Chris Weller: In my opinion this camera appeals most strongly to those who want ONE camera that can do everything very well, but not class leading.
Good autofocusHigh MPReasonable FPSGreat DR4k Video - and probably stills pullsExcellent Low Light for sensor resolutionLight(ish), small(ish)All the latest tech.
But, if you are someone like me who has a SYSTEM including multiple camera's, a wide assortment of lenses, with the exception of 4k, I can pull any specific camera and lens combo for a particular type of photography and it will perform better than this Sony. The D4s and D810 and D750 are better for sports (autofocus and or frame rate), the D810 is better for Landscapes (real raw 14 bit), The D4s is better for Low Light. The D810 is better for Fashion and Portraiture (real raw 14 bit is very, very important for the best skin tones) etc....
This is a really nice Jack of All Trades Camera, but it is not the best at anything and it's current lens line up cripples it.
To me this is not a jack of all Trades camera but a dedicated landscape camera,
As for lenses, yes, very limiting if you only count the Sony FE, but I consider it opposite, almost every single SLR lens and most of the range finder lens can be used on this one, exactly why I am going to do, use all my Canon, Nikon Zeiss, Voigtlander lenses, I am not even planning to buy one single Sony lens. every lens in my house works on this camera, I can't do that with my Canon and Nikon body, so I will say it's the most complete and versatile "system" as far as lens is concerned.
Jonathan F/2: I had an A7 and returned it. I love mirrorless, but all the great advantages of the format go out the door with the bigger sensor in terms of both camera and lens sizes. If someone wants to go FF, I think they are better off getting a FF Canon/Nikon and any of the Sigma 24/35/50 Art lenses.
I have been playing with Mirrorless since Panasonic GF2 days then moved on to Sony NEX7, and recently played with A7R quite a bit, but up until this point, I just can't find myself falling in love with this format, my favorite camera still the Canon 1-series and D3 series, I have 4 of those and use it everyday, even my D800E is a little uncomfortable to shoot with so I added vertical grip to make it a little bit more comfortable but still sucks comparing to 1DS3 and D4, just not a fan of the tiny body, hand grip, operation, and EVF of this new format, at least not yet, may be one day they stop making pro SLR body I will be forced to use the mirrorless as my main camera.
DaveBowman: All that resolution and they still give you a crappy bit of rubber for an eyepiece shutter. Some things never change, like Canon not listening to feedback. Glad I moved away.
LOL, yeah that eyepiece cover.....one thing you have to have a 1 series to have that "feature", oh, you can't even buy a 1D with 50 MP.
Giclee1: This is tough! First camera purchase in a looong time. 7DII or 70d? Coming from an incredibly awesome 1dsMkII (an antique according to some on this forum), those two cameras would be a nice change in weight. Go full frame or APS? I would like to hear if anyone has shot both, what they feel like.
My absolute must haves (coming from the 1ds) 1) Dead on AF; 2) excellent RAW images; 3) Fast AF; 4) excellent metering.
I am not a pixel peeper, I shoot, crop, color correct, and publish, I don't dick around with looking for differences in shadow detail, otherwise I wouldn't be able to process almost 18,000 images last year...Thanks!
If low ISO is your thing, then for sure it won't meet your #2 requirement of your list, it has the image quality almost as good as the 5 year old Nikon entry level at ISO 100. This cam is all about high ISO and AF. Myself also a 1Ds2 and 1Ds3 and d800E owner in the market for a new sport cam to replace my 1D2, but the low ISO IQ really turns me off. I may still get one if nikon doesn't come out with a equivalent body in few months, it's always a trade off, you can't get the IQ of FF out of a crop sensor, I wish at least I can get a new camera with excellent AF system with a best possible IQ that current technologies has to offer and this camera is lacking in this particular area.
mickeybphoto: Wow! This is kind of embarassing. Not lookin too good for 7D mkII.
For those shoot in the cave will find the high ISO on this new 7D 2 pretty impressive, it's only for those who don't shoot high ISO will find this brand new camera is almost as good as the 5 year old Nikon with the Sony sensor, LOL
andymuns: All i can say is have look at this.... http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-7D-Mark-II-versus-Pentax-K-3-versus-Nikon-D7100___977_914_865A $1800 camera should have a better sensor then Canon Eos 7d Mark II has...
Actually you don't need to quote any review site, anyone shoots with both recent Canon and Nikon already know how the Canon sensor lacking behind, but of course in Canon forum this is no issue, just like years ago in Nikon forum no one wants a FF, LOL,
Potemkin_Photo: As usual, the Japanese "differentiate" their line-up by putting one feature and taking out another. Have a touchscreen in the 70D but leave it out on the 7D just for sake of "differentiation." I guess they will be laughing all the way to the bank when fanbois go ahead and buy both because they must have both features.
