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With all the great things Nikon has been doing lately I'm surprised they released cameras like these. They could have done something much better IMO. I guess I'll give them credit for trying to do something a little different.
ImagesInstyle: this camera is aimed at Women..not men..dont you all get it..simple easy, to the point...
You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking, and especially taking the time to type such a sexist comment.
Who cares.
People aren't using their phones for serious photography anyways. And if they were, let them debase it. The more people try to produce photography that looks like everyone else, the more thoughtful photographers that try to create unique high end images will stand out.
These are exciting times, all these camera manufacturers out-doing each other.
Samsung EX2F with a 1.4 on the wide end and 2.7 on the long end, manual control, RAW, and hot shoe? Sweet!
You got Fuji doing wonderful things, canon with the G1X, Sony with the RX100, Nikon D800, Digital Medium Format is getting cheaper, etc.
These are exciting times indeed.
vlad0: i would take the nokia 808 over this.. if i am going to carry 2 devices, the second one is going to be a dslr, not this.
FF + 808 = almost perfect
Again, marike6 is spot on.
limlh: No justification for this kind of camera. A dinosaur the moment it is announced.
marike6 is spot on.
ogl: rather interesting...is it with RAW?
Yes
rjx: Do people even buy Sigma cameras? I know they sell tons of lenses for Nikon, Canon, etc. But how many cameras do they actually sell? I guess they profit from camera sales otherwise I assume they'd shut camera production down.
chadley_chad
Price doesn't matter too much to me. But if the IQ is as good as you mention, i'll start taking them more serious. I'm going to take a look at flickr and search for some of Sigma's high end cameras.
Do people even buy Sigma cameras? I know they sell tons of lenses for Nikon, Canon, etc. But how many cameras do they actually sell? I guess they profit from camera sales otherwise I assume they'd shut camera production down.
For such a great update to take place either the 7D mkii won't be out for a lot longer, or Canon has an abundance of 7D's they need to get rid of.
photo nuts: I'm going to give Fujifilm and m43 some serious considerations. Great lens line-up and fantastic cameras. Almost every manufacturer is capable of producing small sensors with impressive low-ISO dynamic range... all but Canon. Poor Canon...
My comments regarding the S100 & G1X were not meant to mean they're the same size
S95 / S100 = When something very small is needed while maintaining some level of manual control & image quality
G1X = A small, light camera capable of great image quality
I understand what you're saying about the m43 cameras being pocketable "if" the user uses "only" 1 small lens. But what's the point of an interchangeable lens camera if the user only uses 1 small lens everywhere? One of the main selling points to these cameras is the small size, yet if you have more than 1 small lens, and want to bring them with you, you'll still need a bag to carry the lenses, memory cards, batteries, etc
I don't represent all photographers, but to me 1 of the joys of interchangeable lens cameras is the flexibility of having a variety of high quality glass at arms reach when needed. 1 lens only (for me) can be fun at times, but there is no way my photography could thrive if I only carried 1 lens with me all the time
photo nuts: I'm going to give Fujifilm and m43 some serious considerations. Great lens line-up and fantastic cameras. Almost every manufacturer is capable of producing small sensors with impressive low-ISO dynamic range... all but Canon. Poor Canon...
The way I see it is like this:
There are two types of cameras. Cameras that need a bag and cameras that can easily fit into a jacket / pants pocket. All these mirrorless cameras with interchangeable lenses still need bags to carry the camera and all the lenses. Yes, they're a little smaller and lighter, but they're still bulky. To me, the performance and image quality still lacks behind bigger DSLR's imo ... though the nex cameras have great IQ IMO.
Personally, I like what Canon did with the G1X.
Image thread - http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1151374
Great quality in a fairly small package that can fit in the jacket pocket. If I want the flexibility of an interchangeable lens camera, i'll reach for a DSLR. If I want small and light, i'll go for the Canon S100 or G1X.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Carlos AF Costa: I said VERY GOOD BUT VERY EXPENSIVE!.
WE JUST WANT FULL FRAME, BUT AT FAIR PRICES!
That's what used or refurbished D700's, 5D's, and 5DII's are for.
