Ruy Penalva: I think, besides the poor lens inventory, it is not a camera for serious still shooters.
I suspect too. When you hear what the Argentinians sing, it is them that never will forget something that happened in 1990 (cannigia). Since then, Brasil had two WC wins and I think one WC final. Argentina only had one final and zero semi's....It is telltale that argentinians have nothing more to remember than one time a win over Brasil in a WC 24 years ago...Camera rivalry etc...it is with tongiue in the cheeck. Nothing serious, other than Ruy is talking some nonsense to my mind.
Edgar_in_Indy: Thanks for including pictures of kids in the samples gallery!
I'm sure I'm not the only one who first picked up a DSLR to capture pictures of their young children. And even though my photographic interests have broadened, my children still remain my favorite subjects. So when I'm shopping for new camera equipment, I find these types of shots very useful.
Me too. Landscaping, stormchasing etc are not about shallow DOF most of the time..
Edgar_in_Indy: There's a lot to like about the GH4, but coming from Pentax DSLRs (and Olympus before that) it would be tough to lose in-body IS. Too bad Panasonic couldn't find a way to incorporate it on the GH4. There's a lot of great m43 lenses out there without stabilization!
Even if there was an issue with noise from the IS system during video, there's no reason the sensor IS could be turned off for video.
So I don't know if the noise issue had anything to do with it, but I also heard (or read somewhere) that the heatsink on the sensor would have made implementing sensor IS more difficult. (Presumably they took extra measures to insure overheating would not be a problem during heavy video use.)
Thx. English is the world standard, so that must be the reason for many of us overhere being reasonably good at them. In NL we have to learn English from age 12 onwards and nowadays it is age 6-7. At age 12, you can go to a 100% English spoken school. Not some international school, just an average school in an average town anywhere in NL. The constant contact with English via the internet, via television (we do not use voice-overs) etc means you won't lose the ability to speak, read or write it so easy I think.
racin06: I've owned the GH4 for 3 months now and I absolutely love this camera! I shoot approximately 60% video and 40% stills. It's nice to read that Richard believes the GH4 is right on par with the EM-1 in stills quality. However, I'm sure there will be those Oly cultists who will continue to misinform and downplay the stills capability of the GH4. The bottom line...the GH4 is currently the king of micro 4/3 cameras.
Gh4 is not the king. EM1 and GH4 have their strenghts and EM1 is still better in stills from some perspective. most prominent one is the use of 4/3 lenses on it like they are nartive m43s. Especially for those who shoot BIF and sports, that is a big up. Panny has nothing that is usable beyond the 100 mm range. There are more things better on the Oly btw, also other things better on the Panny. IBIS of course is another one. Not having IBIS restricts the use of some lenses to some degree on the Panny....I like the GH4 a whole lot, the best cam I ever had but it is only the best thing for me.
Portuguese/Dutch (born and always lived in The Netherlands btw). So the linguistical connection with Brazil is rather strong. As in Portugal there was already an older Jorge in my familly, my name there automatically was changed in Jorginho. A normal procedure there (and in Brasil too I think).
May be this will win you over:
|Today I took the Gh4 to a football match. I wished wished wished for a 100-250 mm f3.5 lens (or so) that was FAST in focussing (unlike my dogslow 100-300. My 35-100 f2.8 did fine, but the reach is just not good enough...and 150 mm (oly 40-150) is better but I saw 300 mm was so nice....
Yes: DSLRs still have a place!
Might be a tactical decision. Not to let Oly zooms take a foothold in Panny land. Who knows. Also: Oly's IBIS is so good because it is used (first) in Oly's med equipment. It is not that you can just make some IBIS and make it fantastic. Just that Oly or others cannot just up Panny on 4K video.
prossi: Best camera for videographer, no doubt about that! But for landscape, detail and natural look an a6000 does much better in quality due to the best APSC sensor out there.
The Gh4 is not far off at base so it is not a big difference. But the combination of a better sensor when it comes to DR, tonal range, colour sensitivity PLUS 24 Mpixels indeed makes a notable difference. I don't know if there are good lenses for this cam, bit if so it is a better cam for that.
In 2015 Panny/Fuji will finish their organic sensor. I have seen calculations based on the specs currently known and it points to lower noise by several stops. Not just one or two which of course is so much I become very suspiscious about that data...Also, the Dynamic range would be like 14eV. In short: if it is true we are talking about current FF tech on a mFT sensor...Surely we can bump the MPixel count up to 40 Mpixel by then. And if so, it would be wise to split the G-series in a G and Gh. Where the G series would be for everything but film, using the 40 Mpixels and Panny should make a A7s on mFT size with 16 Mpixel or so for extreme low light..But is this real? I'm not holding my breath
Whatever it is, it is clear that the best APS-c sensors are better than the best m43 sensors. So for your shooting it is very nice to have such a good cam!
To give a little more perspective 1129 vs 791 is about 1/2 stop. And 442 vs 791 is just short of a stop. It is better to look at the graphs DxO gives us and look at them. In this case I think half to 2/3s of a stop difference in noise is also what you can expect based on the size difference. It is surely helfpul, but when you really need a flash it won't solve the problem I think.
I understand Timur. Would the 25 mm f1.4 Panaleica work btw? That is two stops and 25 mm seems to be reasonable. A7s comes to mind, but I don't think it is good at subjecttracking (just my presumption btw). Otherwise a FF DSLR seems to be the best option currently if you want to shoot at ISO1600.3200, have good IQ and zoomlenses that are also up for the task.