I for one happy they didn't include the touch screen and tilt LCD on it, so I will pre-order mine. and one thing I saw is "missing" from this camera is it has a similar 70D sensor not a Sony sensor, also i wish it doesn't have a built in flash too just like all my 1D series but I just can't have everything the way I want so I still going to pre-order it.
brelip: interesting for sure, but a lens no one is asking for! They should have made this a DX and half the weight and cost!
Really? I have been waiting for a such fast wide lens for long long long time. Perfect for Astrophotography. I even wish that's 18mm 1.4, yeah I will pay 3 or 4 times the price for it if that's available. I am going to pre-order it as soon they put it up.
Reiep: I hope there will be an AF confirm chip dedicated Canon version like they did with the 35mm.
I have the 14mm, I can deal with the full manual focus shooting at hyper focal at f/8, but for a 50mm I would like to use the f/1.4 aperture more easily.
Exactly what I do, I have all my Zeiss and Samyang in Nikon mount, while not for this specific purpose of a AF Confirmation chip, but I shoot with both system so this way I can use one lens on both system, by the way, AF chip confirmation is not as accurate as most people wish, I have 3 different brand adapter and none of them are that accurate, especially when you shoot wide open, Live View is so much easier and so much more accurate.
Wolfgang Fieger: Samyang lenses are without any aperture control or EXIF information! Only for Nikon EXIF data and aperture control are offered. Without this a lens is quite useless as you are going to close the aperture actually before taking the picture, which leads to the fact, that the camera doesn't get the full light for metering and the viewer. If you are using an EVF you still have a viewable picture, but the focus peeking won't work as everything gets marked as sharp in the viewer: with closed aperture the field of acceptable sharpness is very widened, so the focus peeking will be fooled.If you are using an optical viewer you won't be able to set the correct focus as you're viewer is showing a very dark picture that seems to be sharper than it is: this is an effect of small aperture with the fresnell mate.As long as Samyang isn't producing lenses with chips and full aperture control they are no offer. Good glass alone would have been ok 50 years ago, but not in 21st century's photography.
I shoot a lot of manual focus landscape pictures with lens adapters, in fact, I shoot most of my AF lens in manual focus when shooting landscape, so far the lack of in camera aperture control and exif has not been an issue for me, I shoot Nikon 14-24 on Canon 1DS3 regularly, I shoot all my Zeiss ZF.2 lenses on both D800E and 1DS3 & NEX7 with adapter all the time, actually I shoot all my DSLR lens on NEX7 including the Samyang, 14mm, 24mm.....love the manual aperture control ring, stop down metering has been working GREAT for me for all these years, Focus Peaking works fine with any manual lens with adapter, so for me, the MF Zeiss, Samyang with or without chips or any good optic with appropriate adapter is still good enough not only 50 years ago but also good enough at 2014, and many years ahead. Actually I am getting the new Zeiss 135 ZF.2 and will be using it on both the D800E and 1DS3 without in camera aperture control and full EXIF, and I won't afraid to us it on the A7R either.
Derick59: What a load of rubbish. Use what's available at your camera store that will suit your pocket and gear.
All these heads are designed to do the same thing. a milli-micron this way or that won't change your photo.
Stop reading. Go out and take photos.
Yeah, Iphone and 1Dx doesn't make any different either, both can take some picture.
UnChatNoir: I didn't had my hands on an A7 or A7r, but I can imagine DPReview tells a few things that the fan crowd doesn't necessarily likes. The same happened for a long time with the Fuji X-series. Owning both a pro-DSLR and a X-Pro1, I can say, well, I like the MLIC lightweight and even IQ, but regarding reliability, speed and flexibility, nothing still beats a pro-line DSLR. However, having spend the money to MLIC, quite some people have problems to admit this, even more: they start believing the opposite. A DSLR is crap, outdated, for those 'not seeing the light'. Well, I'm one of those that returned from a MLIC to a full blown DSLR. And I must admit, everything falls back into its place. 55 years of Lens experience, 10 years of new models & firmware development have ironed out all the possible glitches while with a MLIC, every mission is a new challenge. And from what I read about the A7 and A7r, it's pretty much the same as with all the other MLIC: first gen stuff for the adventurers.
