pathetic Rebels.
meshal: i sometime pay hundreds or thousand of dollars for lenses to gain half or 1 stop and this one lose some in high iso. no thanks canon.
meshal wrote: "like the small body with good pic quality.rebel was the best at this"
Maybe 3 years ago. Since then everything changed, and Rebel is absolutely worst of all modern DSLRs.
peevee1: In the conclusion: "The EOD 650D carries on the tradition of high image quality from previous Rebel series cameras."
But isn't it in fact the lowest image quality of all modern (2012) DSLRs? And even modern mirrorless, like Fuji X-Pro1, Pentax k-01, Sony NEX C3/F3/5N/7 and Olympus E-M5 are better?
sdyue, do you even read to the IQ comparison pages (including DR, high ISO etc)? The 18Mpix Canons with their 3 y/o sensors and slow DIGIC 5s are absolutely the worst cameras of 2012, to get anything worse you need to dig all the way down to Pana GF5 with it's 4 y/o 12mpix sensor.
Francis Carver: I have a 4-years old, $120 Nikon pocket-cam that has a wonderful AF illuminator light that comes on and works in both still picture and video modes.Flash forward to the year 2012 and to the Canon Rebel T4i that costs about 5x as much as the little Nikon referred to above. Guess what? Canon had conveniently "forgot" to put in a AF illuminator into their latest prosumer DSLR camera. I guess if you have a strong flashlight/torchlight with you at all times, you would not need on in the camera -- or so the thinking must have gone with the Canon corporate bean counters.
Regarding hybrid AF (phase + contrast detection) -- well, mirrorless cameras have had that feature for years. Just ask Panasonic, Sony, and so forth. Can Canon ever come up with something that others have not already come up with before? We begin to wonder.
"So far we have seen on-sensor phase detection from: Fujifilm, Nikon and now Canon (Ricoh had a two-sensor hybrid system, but that's different)"
Fuji? Which one?At least Sony NEX-5R and NEX-6 with on-sensor PDAF are all over Internet...
jfriend00: So, if I'm understanding this correctly, the clear pixel (the white in RGBW) records raw light luminosity (no color) and because there is no color filter on it at all, it gets much more light at the photo diode than the color-filtered pixels. This allows Sony to record the luminosity of the image with a much higher signal-to-noise ratio than before. It does not improve color noise, but does improve luminosity noise and they apparently think this improves overall IQ.
Correct, except "much" would be an exaggeration.
Wait, in the specs of DPReview it says that both cameras start with 28 mm eq, but what about this quote: "PowerShot SX500 IS
With a 24mm wide angle lens and an incredible 30x optical zoom (up to 720mm) packed into a compact design, the PowerShot SX500 IS "
Digital Suicide: Canon is going down..
Well, Sony and Olympus seem to really improved their cameras lately. For example, Olympus SZ-31MR iHS offers continuous shooting speeds of 7, 15 and 60 (with lower resolution) fps, vs. 0.8 fps for Canon SX500 (like 1999 all over again).
David Hurt: Still using Digic IV?? Should have Digic V in Both models!
Even DIGIC 5 is slow, as evidenced by slow AF and sequential shooting speed of G1X. Those SX are just pathetic - 0.8 fps, really?
DIGIC 4 processor? Really? Even DIGIC 5 is hopelessly behind the times...