At long last. I went back to shooting film last year but still occasionally look into the digital world for a suitable sports and wildlife solution that doesn't cost the price of a nice car. Seriously this is the only new digital camera on the market today that is holding any interest with me.
40daystogo: I'd be happy with a modification to the Leica X2 that adds a zoom lens. I don't need interchangeable lenses, since the Leica Vario-Sumicron zooms e.g. on the LX5 have fast f2.0 apertures.
And even if the price is not immediately affordable, one can always wait about 2 years until the model gets into the 2nd hand market.
The current generation of cameras are, in my view, so good that I'd be happy to pick one up 2nd hand in a few years time. Once you hit 16MP, there's no need to get 24, 36MP. Generally, the top of the range cameras now have reached a plateau where improvements are minor. We ourselves just have to get on with the artistic side now.
I agree, my M8 has more than enough resolution just could do with lower noise in the shadows and better high ISO. You are right about the other stuff as well. I came to the M8 from m4/3 and Fuji X cameras and have found the manual focus only approach to be no handicap whatsoever. We live in a camera world that is obsessed with features but largely ignores the important question of the capabilities such features could bring (or not). I see very few features that actually produce a real capability benefit. Even something like AF is only really a benefit in high end DSLR cameras that can focus really quickly and track subject movement.
You couldn't make this JIF stuff up. If it was actually JIF rather than GIF than in several countries they would end up saying HIF as the J is difficult for some to pronounce. Its as daft as when Unilever changed the name of Jif cleaner to Cif despite forgetting that here Cif sounds like an STD.
Is that weight figure correct? It seems impossibly light for a DSLR of this supposed build including batteries. Its 75g lighter than the very compact K5. Amazing if true.
Draniki: This result isn't blow to prestige of the Canon and Nikon cameras, but blow to prestige of a site DPReview.
I agree with Barry 100% and I am a long term Olympus user, and short term EM-5 owner. Everything good written about the camera is true but equally I feel a lot of the negatives are valid. The first thing one notices actually is how heavy it is for something so tiny (same weight as X-Pro1 but miles smaller) I preferred the ergonomics/usability of my old e-p2 more and would have preferred an update to that camera with the new sensor. Easy to forget as well that both Nikon and Pentax have been selling DSLR bodies with the same or better IQ this year for 1/3 the price of the OMD.
thejohnnerparty: If the quality is there, it is a bargin. Consider the equivalent for a FF (Nikon or Canon) - $2,000+.
Agree 100% with that, its little more than conjecture to try and dream how up much this lens would cost CaNikon to make and frankly it would only be a valid dream question to ask if CaNikon were making it for m4/3, for a completely different system there are just too many variables to consider. Its a bit like the opposite argument which says it should cost 1/2 as much because it has 1/2 the glass/metal without any reference to the engineering tolerances required or optimisation for the systems focusing and image processing.
Kevindar you are right but the point you make is also completely irrelevant. The quality of recent m4/3 lenses is very high with prices to match and clearly there is the demand for them otherwise they wouldn't be made. Right now if someone wants cheap they are better off looking at APS-C based solutions, if they want extreme high ISO performance and subject isolation Full Frame.
noegd: Would be interesting to see how this new 24-70 f/4 compares to Nikon's 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 (which in practice is no different than f/4 constant).
Maximum RR of the Nikkor is only 0.22x, but I'm not sure how many people would use a 24-70 for macro work.
It does if you shoot video and want to zoom during a shot.
NJHr: This camera is currently the bargain of the century here in the UK. The price has dropped down to £319 with the £50 cash back promotion running. I am buying as soon as I have some cash, hello Pentax you got yourself a new customer. I am sure you will make back the money on the limited pancakes I will undoubtedly buy.
Not for me, just not interested in kit zooms. The ltd pancakes are a big attraction for me in Pentax. Having tried m4/3 for a while I got very used to fixed focal length and high quality small light weight lenses. The 15 f4 and 70 f2.4 will be on the shopping list. If I really want to shoot wildlife and sports in all weathers I will save up and get the 300 f4. A friend of mine has used one relentlessly to shoot motorsports for several years.
Thats what I am going for, its a pretty good lens going by its test results for very little money:http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod.php?n=Pentax35mmf2.4SMCDAAL&p=1801
Review and test results on a K5 so should give identical performance on K30:http://www.photozone.de/pentax/598-pentax_35_24
This camera is currently the bargain of the century here in the UK. The price has dropped down to £319 with the £50 cash back promotion running. I am buying as soon as I have some cash, hello Pentax you got yourself a new customer. I am sure you will make back the money on the limited pancakes I will undoubtedly buy.
On the full frame subject the most sensible product would be a full frame Ricoh M mount module for an updated GXR. It would be a niche product but would set that niche on fire for sure. Full frame K mount DSLR, would it tempt me to buy into Pentax? No chance frankly. More good cheap lenses for the K30, K5II might though as there nice cameras.
LaFonte: the zoom with the xpro 1 would come with weight and handling size to the dslr category I tried to escape....
How many dslr bodies weigh 350g or dslr systems have f2.8 zooms only 65.0mmX70.4mm in size?
callaesthetics: not sure what all the complaint is about, but given the price point to sensor size, lens compatibility, accessories, image quality, etc...no other camera comes close. And all this at a small package.
I myself probably won't buy it (my 5d3 does me wonders) but i can see this heading in a potentially great direction.
Because we don't work for Canon?
plastique2: It is interesting to read how different the reasons for disappointment are. And I don't see them all to be logical since Canon most certainly isn't closing the DSLR program - and the EOS-M system isn't trying simply to make the DSLR's two or three sizes smaller. I understand that. But here goes my story of disappointment (and not just with this new Canon system, but with all similar mirrorless systems so far): where is the grip???You can have a camera without a built-in flash. You can have a camera with just 3 fps, with most of the functions accessible only through menus ... but you have to hold the camera in your hand all the time - and without a grip you will soon get cramps in your fingers. So this is my reason for saying: I don't get it!On the other hand: I do get it! - We buy a sophisticated camera only to see it doesn't satisfy us for some reason. So after a while we buy a camera from the other class - hopefully (for the respective company) from the same brand.
With the OMD its exactly the same as it was back in the film days. Grip is separate accessory. If you want to keep it small, like an old film camera with a prime lens then don't fit the grip. If you want to shoot telephoto then fit the grip. Its so simple and neat you couldn't believe that at one time nearly all cameras were made this way yet somehow manufacturers forgot everything that was good pre-digital.