zygh: I think this ranking is a laugh. Where is the RX100? the RX1? These two cameras alone redefined the market as we know it; the future will prove it...The 5D3 and the OM-D shouldn't even be there; the D800 sure, because of it's novelly sheer detail resolving prowness.The RX100 solely gave a new purpose to the pocket camera market, enhanced by a terrific lens.The RX1, need I say, set out a new line of cameras single-handedly.In conclusion I want to say I own neither of these cameras, however the writing is clearly on the wall.
Now if only you would laugh less and read more you would notice that the RX100 and RX1 were included in the poll. You just didn't look low enough near the bottom of it.
The only clear writting on the wall is what type of people such cameras are targeted at. But never mind that. You'll be fine.
Peiasdf: I just searched the term "poll" in the micro 4/3, NEX, Fujifilm X, EOS-1D, Nikon FX forum and limits the result to the last 30 days.
micro 4/3 - 245 resultsNEX - 11 resultsFujifilm X - 10 resultsEOS-1D - 31 results Nikon FX - 30 results
I know m4/3 forum has more people but unless it actually has 3 times the member of NEX, X, Canon and Nikon FF forum put together, I think my earlier statement and many others' statement about forum's mobilization is justified.
A little bit of a straw man argument there if you pardon the accusation.
I looked at those search results for the m43 forum. The thread "best of 2012 Poll" alone has over 80 replies and was created AFTER the end of the poll.
I tried to look at the rest of the search results but I seem to have a bug that limits me to the first 50. So I can't make conclusive statements about it. However I am a forum member and off the top of my head I remember only one thread calling for votes. The rest are oohs and awws about the OM-D competing against the D800. Rightfully so, a lot (me included) didn't expect it to compete at all let alone win.
Bare in mind, the micro four thirds forum is one of the largest forums on Dpreview and probably the fastest growing. And this is even before the times of the OM-D which in itself caused such a stir on the forum as to make some members call for splitting it.
So even if there is forum mobilization, it's nowhere near as large as you make it out to be.
vodanh1982: It makes sense. The OM-D is more affordable so it has more popularity. Full frame owners cannot beat them for vote counts.
yeah and that's why the RX100 won camera of the year in the end.
Oh, wait.. did I say something wrong up there?
Raist3d: I did see at least one call to mobilize people to vote for the OMD-5, so wouldn't be surprised it eked past Nikon due to that in this poll. Not that any of these three cameras are bad, but kinda sad to watch how polls can be shifted.
here we go
tkbslc: I want to be the first knucklehead to mention 34mm f3.6!
Really, though, it sounds awesome, but we do already have 20mm f1.7 which is not all that different.
Tell me about it.
I just can't wait until the day these equivelency trolls finally shutup. Even politics sound more convincing than their claims.
Benarm: hard to compare to RX100 since the studio shots of RX100 are out of focus
Perhaps. I don't know. An issue like that would explain why a lot of very good photographers endorse it and do not report a lens issue.
On the other hand I do have a look at snaps taken by it on forums. It is a great point and shoot but I feel like it's closer to the Canon G15 and other P&S rather than SLRs.
It's a great camera but I can't help but feel it's overhyped.
The RX100 shots are not out of focus. That is really all that compromised camera lens is capable of.
You can crosscheck with imaging resource website and you'll see the same IQ level for the RX100. Which is lacking for me but it seems to have a certain audiance nonetheless.
alexzn: Does DPR want to revise its Silver award rating? I think it was a intake. RX100 is a game-changer in the compact camera category, (even given its flaws). Time is right.
More like DPreview will never succumb to fanboy wet dreams. They'd rather be professional in their work which is why they're more regarded than others.
I can only imagine what DPreview would look like if fanboys had their way.
Here comes the floodgates of fanboy crybabies who still couldn't get over the fact that the RX100 is a silver award camera at best when reviewed by real professionals like DPreview who know what they're doing.
I'm grabbing my popcorn and preparing for the funny crybaby fanboy comments
I think I finally figured out why the V2 looks this way. It totally makes sense.
This is the aftermath of the Fukushima Nuclear Disaster. It's a deformed mutant camera.
So everybody please be polite and stop posting comments on how ugly this camera looks starting right now.
You know what,
I think I want to buy this camera. I figured out a creative exclusive application for it.
