marc petzold: The tech specs are impressive - especially the AF system, not only 15fps with af tracking at full 28MP resolution, but also it can go down to -4 EV, from what ive seen into the NX1 video.
Sony A6000? Nice...but the NX1 is so much better...a DSLM never have been that fast yet, even faster then Canons EOS 1D X with 12fps...can't wait for the dpreview test...competition is always great, for further developments and price reduction...and by the way: cheaper as the panasonic Lumix GH4, and *if* the video quality is equal in 4k...we have another winner here... ;)
BarnET: the pointis that a P&S also beats any APS-c sensored cam, so your point towards the N1 is also true for any APS-c sensored cam (or mFT for that matter).COmpared to the D4s any APS-c cam will have "crappy" images.It is all relative. Read this statement of OP here: "a DSLM never have been that fast yet, even faster then Canons EOS 1D X with 12fps..."That is simply incorrect. A Nikon 1 did. Whether someone deems it not good enough is not to the point. SOmeone who shoots FF can easily say that about the NX1 (in all likelihood).
Akpinxit: impressive , lets wait for RAW samples - 28MP on crop sensor might be bit too ambitioned
It is abit strange that people keep coming up with BSI while I thought it was well known that this is not effective larger sensors.Even the much smaller 1"sensors did not gain anything from the Sony RX100 to the RX100MKIII (former without, latter with BSI). Why do people expect anything from an even larger sensor? We can't be sure of course, but saying it would rival FF seems baseless.
danieljcox: This camera looks huge along with it's lenses. The upside to the MFT GH4 and others in the MFT category is they are small, light weight and have hit a perfect compromise between size and image quality. I'm not interested in large cameras. If I was I would stick with my Nikons.
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Xorgh: it is well known that bodies won't brng much difference to the table although the GM5 are probably pushing a limit APS-c cannot go.
The difference with mFT is the lenssystem which is quite a bit smaller when we compare them with Samsung. The professional lenses especially. Whether that is or is not important is very personal though. The Samsung lenses seem really good.
yonsarh: Proud to be Made In Korea products.
Black box: a perfectr example of how superficial nationalism and pride can get you.
Also: educate yourself. NL has a similar WWII history. My city was completely demolished by the Germans so using NAZI is a bit painfull when you talk to the Dutch..And of course I am "The Dutch". NL has a history of being one of the big discoverers in the world, inspite of 17 million people is the easily the 20th economy in the world. Is much better at sports than Korea (look at the winter Olympics or the biggest sport in the world). Etc.
I was sitting on my couch when all this greatness happened or not born yet. I do add to our economy prowess via my labour. Damn: I feel so proud now!
Mike Raub: No doubt a fine camera, but not small, not lightweight (with fast kit lens, anyway) and not cheap. It looks huge and heavy compared to the GX-7 + 12-35 F/2.8 I use. Given the necessary sizes for fast lenses for APS and full frame. making a mirrorless body for these formats seems to offer only minor advantages, at least compared with the tiny sizes (of both bodies and lenses) achieved by m4/3.
16-50 mm translates into 24-75 mm on 35 mm. 12-35 mm translates into 24-70 on 35 mm. That is a constant way of comparing. Sensorsizes depend on bodies and will differ signifcantly through time. That is why the appropriate way is to compare to a universal standard and not a nonstandardised ever changing comparison like MPixels on a sensor somewhere in time.....
Plastek: I buy a system. A body is one thing, lenses are the obvious and much mor eimportant other part. m43 lenses are MUCH smaller than any DSLR lens especially when I want to reach some good FL.Also: I prefer an EVF over an OVF. I also like an electronicshutter, I like a timelapse machine that does not wear out the globalshutter you see. I like 4K video too and shoot it a lot. So which DSLR to chose from?? None.
BarnET...RX1 is a P&S. Any APS-c cam coming close to that IQ? No.Nikon 1 is a mirrorless cam just liek any other. Whether the IQ is to your liking or not is another subject. It uses interchangable lenses and it has the best C-AF, also better than this Samsung.
Also: BSO CMOS etc IS impressive? Really? WHere are the reviews. Let us first see how it pansout in reality. A clue might be RX100 (non BSO) vs RX100III (with BSi). The IQ difference according to DxO: barely there and not significant.
Politcal correctness has nothing to do with the issue. It is a term used by people who see themselves as freethinkers etc.In this case, it is even completely the opposite. Most nationalism and pride is strongly supproted by politics and it is highly incorrect to ( for example in the USA) say that you are no patriot and not proud of America. And so it is in many other nationalist countries.If you did nothing to achieve a thing, what is there to be proud of? Other people did this. Whether they live within some political borders or outside of it: it was not you. Likewise, current Germans or Japanese have no guilt for what their ancestors did in 40-45. They did not do this and should feel nothing personally. Nationalism, pattriotism is not based on ratio and emotion and rarely leads to anything good. In the end it makes attrocities possible and acceptable as it contrasts with a rationa and critical view on what people in your country do to others.
