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Baaaah

This camera is growing on me more and more every time I look at it.

Darn you Olympus, did you have to go and make such a pretty Camera? don't you understand a lot of us need to save money? Even the white version glitters like it's made out of pearls or something. And I'm a guy!

Thank God, they omitted the EVF, else my bank account would be taking a blow.

Yet who knows. Maybe if it drops a lot in the next few months, and my used OM-D doesn't suffer so bad on the used market, I might even go for it. I like the EVF but I think I can live without it.

And then duct tape the long range zoom lens you need you'll be set.

I've been going over how Oly could have integrated the EVF and flash in the E-P5 and made it into a direct competitor of the NEX7 (at least form wise) and I think other than losing the mode dial, there just isn't enough space to include EVF and flash. It also seems that the aspect ratio of the APS-C sensor for the NEX7 played to its advantage where both the LCD and EVF are a bit flatter.

You can check out what I'm talking about here: (yes these guys already put up the E-P5)

http://camerasize.com/compact/#33,459,381,ha,b

Also check out how ridiculously huge the GH3 is in comparison.

Surprising, the more I think of what the NEX7 achieved way back then in terms of design, the more I realize how revolutionary it was. And this is coming from someone who owns an OM-D and would never buy an NEX due to the lens lineup failing to impress.

Having said all this, wow I love that E-P5. That 2X2 dial setup is exactly what I want. And the form and design is just amazing.

As of this post this cinema camera generated 60 posts while it's more expensive 4K sibling with rolling shutter generated 5 posts

That's 12X more posts for this little thing.

I wish I wasn't such a newb on cinema cameras so to figure out why it generates such interest.

+ it would be ripped apart from the current m43 players anyway. I mean just look at how well Olympus and Panasonic compete against these APS-C supposedly superior mirrorless cameras. You can only imagine how even more embarrassing their performance would be if they used a similarly small sensor.

I suggest you go to the m43 forum and do a search on false ISO OM-D and get your "facts" straightened. This topic has been beat to death and is now boring to debate.

And you don't need to read anything a out Olympus JPEGs they're there in front of you in the comparison tool where it clearly beats the Nikon.

Maybe you should stop reading so much and focus more on comparing things by yourself. It doesn't seem many are seeing the"details" you're seeing.

@ marike6

I think Neodp was talking about RAW. If he was talking about JPEGS he would've said the new m43 (Olympus) were trouncing the D7100 because Olympus generally has an amazing JPEG engine that beats competitors with better sensors.

And he's right about the RAW comparison. He said "about the same" IQ. Which it is. The chroma noise is there you're right, but out of the running? It's hard to see the difference to begin with. And that Olympus false ISO card has been played so many times it's boring by this stage. Your scaling argument doesn't hold either. APS-C is 3/2 and m43 is 4/3. The pixel pitch is very close to each other considering most of those extra pixels go to the aspect ratio difference. This is evident just by looking at the images.

And please, don't start with the K-5 IIs RAW NR. Just keep in mind this argument can go both ways.

D5200 DxO class leading high ISO sure. But by what margin? is that difference even visible? According to DxO themselves it's less than 1/10 of a stop over the D7000 and you can hardly see 1/3 a stop difference let alone 1/10.

Now I admit the D5200 has breathtaking dynamic range advantage at high ISO over competitors. But that's not what you stated.

And are we looking at the same images when you state non equal D7100 detail through ISO? Now you could have said the kit lens Dpreview used was crappy and holding the D7100 back, but really? non equal? Pentax K-5 IIs? NEX-5R? The list can go on but I think it's up to you by this point.

Really, if anything it's just a surprise how lowly the D7100 is performing considering the DxO score backings. Not that the DxO scores suggested any real world visible margin to begin with. You did.

I think I love my OM-D E-M5 even more now

I think this picture bellow tells the whole story that needs to be told:

http://3.static.img-dpreview.com/files/news/5148234552/Comparison1.jpg?v=2028

Basically it's not all about the height/width of these small cameras that matters the most. It's the depth. And as clearly seen in the picture above, this is just another fat SLR camera regardless of its height/width.

I mean, just look at the current Fujis. Those are chunky mirrorless cameras no smaller than a typical SLR in height/width. But with a prime they are still considered small laying flat saving space.

When you get something like a typical micro four thirds and slap on the magnificent 20mm f1.7, you can easily through it in your slingbag and it totally disappears. Even the relatively largish OM-D E-M5 can be slipped into cargo pants.

Now go and try doing stuff like that with this so called mirrorless competitor SLR.

No cake Canon. I was hoping for some spectacular creativity. This camera is just downright lame.

@hugo808

I didn't say don't try anything new I said don't introduce hideously ugly products.

What's ugly is ugly and there is no two ways about it. Same thing carries in the auto industry. Ugly cars lose sales so bad that sometimes they have to modify the looks.

@ marike6

Yes outvoted as per the dpreview poll.

And I'm not talking about your openion I'm. Talking about popular vote. And no Dppreview isn't solitary either.

And my reference of the D800 to the pentax is pointing out IQ isn't everything. I have no idea where you got therest of your claims. Now who's worried about his gear being outclassed ?

Good.

And let this be a lesson to all those camera manufacturers out there. Either stop making hideously ugly cameras or we will vote with our money and kill it off for you anyway.

Are you hearing this Nikon V2 team? You're next ..›:<

Goes to show you that IQ isn't everything in a camera

Just look at how the OM-D outvoted the D800 for camera of the year as another example of this fact

Very nice camera

The X100 was amazing since the day it was released. Now they even went and made it much much better. Fuji really scored a home run with this camera this time. Well almost a home run. I sure wish it was a bit cheaper. As it is now, one would think twice for that price tag considering the competition.

oh one more thing. I'm just amazed that after all these years since it was introduced, it still looks stunning to the eye. The looks didn't dull down at all.

same here

preordered it as soon as it was available for preorder

funny thing. back then everyone would chop off their right hand in claims of it using the Panasonic G3 sensor without doubt. What a surprise it turned out to be looking back now.

What's even funnier, I bought it thinking it had the G3 sensor and was more than satisfied. Big surprise to see what kind of beast it turned out to be.

the NEX6 was included in another Poll conducted by DC.Watch

The OM-D won that one as well and the NEX6 wasn't even in the top ten.

can we include color categories too?

I think the Nikon J2 would wipe the floor of FF in these categories with its gummy bear selections.

Now if only you would laugh less and read more you would notice that the RX100 and RX1 were included in the poll. You just didn't look low enough near the bottom of it.

The only clear writting on the wall is what type of people such cameras are targeted at. But never mind that. You'll be fine.

A little bit of a straw man argument there if you pardon the accusation.

I looked at those search results for the m43 forum. The thread "best of 2012 Poll" alone has over 80 replies and was created AFTER the end of the poll.

I tried to look at the rest of the search results but I seem to have a bug that limits me to the first 50. So I can't make conclusive statements about it. However I am a forum member and off the top of my head I remember only one thread calling for votes. The rest are oohs and awws about the OM-D competing against the D800. Rightfully so, a lot (me included) didn't expect it to compete at all let alone win.

Bare in mind, the micro four thirds forum is one of the largest forums on Dpreview and probably the fastest growing. And this is even before the times of the OM-D which in itself caused such a stir on the forum as to make some members call for splitting it.

So even if there is forum mobilization, it's nowhere near as large as you make it out to be.