"Unpredented" = "unprecedented" (Introduction page, first alinea) I think.
My Italian got the better of my Spanish...Maturo is Maduro in Spanish/Portuguese...It means "to become ripe, to mature"
So it is:
Ruy,Tell me how it feelsNot to have a real cameraI swear, even though the years passI will never forgetG1 was the firstThe system maturedToday the Gh4is the best of all...
It goes without saying that these are not my real thoughts, just kind of fun. From a Portuguese to a Brasilian and why not use Brazils favourite song ;-)
Here is Brazils topsong, summerfavourite of all time where mine is based on. Song to them by their loving brothers, the Argentinians..
GRUBERND: i find most astonishing that the Panasonic G6 is just a small GH4 with a few less buttons, a slightly less powerful cpu and lacking some video-tools. but it spits out the same quality of still images at almost the same rate and precision.
hence i declare the G6 one of the most underestimated camera these days.
PS: fixing the broken studio-testscenes (found two images) and the missing LowLight charts (except iso200) for the G6 would really be cool. =)
Grubernd...I do a lot of weatherphotography. Stormchasing in The NEtherlands also snowchases (yes, driving to blizzards is fun to me! Unfortunately they are rare here). Sunsets of course. So I used these cams side by side and with sunsets the difference was mindblowing to me with the EPL5. I could not believe the difference. Not that it was so big. But when you expect zero difference and you see the highlights are identical where the shadows in the EPL5 are simply dark and the Gh4 are well lit, that is strange to see. And it is a consistent difference. GH2 and EPl5, also with the G1 once (stormchasing in 2012)...G1 os so bad. Ouch. GH2: much better. Epl5...easily better with much nicer colours. GH4: well you know by now. I did expect much better IQ ehn I got Gh2 over G1 and so I was not surprised. EPl5: did not by it for better IQ, so was really surprised how much better it is. GH4...again, over EPl5...nothing expected, but easily visible. DxO seems to be really right I have to say.
Ruy..decime que se siente....no tener un verdadero camera..Juro....aunque pasan los anosnunca va a olvidarEL G1 fue el primeroY el systema maturoGh4 el mejor camera de todos hasta hoy...
Boss of Sony: Tried it in the shop. Definitely feels nice in the hand. Pity about the 4/3 sensor.
@ rinkos...we understand your panic attack really well. Strength, brother!
nunatak: Panasonic has done a nice job with this camera. Nikon could stand to learn from Panasonic's engineering ... including better battery performance, focus peaking/zebra, and 4K too.
kudos to Panasonic for delivering such a high value product at such a low price point.
Eh....are you talking RAW or JPG. RAW: sensor was the problem. Solved with GH2 at lower ISO. JPG: used to be a sensor + Panny problem. With the GH3 if there was a problem it was Panny's, because I have the identical sensor in my Oly and it did not have any problem. With GH4 I still favour Oly a slight bit, but it is very close and even depends on what I shoot...
The High ISO terrible colours are gone, at least to my mind. Much much improved.
RickPick: Just noticed a couple of small mistakes in the comparison chart above - you call the GH3 "GM3" - and the GH3 actually does support time code. Trivial, I know. Thanks for giving the camera a full review, I know you got some stick (Brits will understand) for your comparison with the A7S.
@ Richard...if you really tested it, you could have made some really valuable comments on DFD and Panasonics current lens lineup.I don't know which lens you used, but my 35-100 f2.8 with C-AF focusses on birds etc really well. My 100-300 does not. The 45-175 however did and the 45-200 again was no match for the DFD. It failed. It is also nice to see how important DFD + lens is as a combinaiton. So would Oly lenses work? I used the 45 f1.8 and yes it worked. It worked better than the two bad Panny ones above. So your readers would not only know about the theoretical part, but also the practical part. Like I said (and I can show it): I did AF-c with the GH4 at ISO 25600 in pitch dark shooting cars that drove straight away from me. Teh thing CDAF like systems love to hate. And it had a 50% hitrate. I think that is pretty impressive.
Kevylloyd: What about focus speed in low light ?(better than any other camera I've used). What about focus speed with none dfd capable lenses? Still very fast from what I've read elsewhere. Ok so DFD might not be all that you expected per Pany's claims, but regardless I'd be surprised if many mirrorless cameras are as fast in aquisition.The AF performance section of this review seems to be unbalanced and lacking in breadth in my opinion. Perhaps you cover these points elsewhere in the review to some degree, but why not in the AF section?
Otherwise thanks for the review, I love mine for fast, silent, low light shooting especially combined with the stabilized F1.2 Noctiocron!
It is the tracking we all want to know but that is the point you are not going to test? Do you think it is more interesting to see if it does shoot at -4 eV as opposed to -2 eV? Or do you already have data on that, but did not add it here (so no extra testing is required in which case I understand).
Grubernd. Nothing personal, but that is simply not true at all. I only shoot raw. The dynamic range is even better than the one on EPL5 and it is much better than GH2. GH2 and G6 indeed are the same sensor. But the jump came with GH3 (SOny sensor) than GX7 (panny) and then GH4 (a bit better again). It is dynamic range, much better retaining natural colour at higher ISO;s. much better tonality . Somewhat better noise (here the difference is not so big). These are different sensors using a different technology and you can read what is different technically too. Finally: DxO gives you a good indication how much better the RAW out of the GH4 is. I note it best btw at base ISO and a bit up. Which is what most people will be doing the most anyways...