Any reviews that show us that this cam is better than any other cam? A spec sheet is only that. Besides: Nikon V3 is at 20 fps. So yes a DSLm has been faster than that and we know the Nikon does very well also.
The specs look good if not impressive on paper, but before we pass any judgement it is essential to see how these pan out in real life.
What did you do to get this cam come to life other than being born in Korea, a feat you had nothing to do with and have done nothing for. Wherever people are born, somehow they are proud of it. I think it is better not to think like that, there is nothing good about being born anyway in a sense that it says something about who you are. Luckily not. Of you were bron inJapan, you would be as proud etc.
tkbslc: Cool camera, but who is going to buy it? This has sports and action photographer written all over it, but they have no long glass.
Sigh.....Samsung regardless of what product they come out with will currently never even come remotely close of leaving a 7D MK2 in the water (dead and burried). You have no clue how the photography world works. The best thing this cam can do is getting their system mor eand more traction. Which they still need after 4 years, but okey. If the sensor is really okey and the body well excecuted, it could get Samsung on the right track...
In contrast with some others I do think that we have still an enormous amount of DSLR users with lenses. Ialso think that one of the main reasons for at least them to get to another system is size and weight. DSLRs can do everything mirrorless cmas can do and better when it comes to still photography. Size and weight are the notable differences. But Samsungs choice is simply begating that large group I think. m43s and 1" sensors seem to be a more sensible approach: smaller sensors, still good IQ and in the case of m43s the ame IQ as current Samsung cams. Smaller lenses and lower weight.
I agree. Samsung NX30 and the pro lenses do not seem to offer anything compelling over standard DSLRs actually from size and weight perspective. GH4 with the 12-35 and 35-100 f2.8 is really really nice and much lighter and smaller than almost any other system has to offer (well the only one wth those lenses). Gh4 is a very fine cam and suprisingly the batterylife is one of the big pluses. I would have preferred a very similar G7 though....(smaller body!).
In europe we do not pay in pounds. We pay in Euro in general.
Summi Luchs: I see the 4/3 sensor walking. Since its introduction it walks to ever lower camera classes. It started as DSLR sensors for cameras, that even had some pro ambitions (though not really well accepted by pros). Then, it entered the m4/3 interchangable lens cameras and 4/3 DSLRs were given up. Now it starts to enter the compact camera class.
Not bad, if you look for a capable compact. But the 4/3 world is stuck with the 16.3MP sensor design, that is around for a couple of years. DxO ranks Sony's 1" 20 MP sensor higher, in spite of the 4/3 sensor's larger pixel areas.
Again, it is good news, that the 4/3 is available in compacts now, but I miss the sensor innovation in higher end m4/3 cameras. In the Sony/Nikon/Pentax APS-C world higher end ILCs and DLSRs use higher resolving sensors than entry models and the entry is where the high end was a few years ago.
Does the 4/3 consortium need this walking as they aren't able to improve their sensors ?
FF is walking too. Who complains?
mpgxsvcd: This is probably the single biggest announcement day in photography history.
Quezra: that was a sad day. Because with light came...shadow. That is how all the noise problems started!
Serious Sam: Reading this, the Olympus and Fuji release. It surely make the Panny 35-100 a unique piece of kit in the market. Yes it has its problems but man seems no one is replicating that optical formula.
Having said that you can say Panasonic is the only one getting it wrong because it must omitted something for its size.
Well, I ahve the 12-35 and 35-100 for my Gh4. I think Panasonic did almost everythjing right. T|ogether these two weigh far less than the Oly 40-150 f2.8 on its own. And it is a lot less! 675 gram vs 880 gram....It is also f2.8 and it is usable across the mFT platform as it has OIS whereas the Oly does not.
Samsung Fuji and Olympus all are in a different category when it comes to size and weight. And most m43 users went in it, well I guess, for that. So Panasonic did it different and in a way it should: a difference that matters!
And so on a steady pace Samsung is getting more and more mature. I still wonder what the incentive is to get a Samsung. It seems to do little different than others and also not much better. But another good and usefull lens for the Samsung users!
Poweruser: I expect a price drop for Panasonics 35-100/2.8...
Why? It weighs 360 vs 880 grams. It measures 350 cm3 vs 650 cm. It has OIS whereas the Oly does not. I see easily enough differences that many will see as an advantage to the Panny to not change a thing.
RStyga: We have an 80-300mm F5.6 (35mm equiv.) at 880gr at $1500 (yes, yes, it still has the brightness of F2.8 but *not* that DoF)
I'm not sure that the point made here is very strong. The FF Tamron VC USD 70-300 F4-5.6, 765g, for instance, costs $450. Not WR but at 1/3 of the price one can afford to water damage at least couple before equating the cost. Different system, yes, but exactly because m4/3 is compact, the lens should reflect that.
Such arguments always center around personal preferences. It seems to be a very well designed lens, it uses SHG glass which is very good no doubt. Whether the specs are or are not to your liking is the personal part of the equation and whether f2.8 is important for DOF, for aperature or for both is so too.