ondrejbobek: Better if you make a camera, that supports faster cards. Writing "speeds" on my Sony A7rII are horribly slow.
Yes, they force you to buy at least 64Gb SDXC or they disable the 4K video recording.
But it's a pure marketing scam since you can easily write 100mbps bitrate (12.5Mb/s) on an old class 6 (15Mb/s write speed).
Sony is insulting its customers !
usernamealreadyinuse: Another offering from a (major) camera manufacturer meant for DSLR shooters, but without viewfinders? Gee, maybe they should have put a phone in these. Thanks much, but NOT EVER.
I like these cams because they don't force me to buy a useless viewfinder (adding 250$ to the price).Viewfinders are for old peeping toms who like watching the world through a keyhole !90% of people use the LCD. Get over it.
I don't give a sh.. about DSLR, they're so big you never have them with you.
This DL 24~85 is 300$ cheaper than the Sony RX100. Succes garanteed.Thank you Nikon for not listening to the grumpy Viewfinder Police !
mcshan: Why not simply buy the Sony RX100 series?
What happened to their Nikon Coolpix A cameras? Fuji just released the X70 which can compete with the Ricoh GR II.
In Europe the RX100 is 900 Euros, the Nikon 24-85 is available for preorder at 750€, and will be 699€ in a few months.
I don't want to pay 150~200€ more for a viewfinder that I'll never use.Also, I'll never buy a camera without a touchscreen again.(A touchscrren equipped with Gorilla Glass, mind you. Which Nikon offers on these cams !)
And then there's a 20fps burst rate with full AF or 60fps with focus locked on the first frame.
Are those reasons good enough or should I kill myself for disrespecting the Holy Viewfinder ?
rugosa: You have to be a real loser to claim you've already owned a camera that is not even available for sale yet! See above " Gear in this story"
Have you tried the mobile version of the site ?Everything is so small, you constantly have to pinch-to-zoom.Unfortunately by doing that, half the time you press a "like" button or a "vote" button.
I bet those votes are accidental presses due to the horrid layout on mobile/tablet version of the site.
Relax dude, it's not the end of the world ...
Exactly ! The memory controller on Sony cameras is awful.It's still USB2, and can't even achieve 20Mb/s writing speed. Thats barely half the USB 2 spec !! What a scam !
In fact it's so bad that you don't need anything more than an old class 6 SD card (15Mb/s).You can test it yourself : shoot bursts with a class 6 card, then with a UHS-I (95Mb/s), you'll get the same performance.I noticed it was marginally faster with Sony's own Memorystick, at around 18Mb/s.
Supporting UHS-I protocol doesn't mean using it to its full capacity in Sony's world ...
Oh and by the way, a 100Mbps video bitrate (as used in 4K) is just 12.5Mb/s.
Wake up Sony, every fricking mid-range smartphone have much better performance than your high-end cameras (except the sensor of course). Dare to compare a 2 years old Snapdragon 800 with 2Gb of ram with your sluggish BionzX and its miserable 256Mb buffer ?
I did it, and my old (Christmas 2013) Nexus 5 "raped" my Sony camera ... :(
straylightrun: Why no built in EVF like the Sony HX90??
Because it would add 300$ to the price ?Because looking at the world through a viewfinder is like looking at a beautiful girl through a keyhole ?
No IBIS, no touchscreen (which my NEX-5R had) and still stuck with a LCD resolution of 360p .... all that for just twice the price ?! WOW indeed !
I quit Sony. They're lost in confusion.
At least give us a NEX-5300 with touchscreen (min 720p) but no viewfinder (that thing that less than 5% use), and sell it for 600$ like the previous 5 serie. Or 1000$ but with IBIS.
This makes no sense. :s
cgarrard: Wow, and a viewfinder, very nice!!! dang
It would cost 200$ less without it though. And when you consider that 90% of people prefer tilt screen over that "looking through a keyhole" viewfinder thingy, it's kind of a bummer, imo.
dcolak: That is doesn't have an EVF is mind boggling.
@ T3 : Good point mentionning the cost of a viewfinder. Because I don't like them (it's like looking through a keyhole), and I don't want to pay 250$ for a piece of hardware that is useless to me.That's why an external viewfinder is the way to go.
I'm tired of people constantly commenting about the lack of built-in viewfinders. It happens that if you look around you, 90% of people taking pictures use the LCD (including some DSLR user !!).
So stop trying to shove your expensive old useless technology to everyone !
IF A VIEWFINDER IS NOT OPTICAL, IT SHOULD BE OPTIONAL ...
Henrikw: I look forward to see how this camera performs with the Canon 1.2 in low light. Could it match or even outperform the 5d mkIII in AF speed and iso?