Compare the price of the D800 and what you get for it compared to the price of the 5DIII and what you get for that. The D800 is fair. Which is why it will be hard to find for a while due to it selling out everywhere.
Khizer: I want to buy just one lens with the D800. Which one should it be?
No offense, but if you can't answer that question yourself, you have no business buying this camera.
Avid Amateur: For an avid amateur, I am considering the D7000 and would love the D800. In your opinion, is the D800 "worth" the additional $1,700? I shoot models in studio and flowers and landscapes.
Also, I process in PS on a MacBook Pro with 8 GB of RAM. Will the huge file size of the D800 severely impact my ability to work in this environment?
Thanks for your input.
If you have to ask if it's worth it, chances are that you really don't need it. Especially since you are comparing it to the D7000. They are two completely different types of DSLR's.
The D800 will excel at the types of shooting you practice, but you must have high end lenses capable of bringing out the high resolution the 36 MP's will give you. If you use older or less expensive lenses, the new D800 sensor will expose the flaws of glass not optimized for very high resolution. You can still get great results with the lower end stuff. But imo, for a camera that cost's $3000, imo, I would prefer the best possible experience I could afford.
My recommendation would be to buy the D7000, spend time learning more about photography, and gradually upgrade with high quality glass so when / if you do switch to a full frame camera, you will have lenses capable of bring out the best in the D800.
Just my opinion.
So Canon puts IS in the 24mm prime, but not the 24-70 II. wtf? Seems backwards to me.
Please NO 4/3!!!
I'm begging.
I wanted an Olympus DSLR so bad but the 4/3 killed it for me.
I know this will never happen, but just imagine if it was full frame. The Olympus colors and glass in a small FF package. OMG.
Can we at least get 1.3x??? Please.
I think people really interested in this camera should turn their focus on the Canon G1 X instead. Or if they insist on interchangeable lenses, the Sony Nex cameras are hard to beat.
But I feel these small interchangeable lens cameras are a waste. You still need a bag to carry it and the lens's and accessories around. IMO an entry level DSLR is the way to go. You get a nice viewfinder and you won't sacrifice quality and features to save a little size and weight.
If you learn the proper techniques of how to hold your DSLR while using, the strain is none to minimal.
For transportation purposes, buy a great quality bag with a nice shoulder strap. Take a look at thinktank bags.
IMO these small, sleek interchangeable lens cameras are a gimmick.
Edgar_in_Indy: Very, very cool camera. All day today I've been thinking that this new Fuji may lure me away from Pentax. However, I just found out that the X-Pro1 does not feature in-body image stabilization, and instead relies on lens-based IS. And to add insult to injury, it appears that the three launch lenses do not feature IS.
This would have been a cool camera to use with old lenses via adapter, but the lack of IS is a real bummer. I recently borrowed a camera without OS while my Pentax DSLR was in the shop for calibration, and I was surprised at how much I missed the IS. For me, the lack of IS on this Fuji is probably a deal-breaker.
Edgar, you prefer stabilization that's built into the camera instead of stabilization that's unique to a certain lens?
I'll take the stabilization built into the lens instead of built into the camera any day!
rjx: I agree it's size can be an advantage, however, it's size can also be a disadvantage. I prefer something meaty that fits in my hands well, with lots of buttons and dials for easy access to the camera's features. The DSLR's are designed so well that even people with small hands will probably find the ergonomics a good fit.
I prefer a viewfinder which I feel allows me to get more involved with the scene and helps me concentrate on composition. And when I am looking through the viewfinder I am able to keep the camera more still while I securely hold the camera against my face, as opposed to holding a smaller camera up in the air and trying to frame everything with the LCD.
I am anal. So for me, I want the best image quality I can afford. So for me it's a DSLR, hands down. Some of these mirrorless cameras are as expensive as DSLR's and all you are saving is a little bulk / weight. You still need a bag with mirrorless cameras, even if it is slightly smaller.
The way I look at it is, there are two types of cameras. Cameras that fit in pockets and don't need bags. And cameras that don't fit in pockets that need bags.
There is proper techniques of how to correctly hold a DSLR which will make it feel lighter and take the stress off your wrist, shoulders and back.
I prefer a nice DSLR w/ a nice pocketable compact camera.