Photo Pete: Shhh! Don't tell the Full Frame fanboys that their Full Frame is a cropped sensor.
God you m4/3s users like to project your inferiority complex concerning your chosen sensor size on to others. It is really getting old. FF users don't' care at all a bigger format is available. They also know Full Frame is short for the full 35mm frame and as such refers to a very specific sensor size only and is not and never has been meant to convey superiority. They know it was invented to help film SLR users with the transition to digital by using familiar terms like crop and full frame to explain how their lenses would work with the new DSLRs which were APS-C.
But m4/3s users like you seem all butt hurt because you think FF and crop are meant to convey that one is Superior and one is inferior instead. Like you're constantly afraid your camera is being called inferior so you have to prove it's not. Honestly to most FF users posts like yours make m4/3s users seem like a bunch of children that are afraid their sibling got the better toy and are now throwing a tantrum over it.
LFPCPH: They will make it fullframe - maybe ...
Well it's probably a safe bet that the D820 will be a FF version of this body style. Probably it will be slightly bigger, have 42mp, do 6fps in FX 7-8 in crop, but otherwise it will basically be a FF version of the D500. Most likely it will even lack the pop up flash and have the XQD slot instead of CF as well.
scrup: Re tweaking the specs based on the 6300 announcement. Need to remain competitive.
Umm no. That is the most silly thing I have read here. Firstly for what it's designed for the D500 will easily run circles around any mirrorless ever made or that probably will ever be made in the next 5 years.
Secondly this late in the game the camera is already in production. The specs were probably finalized to the point of no return at least a year ago.
I have a feeling there was a lot more demand for this camera than Nikon suspected. Which is probably why it took so long to be offered in the first place and when it finally was, probably just so Nikon had an answer to the 7DII, the high demand for the camera took Nikon by surprise. I love how everyone is making absurd conspiracy theories about defects and slamming Nikon for the delay. These same people would be even more critical of Nikon if they released on time and then immediately had a 3 month back-order just to fill the pre-orders.
JPMB: This is a lame incremental upgrade, so that Sony can get its acolytes to buy yet another body. Why does DPR proclaim "Oh Wow" about this thing? No IBIS, no increase in frame rate, no increase in resolution. DPR's allegiances are showing in recent announcements and reviews.
Right those features are just an incremental update. Those are all things the camera basically had to have improved to even be considered an upgrade to the A6000. So not that exciting and certainly not worth an "Oh wow" Also it does not have weather sealing according to DPR.
VENTURE-STAR: When I read something like "Oh Wow," describing a new product, it vaguely sounds like the kind of advertising copy I'd expect to find on Amazon.
Oh, hang on a sec, DP Review is Amazon under a different name. Silly me!
Yep so does calling the AF "incredible" based only on Sony's marketing copy without ever having used it.
Look this is real simple. Either you need what this camera offers or you don't. If you don't there are much better cameras for you in Canon's/Nikon's/Sony's lineup but if you do need this type of camera, nothing else will do the job. That is one of the reasons it's so expensive. It's a pro tool for a small niche of photography where anything less isn't' good enough. So they can charge a high price because people have to pay it. When you career depends on you getting the iconic Olympics shot or the winning touchdown shot in the NFL play offs you don't screw around trying to make do with gear not designed for the task.
jorg14: There seems to be this underlying impression that if the pro's use it, it must be better for the enthusiasts. I'm sure this is a well made camera that meets many of the needs of say a professional shooting sports. But as a hiker and amateur landscape photographer who travels light and can take his time with a shot, it's the wrong piece of equipment. If I judge this camera, it should be within it's intended use.
Yeah it's just like when the D500 (Pro DX sports camera that specs, controls, and features wise is basically a mini D5 ) came out and people were asking why they shouldn't just get the D750 (general purpose FX enthusiast camera) for about the same price as if they were designed for the same job lol.
aarif: people want OVF :) make a normal DSLR
Sony tried that and couldn't compete. Which is why they went SLT which also couldn't compete Since it didn't do anything better and wasn't different enough. So Instead most people just bought a Canon or Nikon DSLR that had the same form factor but also a proven track record and complete system.
So then their focus switched to APS-C mirrorless. But that's a small and very crowed niche so they switched their focus to full frame mirrorless. Which gives them a product that is a different FF choice entirely instead of just another DSLR and a product that the only similar option is an over priced full manual rangefinder Leica that wouldn't appeal to most people even if it was only $1000.
The A7 series is what changed Sony from being just another MILC manufacturer to the standout and perceived leader among them. Going back to futilely trying to make their own DSLRs to compete with Canon and Nikon would be a step backward and probably suicide for Sony's camera division at this point.
gandulfc: Skateboarders and people in extreme sports are also getting tired of gopros. Why spend 500 bucks when you can only have a fisheye and no possible way to upgrade in the future. Plenty of people I know have gotten themselves an entry dslr or mirrorless for just slightly more money.... and you can shoot in worse lightning conditions.