I think I can scare little children with it. If paired with that new fast lens it'll be a great tool to make frightened children portraits with. It can be a new theme.
eNo: All these comments about the looks... here and elsewhere... now I really know for sure that people don't buy cameras to take pictures. :)
Well,it's sort of a contradiction when a photographer has a good eye to capture images of beautiful things in life yet doesn't notice he's holding a man made abomination.
Jun2: Good, nobody will steal it.
But somebody might smash it to little pieces when you're not looking. It's that ugly.
Marcin Moscicki: Wow, compared with NEX-7 and the difference in detail/noise is not huge!
Another RX100 kit zoom Nazi
Why are RX100 users so inclined to force system camera users to their kit zooms? has it ever occurred to you that a lot of system camera users don't use nor even have a kit zoom? (I'm one of them).
Your point is the other way around. I can use an f0.95 lens on my NEX7 against your fixed no choice but f1.8 RX100. And then it's the NEX7 ISO200 Vs. RX100 ISO800.
And don't bring the price tag argument up. Canon S100, and Olympus XZ-1 users can bring that argument up and win against the RX100.
Come on Dpreview can't you give us a spoiler and tell us up front if the NEX hybrid Autofocus is lightning fast and effective or not?
A lot of us are dying to know
Honestly the number of comments protesting the Silver rating for the RX100 seems like 70% of the posts.
If Dpreview gave the RX100 a Gold Rating, I'd be the first to post in protest.
The RX100 DOES NOT deserve a Gold Medal. Live with it. The IQ is too much of a compromise to warrant a Gold rating. Sony did not pull any miracles on the RX100. They just comprised the lens a lot so you'd get high ISO performance in exchange for low lens performance thinking there would be a good market for it and they were right. People can see high ISO performance but they cannot see lens compromise.
This goes with the GM marketing slogan: Give them leather, they can smell it. Who cares about overall performance.
You can always count on Dpreview to give a professional review and never miss a beat. Nikon D800, NEX7, Nikon V1, they always give a proper well judged rating and never yield to fanboys.
If you want fanboy rating with Gold and Platinum there are plenty in the web
highwave: After having a look at the IQ of the RX100 I personally concluded the same things I did about it when I looked at the IQ on the Imaging Resource Website. Namely:
Lens isn't sharp at the edges and not terribly impressive anywhere else either
Surprisingly noisy images at low ISO
Surprisingly low noise images at high ISO
Overall noise signature of this sensor is very beautiful
Colors get washed out very quickly as ISO rises
The sensor does not outperform the old 12MP m43 sensor. It doesn't even out perform the Nikon 1 sensor. At least not in color retention in high ISO. You can forget about competing against more modern m43 sensors or even APS-C sensors.
More than happy to hear other thoughts on this (except people claiming the RX100 has a 3 full stop noise advantage over the 12MP m43 sensor. Yeah you know who you are)
I looked at both 100% crops and computer screen resize. Either way my IQ observations hold. As a matter of fact, noise and color washing out are even more obvious when you don't look at 100% crops
Sure the camera is small but the point is how much are you willing to compromise on IQ for Pocketability? You can slip a PEN with a prime in your pockets. Bulky but at least you'll get good IQ. That's the whole point of paying $$$ after all. Not pocketability.
Yes, this is what I expect from such a small sensor (i.e. rivals Nikon 1). Unfortunately the vast majority of RX100 seem to think it rivals Full Frame Nikon D800. Just have a look at the majority of posts here.
I wouldn't say the difference between the NEX7 and the RX100 isn't huge. I would say it is. As a matter of fact I would say it's very huge considering that the NEX is a system camera not a fixed lens camera like the RX100.
Even at ISO200 and not pixel peeping at all the image from the NEX7 shows its class against the RX100. Pump up the ISO to 3200 and even the lines are hardly defined on the RX100. Let alone competing with the NEX7 in detail retention at that ISO.
Add to all this, you can stick a razor sharp lens on the NEX7 which you can't do with the RX100 (you're stuck with that OK lens) and then comparing the two is really pointless.
The gap between the NEX7 and RX100 is at the very least as large as that between a FF sensor and the NEX7. And this is not considering the factor of using high quality lenses.
Now this is my opinion and what I see. If you don't see that then you're making the right choice in choosing this camera over cameras like the NEX7.
I can see what kind of an audience this camera appeals to
After having a look at the IQ of the RX100 I personally concluded the same things I did about it when I looked at the IQ on the Imaging Resource Website. Namely: