Intermittentoverexposure: I shot the GX8 last weekend. Couple of takeaways:
1. Continuous AF is worthless, same as every other m4/3s (yes, including the E-M1)
2. This system is just as borked as the original 4/3s - if you have a body this big, use a bigger sensor
3. Panny 12-35mm has equivalent IQ to Fuji 18-55
The search for an MILC that can replace DSLR continues. Next up, Fuji X-Pro2. I would be excited for the A6300, but just as with Olympus, I expect the menu system to be unusable. It's really too bad about the Sigma - would it really be that difficult to offer a bayer sensor version of the new Quattro? 5 stars for tech, zero stars for real world where ISO is important.
Thumbs up if you think the above is a troll
I don't see why all the negativity on this comment board.
Basically Dpreview made previous Polls that categorized photography products pretty well (Best SLR, Best Mirrorless, Best Lens..) for all those who want that categorization they can go there and check it out.
This one particular poll does serve a purpose. It, in a way, reveals future camera industry tends. So far from the polls it seems consumers really want fast zooms (a la Sigma F1.8), prefer better camera features over sensor size (Pentax K3 beating FF SLRs and E-M1 beating Sony A7) and mirrorless seems to be the future trend (EM-5 winning last year and E-M1 seems to have it in the bag this year).
I really wish people would show more appreciation to Dpreview for making such a poll instead of whining. If you don't like it don't read it. Having said that, it is actually clear why people whine. Just because your Nikon D7100, or your Sony A7r, or whatever make or brand didn't make it you shouldn't act like a child about it.
KariIceland: My opinion on the last years "winner of the year" the OM-D as an OM-D owner myself and having purchased it AFTER seeing that article:I have owned this camera for almost a year now and in NO way did it deserve camera of the YEAR, neither does this camera, the X100s or X-pro 1Deserved last years win in my opinion & this year?Who knows who deserves the win but NOT this that is for certain.
well I purchased the same camera in question as soon as it was announced and ready to ship and it's sitting at my desk staring back at me as I type this knowing it's my darling and it's the best camera I've ever had and having it now for a year and a half I don't want to trade it for another.
So, tell me, why is your opinion any more informative than mine?
highwave: for all those criticizing Dpreview's way of categorizing cameras
Please blow off
They seem to be very very logical categories to me and this constant line of "comparing apples to oranges" claimed time and time again by so many monkeys on these forums is getting so tiring. I'm pretty sure if you were to compare the Canon 650D to the Canon 700D, one of these monkeys will quickly jump parroting "apples to oranges"
The Dpreview categorizations are fine and very informative and I sure can forward to those asking me about cameras.
Go get a life. Or at least go get some real "apples" and "oranges" and give me a break.
I sort of put that "rude" word hoping you would catch on to it and use it against my comment. Now in my comment I used the exact same words you used in your comment to Dpreview Staff "arbitrary, subjective, pointless" yet I used those words to reply to a post you spent probably about 5 minutes writing while you used those exact same words to comment on Dpreview Staff's work who I'm sure spent a considerable amount of time working on. So if you thought those words were rude to your quick post, how rude do you think they were to Dpreview Staff?
I'm not here to put anyone down, but I really do appreciate hard work and I think others should too.
(unknown member): These categories are so overlapping, arbitrary, and subjective as to be pointless.
I appreciate DPR's hard work, but I think this comparison/review is meaningless.
How many would prefer for DPR to spend their efforts elsewhere, such as for cameras long-overdue for review?
Don't mean to be rude, but the only thing I read so far on this link that's "arbitrary, subjective, and pointless" is your post.
Dpreview's work is fine and much appreciated at least by me and for the people I will forward the link to when they ask me "what camera should I buy". Saves me a lot of time explaining things to them.
for all those criticizing Dpreview's way of categorizing cameras
popcorn... soda ...
*pop* may the equivalency wars BEGIN!
nofumble: Supersize your sensor please
the APS-C market is already crowded with makers (Sony, Fuji, Canon, Samsung) all with excellent choices.
Leave the m43 system for those of us who want a smaller system due to smaller lenses with minimal compromise.
highwave: Dear Dpreview Staff,
could you please please Pooolllleaaaaaasse, comment on the Fuji X overstating ISO on JPEGS? I didn't see any mention of it in your review (sorry if I missed it)
There are numerous claims by very credible photographers on Dpreview forums that Fuji is overstating JPEG ISOs on their Xtrans sensors (i.e. the camera tells you it's ISO6400 where it's really more like ISO4000 on other cameras for instance)
Unfortunately no credible reviewers (such as yourself) ever comment on this as far as I know.
Sure would help a bunch to hear from you about it.
Thanks in advance.
I don't know how I missed that.
Think I should stop reading reviews at 1 AM in the morning :)
Dear Dpreview Staff,
I figured it out!
This is the greatest marketing scheme in the history of camera.The Leica marketing department is Genius!
This camera was just created to hypermarket the Leica M!
Think about it; it must have cost them next to nothing in development cost (it's practically a repainted Leica X2 with a glued on Tamron Lens and they won't lose much money supporting all 3 people who will buy it) yet it's getting near 500 replies on its debut day!
And the replies are basically "Why didn't Leica stick to the M system" That's the cheapest hyper-advertisement I can ever think of.
Not even the D800 and OM-D of last year garnered this much attention.
RichRMA: $1000 and you can't change the lens. Why would anyone considering spending that kind of money (or less even) give up that ability? Don't say "pocketability" because an Olympus E-PM2 (has OM-D sensor) with a Panasonic 14mm pancake will kick the c--- out of this Nikon and be able to change lenses, for FAR less money.
I'm totally with you on the E-PM2+14mm making more sense (it's even a bit faster at f2.5 negating any sensor size advantage if even there)
But to be fair, the Nikon A still lays much flatter than the E-PM2+14mm. Just check it out here:
and this is even without accounting for the lens cap which further makes the E-PM2 even fatter.
Integrated lens allows for such tight designs that interchangable lens cameras just don't seem to compete with now.
This camera is growing on me more and more every time I look at it.
Darn you Olympus, did you have to go and make such a pretty Camera? don't you understand a lot of us need to save money? Even the white version glitters like it's made out of pearls or something. And I'm a guy!
Thank God, they omitted the EVF, else my bank account would be taking a blow.
Yet who knows. Maybe if it drops a lot in the next few months, and my used OM-D doesn't suffer so bad on the used market, I might even go for it. I like the EVF but I think I can live without it.
ybizzle: Buy a Fuji X100s for less and call it a day. I did. ;)
And then duct tape the long range zoom lens you need you'll be set.
I've been going over how Oly could have integrated the EVF and flash in the E-P5 and made it into a direct competitor of the NEX7 (at least form wise) and I think other than losing the mode dial, there just isn't enough space to include EVF and flash. It also seems that the aspect ratio of the APS-C sensor for the NEX7 played to its advantage where both the LCD and EVF are a bit flatter.
You can check out what I'm talking about here: (yes these guys already put up the E-P5)
Also check out how ridiculously huge the GH3 is in comparison.
Surprising, the more I think of what the NEX7 achieved way back then in terms of design, the more I realize how revolutionary it was. And this is coming from someone who owns an OM-D and would never buy an NEX due to the lens lineup failing to impress.
Having said all this, wow I love that E-P5. That 2X2 dial setup is exactly what I want. And the form and design is just amazing.
As of this post this cinema camera generated 60 posts while it's more expensive 4K sibling with rolling shutter generated 5 posts
That's 12X more posts for this little thing.
I wish I wasn't such a newb on cinema cameras so to figure out why it generates such interest.
I think this picture bellow tells the whole story that needs to be told:
Basically it's not all about the height/width of these small cameras that matters the most. It's the depth. And as clearly seen in the picture above, this is just another fat SLR camera regardless of its height/width.
I mean, just look at the current Fujis. Those are chunky mirrorless cameras no smaller than a typical SLR in height/width. But with a prime they are still considered small laying flat saving space.
When you get something like a typical micro four thirds and slap on the magnificent 20mm f1.7, you can easily through it in your slingbag and it totally disappears. Even the relatively largish OM-D E-M5 can be slipped into cargo pants.
Now go and try doing stuff like that with this so called mirrorless competitor SLR.
No cake Canon. I was hoping for some spectacular creativity. This camera is just downright lame.
And let this be a lesson to all those camera manufacturers out there. Either stop making hideously ugly cameras or we will vote with our money and kill it off for you anyway.
Are you hearing this Nikon V2 team? You're next ..›:<
I didn't say don't try anything new I said don't introduce hideously ugly products.
What's ugly is ugly and there is no two ways about it. Same thing carries in the auto industry. Ugly cars lose sales so bad that sometimes they have to modify the looks.
marike6: People seem to love to make fun of this camera, but it's actually an extremely capable shooter, and has better IQ than most of the mirrorless cameras on the market.
The design is not for everybody, but anytime you get the urge to snicker at a K-01, perhaps go on Flickr and browse some images from it. I'm guessing if you do see it's output, you'll start thinking about it's quirky looks and how it might not be so bad after all.
Yes outvoted as per the dpreview poll.
And I'm not talking about your openion I'm. Talking about popular vote. And no Dppreview isn't solitary either.
And my reference of the D800 to the pentax is pointing out IQ isn't everything. I have no idea where you got therest of your claims. Now who's worried about his gear being outclassed ?