So true "@UnchatNoir", me too a long time owner of 1DS and D3 series pro camera and owner of Sony A7 and GF and "soon to be" A7R owner, I for one not going to replace any of my pro DSLR with any of the new mirrorlss as yet no matter what sensor they put in there, just can't stand the form factor and ergonomics of these little cameras as a everyday tools, for the case of D800E and A7R, I will definitely keep on using the D800E for any serious work over the a7R, actually I even have to put a vertical grip to my D800E to make it more comfortable to use it everyday, talking about size and weight, I wish they put that same sensor in the D4 body and I will be the first one to pre-order it. with that being said, the A7R will just be nice addition to what I have but definitely not replacement for my DSLRs.
One real benefit I saw in the a7R though, I can now use my TSE-17 and TSE 24 on a D800E quality sensor, that's something I can't do currently with my SLRs.
digimaan1: Same old problem with Sony, they can't seem to get the idea into their heads that whatever size the sensor is too many pixels = too much noise.12mp is more than enough. No need then for aggressive noise reduction and jpeg artefacts.My "old" Olympus EPL-1 doesn't suffer from this as much, it takes the sharpest pictures I've taken with anything lately, and no way could I ever afford the prices of these cameras that are supposed to be so much better.Phil
Yeah, for some 12MP may be even "too much" and for some 36MP is not enough, being a landscape shooter and current D800E owner and many many Canon DSLR owner including 1DS2 and 1DS3 currently, I for one will definitely not care for anything that offers less resolution and DR at base ISO than what I already have. I don't shoot any high ISO so I personally careless if my landscape camera even have ISO 800 or 1600 setting at all. and when I actually need the high ISO capabilities, there is a D4 and 1Dx out there.
dr.noise: wowsuch cameravery expandamaze
Cal22: You can't ignore the disadvantages this adapter comes along with (more CA, lower contrast, corner softening, poor AF, more weight and bulkiness of FF lens/adapter). That's why it won't be a tool for any photographer in the mirrorless sector. But for some the adapter might prove useful, especially if it comes to wide angle or high aperture FF lenses you possess anyway.
Question: What about the adapter combined with a wide angle shift lens? Will shiftening be increasing optical flaws?
It may not be a big deal for the Mirrorless only shooters, who may most likely don't care for the big SLR lenses anyway, but it definitely is a very nice product for the Canon FF owners that also own a NEX system, like myself, I am shooting Canon and Nikon for the last 20 years and also own a NEX7, already own the previous generation Metabones auto focus EF to NEX adapter and their Nikon F to E adapter for my Nikon AIS and D lesnes, works great for me, (other than the 1.5X crop facor limitation), being able to mount all my Zeiss ZE/ZF2, Nikon, Canon EF lenses to the NEX is just so cool, even I am willing to spend the money on a new set of E-mount lenses, there is no TSE 17, TSE 24, 851.2, 200F2 and 300 2.8L available for the NEX system today, and with the little adapter, all my lenses are useable on any NEX.
Nathaniel George Weir: But hey you've got to admit that the most exciting thing here is the new lens caps ;)
Me too, thanks Canon for saving me $20 every time I purchase a lens, I guess I can use those $20 saving for a new $1500 F4 zoom, LOL.
Daniel Yee: 21 f/2.8, 28 f/2.8, 35 f/1.4, 50 f/1.4, 85 f/1.4... this is seriously a sweet lens lineup.
Good to know that Fuji "upgraded" their lens roadmap for the 23mm from f/2 to f/1.4. A brighter 35mm for X-Pro1.
Yeah, as soon as they complete this lineup, it's hard for me not to get this whole system, the only reason I don't have it yet is because the lack of WA 21mm and 35mm equivalent lens at the time they introduced the X Pro 1. that's the most used FL I do on my FF DSLR systems, now time for me to save up for a new system.
Joe M Amadas: who in his right mind would use the Kodak name to offer a new camera?The Kodak name stands for cheap crap since a long time now.
may be for those don't want to sell whole a lot of cameras, hahaha, I was wondering what take them so long to find out it's good idea not to continue on making camera nobody wants.
tkbslc: I don't get why one would use this. What Canon EF lenses make sense to attach to a NEX? And there are decent used Canon bodies available for the price of this adapter.
ALL EF mount Zeiss and L primes I current have. few special one came to my mind: TSE 17, TSE 14, 85 1.2L, may be fun to use the 400 F2.8 there too.
jh2bh: Why would anyone pay that much for an adapter that doesn't do Auto Focus?
Because some people (myself included) using all those ZE and ZF mount Zeiss/Voigtlander lenses on Canon bodies are all manual focus lenses anyway and we don't have problem doing manual focus. especially for our landscape work, I manual focus my AF lenses anyway, so this adapter just adds the additional capability for multi-platform users to share our lenses easier.