No removable lens is a killer too, fisheye only sucks. Especially for the regular joe.
Well to be fair if a DSLR can do the job, the go pro wasn't the right camera for them in the first place. It is not a general purpose video camera. The GoPro is meant for POV action/sports stuff. You know putting it on a helmet, bike handle bars, hanging it off the side of a car, ect. Things even an entry level DSLR is too big for and of course too fragile for.
This is especially bad news for go pro with Nikon's KeyMission, only the first in a lineup of action cams according the marketing copy, looming on the horizon.
Nukunukoo: If I understand it correctly, the lack of built-in flash (which I never really use anyway as an event and weddings photographer) is also to make space for the D5-style metering and focusing modules that are quite large.
Yeah the pop up flash is great for a quick fill if you don't' have a speed light with you or as a commander but it is really a stop gap for people building a kit. Something that is only used until they have a speed light or two and a couple radio triggers. After that it ends up almost never being used, especially on a camera at this price point. Not having it on a body like this is not a big deal for most.
Robert Garcia NYC: Does this man have huge hands? I thought the D500 was D750 size.
Yep I would not be surprised at all if D850 body is basically a D500 with the 42 mp Sony FF sensor and less fps.
raztec: This seems like a solution looking for a problem.
The problem it solves is it is a pro level action camera below the D5 price point and size and is a pro DX body for those who want/need one. I mean it's really not that hard to figure out. IF you need high fps, state of the art AF tracking & metering, a decent sized buffer, the best controls possible, and a durable body, in other words a pro level sports camera, it's your only option other than a big, and much more expensive single digit body. It is the pro sports camera for those who can't afford or don't want to lug around a D5 or who prefer DX for such things. It's niche is well defined and easy to see.
zakaria: I see Samsung hands on this camera!!!
How so? It's exactly what you would expect from Nikon. It's basically a straight repeat of the D3/D300 combo.
mais51: The D5 - D500 pair is the repeat of the D3 - D300 pair of the pastnow we are waiting for the new version of the D700 - the D5 sans hand grip.
Sorry D810/D750/D610 users your cameras is just about being superseded.
As a current D800 user I am eagerly awaiting the next D8xx/D900 upgrade
Sorry but a D500 or a D5 does not even come close to "superseding" my D800. In fact if someone wanted to trade me a D500 for my D800 I would laugh in their face ( I would take a D5 though due the price I could get for it lol) A D700 successor is very unlikely but even if it happened I wouldn't' trade my D800 for that either. I don't need a sports camera so a D5, D500 and the mythical D700 replacement would be a down grade for me compared to my D800. If anything the D800 was already superseded by the D810, though only slightly.
gbvalli: Wonderful camera, but for me the winner is still the D750; full format in a lighter and smaller body, at nearly the same price . Ok the D500 for who need absolutely 10 fps.
@RPJGThe D500 is does not have the pop up flash. Probably to cement it's mini D5, pro feel and to promote the use Nikon's new SB-5000 with built in radio triggering.
I fail to see how gbvalli was lying. He is right on the money. If you don't ' need the action capabilities of the D500 the D750 is the better choice for the money for most people. Heck if you don't' shoot sports, BIF,wildlife, ect even saving some money and getting a D7200 is a better choice. The D500 is a pro DX sports cam. If you don't' need that buying one doesn't make any sense considering the other options in the Nikon lineup. The point isn't' what is the best camera it's what is the best camera for what YOU use it for.
As far as flash goes there is nothing wrong with SB-800s, SB-900s, SB-910s ect. and you can get third party radio triggers. If you buy a used SB-800/SB-900/SB-910 and ttl radio trigger set you will still be below or at the cost of a new SB-5000 and Nikon transmitter depending on the flash and triggers you buy. Buying an action camera when you don't' need one just for compatibility with Nikon's radio flash system is foolish.
yahoo2u: Yep, all the geeks with less than 5000 clicks on their 7200s are gonna walk in wanting a deal....and they're all gonna get the same response...best putting it on ebay, you'll get more for it.
He is talking about trade-ins at camera retailers who typically make low ball offers on used gear since they have to resell it for a profit. You get a lot more money selling it used yourself.
vesa1tahti: What is actually better compared with D7200 ? IQ ? No pop up flash. Lower pixel count. Only speed and 4K. No thanks, I'll keep my D7200.
If you don't shoot action all the time than keeping the D7200 is 100% the right choice. It's that simple. The D500 is a pro action cam first and foremost. It s meant to be a mini D5 with a DX sensor. Just look at the sepcs and controls. If you don't' need that and the D7200 is meeting your needs, than a D500 or any new body for that matter is probably a waste of money for you. Consider getting a new lens instead if you have $2000 to spend on photo equipment.