Nevermind I was wrong.
(unknown member): It seems to be missing an essential (IMV) component: a viewfinder.
Page 8 : "If you want an EVF, you'll have to pay for it. The EOS M3 is compatible with the EVF-DC1 - the same external 2.36 million-dot EVF that was released alongside the PowerShot G1 X II a year ago."
I don't want to pay for a viewfinder, but you do.Well, Canon has already solved the problem !
Is there a way to turn the screen off when you use your smartphone as a remote control ? A button that cycle through "Viewfinder/LCD/OFF" ?
I like making tiimelapses with my Sony via the Play Memories App, but between the use of wifi and the camera's screen beeing always on, my battery barely lasts 2 hours. :(
Since Samsung is listening, and they're actually working on tethering/remote control, maybe DPreview could ask them ...
blue hour: Nice but it lacks 4K, therefore i'd rather choose the LX 100, which has also got a viewfinder.
Panasonic, where is the G 7, by the way ?
4k is premium for you ???
My Nexus 5 was 350$ in january 2014 and it records 3264x2448 @ 65 MBPS. The Snapdragon 800 + Adreno 330 GPU is way powerful enough to do that.
-> Get rid of the tiny sensor/lens combo and replace it with the APS-C sensor and kit zoom from the old Nex 3C that was sold for 350$.
Now you have a camera using only low-to-mid end hardware from 2013, that could have been sold for 600$ with profit, that is perfectly capable of recording 4K (and even more !), and yet you still think it's normal to charge a premium for that ?!
Well I strongly disagree. I would feel cheated if I bought a cheap camera having the exact same hardware as the high-end model, but crippled by firmware.And I would feel equally cheated if I bought the high-end model at twice the price for just one line of code ...
I was mad that marketing allowed that.Now I'm sad to see people submitting themselves to that. :(
AmirhosainD90: So where is long awaited promised "Sony prime FE 85 Zeiss F1.4"?
Damn, I didn't see that coming. What a diabolical plan !Well done, we all look like fools now ... :o
Pablom: Being that the differences in output quality are probably not much, the feature that could really make a difference and push BPG forward is file size. Since nothing about this is mentioned, and probably it is the opposite because of the compatibility with 14 bit, I'm assuming there is no improvement in this area.
The filesizes are written across every single frame ...
And they're really really small, and of way better quality than jpeg2000 at same filesize.
mpgxsvcd: If I had a bunch of Canon glass I wouldn’t even consider buying any other Canon camera but this one.
There. I kept it totally positive.
Yes it does. Through the Metabones EOS/E-mount adapter.
jcmarfilph: Ha another toyzoom from Nikon. No RAW, no hotshoe, 18mega-interpolated pixels and no manual zoom.
I think jcmarfilph is right. Sony is cheating on us with these tiny sensors.They claim they are 1/2.33" 18MP, and I believe they are the same 1/4" 6MP used in Sony Camcorders.That's why they are so good in video (sharp, no aliasing and no moire), but in the meantime they are absolutely awful in photo.
Did you notice that Sony camcorders offer the same "18MP" photo resolution (it was "16MP" in the previous gen, just like the previous gen of cameras).
- 1/4" sensors allow the lenses to be smaller or with a longer zoom range. (x22 in a pocket camera ? Really ?)- 6MP allow them to crop a 2MP 16/9 rectangle in the middle to get 1080p without having to downsize with a crappy and power hungry algorithm. The remaining cropped out pixels are used for software stabilization in addition to optical stab (Sony calls it "Active" Steadyshot). And that also explain why you get a narrower field of view in video mode.
But then, don't we all want very good 6MP cameras ?Well, we have them !
Ponxo: The fastest man in the world with the fastest camera!
Jon Rty,the Nikon 1 shoots 60fps for only 1/2second (30pictures max).The Exilim also shoots RAW at 60fps, but for a full second (60pictures max).
Ian: I'm looking at replacing my Panasonic LX-5 with the G1 x if the larger sensor can overcome the far slower aperture of the G1 x lens in low light, which certainly seems possible. I see you discussed this in relation to the Olympus XZ-1 and Fujifilm X10 but how about smaller advanced compacts like the LX-5 that have fast lenses but comparitively tiny sensors?
I disagree with Bart Hickman.His conversion only applies to depth of field, not light gathering ability.In low-light situation, the canon's f2.8 will "beat" your LX-5's f2 only if its newer and bigger sensor can overcome a full stop of light handicap. Time will tell.
Cheezr: how sad that they skimped on a critical part, the only viewfinder is a lo-res lcd, wtf?the story of jvc products, some good ideas and some bad decisions = below average products.
How Do you know about the lo-res LCD viewfinder ? There's no mention of the resolution in this news.