starwolfy: Nothing beats a leica summilux f1.4 asph.Cheaper than an Otus, way smaller and way lighter than both Otus and this Sigma lens. The only thing this Sigma has for it is better value per dollar and autofocus. Its a very good lens but I still cannot accept weight a size compromises you have to make to enter dslr world. The biggest joke is when u compare an Othus to the Leica Lux...it looks like a serious joke from size.
@JDThomas Although I have mingled with a few sports photographers I have yet to meet someone who shoots fast sports action on manual focus though I don't deny that photographers of the past shot iconic sports photography on full manual. So, yes please send me a link, I'm genuinely curious.
However, I remain skeptical that zone focus will beat the modern AF of a camera like the 1DX or D4s - at least if one's criteria is reliability and output. Quality, well, in my opinion having a reliable tracking autofocus means one less thing to worry about for the photographer which mean he/she can focus more on things like composition. However if it is the visceral satisfaction you get from shooting fast action with a manual lens than you are correct.
As you said not everyone can cut it or even want to cut it if given the choice.
@JDThomas If what you claim is true then you are indeed very skilled. However the point still stands, modern autofocus especially with a high end cameras like the 1DX or the D4s with the Sigma will still outperform your manually focused Summilux regardless how skilled you are.
Pixnat2: I think this comparaison makes a lot of sense, and I welcome it.
Nowadays, IQ difference between FF, APS-C and 4/3 has become negligible. All those sensor formats are suitable for enthusiast and professional use.The choice of a camera today should no more focus on mere "sensor size", but on camera functionalities and handling, lenses avaliable and format specificities.
So thanks DPR, articles like this would allow some people's minds to evolve.
In stills I can still see the a7s doing quite better. In video however, except for low light, I'm not so sure, waiting for the comparison reviews to come.
Advent1sam: GH4 is clearly superior here, stills especially are far superior in rendering and detail, 12mp is so last decade. When all FF has to offer is marginally better low light performance and as the e-mount kit is only F4 it brings nothing to the party over the GH4, is there any single e-mount lens that can compete with OIS for 85mm c/w the nocticron? It must be embarrassing for Sony that FF is completely out played by Panasonic, nice job Pana try try again Sony, one day maybe lol.
Also Meta Bones speed boosters give the GH4 quite a nice boost in light gathering ability, wider view, and thinner dof. Try that with a Sigma Art 18-35mm 1.8 and you get stunning footage.
D1N0: The GH4 has one quarter the sensor size. It is obvious who wins.
I think everybody wins. It obvious that these cameras appeal to different kinds of shooters. No one loses, because we all have more options. Just pick the system that works best for you. Exciting times.
Lived in Bangkok for a short 3 years and I think they're good photos but certainly not representative of Thailand. Perhaps a title change is in order.
riskinhos: this is great but..... it's almost as expensive as full frame....
True true but at the moment Fuji is a bit more complete than the A7 series. Not really familiar with the Samsung, heard interesting things about it though. Shot an a6000, exceptional camera and arguably equals the Fujis with much better autofocus but then again lower built quality, quirky (but still excellent) lenses.
I suspect part of confidence Fuji inspires among its following, besides the cameras, are the intangibles such as its commitment to its system, good support, willingness to add substantial firmware updates to its camera, and its transparency.
OBI656: that "Something" is coming from CANON already for to long ... Now since SONY got monopoly on sensor now even coming with curved sensor, CANON come in my book as page I have read already to many times ...
SONY A7 line of cameras are now in my case...
As much I wish your hopes were true (I own an RX1 and A7r/55m which I love dearly). Canon will continue to be what most professionals will choose. Its sensors maybe outdated but the EOS line is still a vastly more complete system than anything Sony has to offer. Plus Canon's aftermarket support cannot be matched by Sony.
km25: I agree, a 23mm F/2 and/ or 35 f/2 would be nice lens. For a zoom, 16-48mm F4.0 IOS. would make for nice compact lens, they do have the 27mm f/2.8, not only small low cost, but a good general lens.
