WhiteBeard: I have yet to understand Panasonic's "logic" in opting to sell the G85 - or the G7, in Canada anyway - only as a kit. Many of us who entered earlier into µ4/3 and resisted so far to the bulk and price of the GX8 would be glad to add the GX85 as a second body or as a replacement; why force us to buy a lens we don't need just to make e-bay happy?
So far after 11 months, the G7 is still only offered in a kit in Canada. Strangely enough, while I was looking through my usual online stores list, I found that the Calgary Camera Store offers the GX85 for 1k$ body-only. Surprise! The kit with the 12-32 is only 100$ more. However, the GX8 body only is only about 100$ more also on Amazon.ca... Better to wait a bit.
I have yet to understand Panasonic's "logic" in opting to sell the G85 - or the G7, in Canada anyway - only as a kit. Many of us who entered earlier into µ4/3 and resisted so far to the bulk and price of the GX8 would be glad to add the GX85 as a second body or as a replacement; why force us to buy a lens we don't need just to make e-bay happy?
Gesture: This is the future of enthusiast cameras. Panasonic understands EVF, being the first to create the "digital Nikon FM" so many were crying for yet didn't appreciate what they had once it was created (As with Samsung NX10, NX20 ...), as well as the wonderful integral corner EVFs on compact cameras.
Just like my Nikon P60!!!!!
For Pete's sake, where are you guys going with this? It's not apples to oranges but hamburger and metaphysics! No comparison possible or constructive here...
kierenlon: How do you keep an idiot in suspense?I'll tell you tomorrow
Pentax reminds me of that poor playground joke. It wasn't funny then, it's not funny now.
Boy, can't wait for tomorrow to get the answer! :-)
Maybe I was spoiled looking at recent pics in reviews of Oly 300mm / OM-1 and Pana-Leica 100-400 / GX8 but I am not very impressed by the detail / sharpness exhibited in this gallery; I don't see any that show me the 20Mp sensor flaunting it's stuff.
Angrymagpie: Not sure if anyone has raised this point yet, but while we complain about PEN-F not having weather-sealing, I think it is worth noting that we don't have small fast primes that are weather-sealed in MFT either. So even though the GX8 is weather-sealed, I still wouldn't use it in the rain with the 17/1.8 Oly mounted on it. I guess from a functional perspective, the difference users will experience of PEN-F not having weather-sealing is perhaps very minute. Unless of course you are planning to use weather-sealed lenses like the 12-40/2.8 Oly on the camera, which would no doubt be extremely unwieldy. It would be nice if both Panasonic and Olympus could get their act together and remake their fast prime lenses with weather-sealing, so that the weather-sealing features of their bodies would make a lot more sense.
You'd be surprised about the number of times I have changed lenses in "inclement conditions", for example typical scottish weather (grass is very green up there). I have never had a "weatherproof" camera and have always managed to keep the nasty stuff away with minimal care and common sense. Now, if I had been in an open-sea racing sailboat, I would have wanted a real WATERPROOF camera system. The in-between "weatherproof" approach leaves me a bit cold and puzzled...
Re: Preview posted : 15 Jan 2016Review History29 Jan 2016 First Impression Review based on Pre-Production camera running Firmware 1.00This must be why they call it a preview... Call me picky ;-)
s.seng: I can get my 7" figurine from my local ASDA (Wall Mart ) for £59 ($90).
You apparently missed the part where the 3D picture is made in 1/1000th of a second compared with 12 seconds with the process you mention. That's like comparing a daguerreotype with a digital photo shoot...
mike emerson: What a pig ugly camera. Looks like a Zenit product!
Agreed, but the retro-macho look is getting back in style...
More seriously, do you prefer a camera that looks good around your neck to one that makes your pictures look good and handles well to boot?
Wonderful pictures. Some even look as if they were shot in a studio with the subjects actually posing for the photographer, especially the 3 lion cubs (what a pose!), the meerkats and the chimpanzee.
PedroMZ: Thank you for sharing these images Barney. Time you came back to Blighty and AP
Moving to Seattle from London... At least, the weather should be familiar.
On another note, aside from the historical value, I agree with you that Eldred was an excellent photographer with a keen eye for composition. Did you find any more photos from him?
red fuji: Here is a nice camera bag for this camera
Nikon could bundle up camera and case for 9999,95$; that would be a steal! I predict good sales in Saudi Arabia...