I'm in the same boat as you. I wish they would release more small lenses, especially pancake ones because the small size (relative to quality) is the main reason I'm using my Fuji more then my 5dm3.
Very true. I guess you are paying for the build quality (based on their metal primes, should be exceptional) and a bit more overall compact system size relative to FF. Certainly trade offs here and there.
I feel there is a marketing opportunity missed here.
JDThomas: I like the fact that the lenses are starting to get bigger than the cameras. Everyone is always going on about how they want a light compact camera, but then they insist on having these enormous fast lenses. Where's you're weight savings gonna be when your lugging around a 90mm f/2?
Starting your post with "Haha, how the mirrorless set does get upset when they think they're being attacked," is unnecessary and inflammatory. Everybody who replied to you did so in a mature manner with good points. This is not a political issue that will affect the lives of your family and millions - these are just silly cameras. Settle down, no need to be snarky about it.
dash2k8: Love or hate his work, Photoshop is a staple in today's photo industry. If you've never touched up a picture in PS, the pity is on you. Yes it's always better to get everything right on camera, but we all know from experience that is never truly possible. Some people use PS a little, some use it a lot. Who cares as long as the results are great?
I recall a 15-year-old girl from Europe who posted food pictures on 500px. She had a Canon 1100D and a kit lens (18-55? Forgot), but her pictures looked like things done in studio with expensive lenses and big lights. In the end, it's the results that count.
Photographers who complain about PS should make sure they're not using any artificial lighting, otherwise they'd be hypocrites for modifying the actual lighting conditions and/or color temperature. Use a big aperture? That's not natural, either. Who sees things with such limited DOF? This is an industry of art. Let each person create as he wishes.
Even before these critics heard of Photoshop the masters have been editing their photos in the darkroom.
My niece owns an XA1 and coincidentally also owns an Instax SP1 printer. She is having a ball with it. Not a major update for Photogs but for consumers like my niece, this firmware update hits the spot.
No way around it, you want a fast lens, prepare for bigger lenses. I would bitch about it if it was the only option but you still have the lighter and smaller primes and the rather nice variable 18-55mm zoom to choose from. At least if you want to go big and fast you can do so.
Under The Sun: Competition only brings good things to us the consumers.
Your statement is true if the criteria is based on price war alone. Certainly you know that many good companies successfully compete through new features and innovation to their product instead of just lowering their price. The price cut is just Sony's ad hoc solution to Panasonic's challenge, perhaps because Sony simply wants to clear inventory so it can put out its own 4k bridge camera probably at a higher price point.
Competition only brings good things to us the consumers.
Carlos Loff: That is all very lovely but is not worth the ridiculous price difference
Nikon, and also Canon, are playing a dangerous game and folks are getting fed up cause they forget they are not monopolies
A DANGEROUS GAME
Prices are always up there on sticker but the prices will go down overtime. There will be deals and sales later on but if one want the latest and greatest now then the early adaptor must pay the price.
Vignes: Comment on about standard Japanese mfr philosophy... That's the way they have approached the market for years. That's why we get good quality products unlike the western folks who once a while come out with new products with many bugs. I'm happy that we have this variance to choose. You should try non Japanese cameras then...
Apple is also known for this. Look at their Macbook Air range. From crappy cover priced ultra portable to ultra book industry standard. Thats why we should never buy the first version of anything no matter the hype.
Iconel: Although there are some improvements, I can't help think that the DSLR development opportunities are flatlining and all manufacturers make only incremental improvements in their product lines. What happened to really innovative stuff? I really appreciate manufacturers who listen to what photographers need and are doing with their equipment and try to make innovative products. D600, D700, D800..they are just different shades of the same thing. A disappointing effort.
New product launches always remind to just forget about the incremental hardware improvements and just take more pictures with my old camera to try to push my composition skills rather than chasing the banal technology comparisons.
I think its somewhat a natural trend among most folks getting into photography to go from point and shoot to DSLR for the upgrade in IQ. Then once they get tired of their heavy DSLR, and become more knowledgeable, dabble in smaller system/mirrorless cameras.