Nick8: Just one thought, not related to this new great camera in particular…In the film era, both the ASA and DIN standards were used for the film sensitivity.100 ASA was equivalent to 21 DIN.I think DIN would have been a far more practical choice. ISO 409,600 would be equivalent to 57 DIN.Another 2 steps in sensitivity from 409,600 and the ISO will become 1,638,400 vs 63 DIN.Certainly that cannot fit on a dedicated dial :)
Actually, the ISO is exactly the old ASA scale with a fancier name. I agree that using the 1024x multiplier would simplify things from ISO 25600 on up keeping a straightforward linear scale when moving to 25k, 50k, 100k, 200k ISO instead of using the DIN log scale which only engineers can love.And to think I was very happy "pushing" my 400 ASA Tri-X film to 800 in the last century...
Just another Canon shooter: Typical Sony. A half-baked high-tech product, an alpha version at best. I have owned too many Sony products like this, the most recent one was a $3K+ Vaio.
I would find this comment a little more interesting if your gear wasn't a cell phone... I do agree, however, that Sony has more work to do with this product but I still think it is on a very good path.
Oh, and this Sony is WAY better than a Samsung cell phone, which ever way you cut it...
PerL: I think it is nice with a very compact FF and the IQ should be impressive. However, I can't see how it gets a higher rating than the Nikon Df, a much more allround capable camera with 10x the lens system. (I would equal the high res of the Sony with the low light performance of the Df)
As for the speed issue, being partly related to the initialization of the lens-camera relationship (to correct distortion, aberrations, etc.), there are 2 solutions:1) Shoot without the lens to gain a few 10ths of a second (less expensive too); or -2) wait for the firmware update that is sure to come along since this is almost certainly fixable and not hardware-related.
falconeyes: A good scientific paper about DFD and an evaluation showing that phase detect and DFD should have similiar performance can be found here:
It is 14 years old ;)
Wonder why they don't just include on-sensor phase-detection like others. Patents? Cost?
bluevellet: What I got after reading 900+ comments:
1. The world's against Sony. To make things right, it's important we all take it easy on this great innovator.
2. Reviews are for advertising products, not to inform people.
3. Reviews should include shout-outs, owner interviews & profiles.
4. All Sony's press releases should be required reading before setting out to write a review.
5. If you went investigating something, only continue if early results are positive. If they're not, stop immediately and speak of it to anyone.
6. If you are seeing something odd, don't write it down in the review. Instead, consult the Internet, ignore all places which confirm the oddity & only focus on resources which ignore it.
7. The review should be randomly peppered with words like "innovative", "revolutionary" and "full frame".
8. Limit specific mentions of competing products as much as possible. Less is better.
9. Self-censorship is a trait of a disciplined mind.
10. Shutter shock is a myth!
Did you pause to ask yourself why there are so many comments? I follow DPR since 2005 and I have seldom seen so many; perhaps this review hit a nerve?
MikeF4Black: It's truly amazing how an objective review of a photographic product from a manufacturer that used to excel at making transistor radios elicits so many heated comments. The term "fanboy" really gets new meaning here.
All very amusing; it certainly makes for an entertaining read.
You obviously didn't examine the studio shots or read the review in detail or the meat of the negative comments. Most of the criticism is based on objective evaluation (and I'm not even a Sony user) and some on real longer term experience with the camera. While there may be a dose of subjective emotion in some comments, I find your own criticism to be gratuitous, ill-advised (Sony makes some of the finest sensors used by many other camera manufacturers) and rather insulting.
68craigdale: The viewfinder is critical part of a camera, I think it is wrong to give any electronic viewfinder such a high rating especially considering their so so performance in low light.
I have worked with good optical viewfinders on my old Minolta SLRs; while they were much better that most, if not all, optical VF in today's APS-C format cameras (they are like looking at the end of a tunnel), I still prefer EVFs. My modest G3 has a very good one and the latest models are much improved. With the amount of customizable info you can add in the EVF, the 100% FOV, the instant review of the shot you have just taken, I even prefer them to the excellent OVFs on FF cameras. Add to that the size/weight advantage...
DT200: We knew this was coming. When the A7 was announce and long before anyone had tried one, these same Sony fans were creating threads in every forum about how it will be the best camera ever. Before ever holding one some were convinced it would get a Gold awards and the highest rating. The facts are different though. When compared to a year old D600, there is nothing the camera does better except that you can attach more legacy lenses to it, but you have to manually focus. Beside the D600 doing everything better, you can attach more legacy lenses that can auto-focus, something the very large majority of camera users prefer (oh and there are a few hundred manual focus legacy lenses in every shape and size that work on the D600 too). It is nice that Sony was able to remove the grip and superior focus system from a DSLR to make a camera smaller, but it adds many severe limitations. When you look at how the camera performs, clearly the A7 should be rated somewhere below the D600.
"clearly the A7 should be rated somewhere below the D600"...if it weren't for the D600's inferior IQ and lack of detail in high ISO JPEG shots. I have neither camera nor do I own any other Sony of Nikon gear; I just analyze the DPR studio shots and come to my own conclusions.