D1N0: low light champ (just)
They couldn't' do that because they need the D4 sensor to be a hook people could use to say/tell themselves "See See a gussied up D600 with one less card slot and no video is worth $3000! I'm not buying it because I like the look or because I have an emotional attachment to it I'm buying for the D4 sensor! It's a D4 for half the price!!" It was the perfect decision.
Kubicide: Nikon has every right to do this - so why the hate? Does everyone think the aftermarket folks really care about your camera or compatability, or bringing you some sort of "fair value"? No, they want your $$$. And as a manufacturer Nikon should do what they need to do to protect their product and support expenses.
No one knows for sure just how compatible or incompatible the aftermarket product is except for the engineers at Nikon and the other companies. This battery issue is just like the reverse engineered lenses. It's the old "buyer beware" thing. If you are out to save a buck then do it 'eyes wide open' and know that the aftermarket product may not work and the vendor just wants your money for their product. That's it. Nikon doesn't make any claim to state that their product is designed to work with anything coming out of any 'brand x' manufacturer.
What if Nikon who dont' test third party batteries had no idea it would make them not work. Everyone is assuming the worst of them. It's pathetic really.
Wow lots of assuming and jumping to conclusion going on here. Nikon Rumors is reporting that some 3rd party batters still work. It is likely the compatibly break is just a side effect of the new code that read the batteries more accurately and was not done on purpose. Just give the third party battery makes time the hack the new code and they will probably work again, though you will still have to buy new batters with the new programing.
I can't understand news organizations laying off photographers. Such a powerful media!
It's simple economics. Staff photographers need a salary and benefits. It is very expensive and slightly better photos are not enough to bring in enough extra consumers to pay for them VS just letting the reports take cell phone snaps.
RichRMA: No EVF, no sale. While there might be a market for mirrorless camera to replace P&S's, the real goal is to replace the DSLR. So far, Canon and Nikon have offered nothing substantive in that area for fear of cannibalizing DSLR sales.
LOL Canon and Nikon are pretty much the only ones making profits selling cameras theses days and they are doing it selling DSLRs. If mirroless was profitable Nikon and Canon both would be embracing it. There is a reason the EOS M2 is only announced for japan. That is the only place any mirorless camera has even a snowballs chance in hell of making a profit.
Timmbits: hmmm, lets see... about the same size as a GM1 (slightly larger, but with larger sensor also), but less lenses available for it. Canon is still on the fence as to whether it's time to allow their whole rage of cameras evolve into mirrorless... until then, EOSM will be nothing but a GM1 equivalent. That's a moot topic though, as the real cameras are the OMD, GX7, NX20, A7, Fuji... for mirrorless.
Considering mirrorless isn't making a profit and canon DLSRs are and that DSLRs are pretty much the only cameras making a profit in the U.S., I dont' think Canon is on the fence about anything.
thx1138: Hugely disappointing and frankly embarrassing from Canon. The EOS M was at the bottom of the mirrorless pile along with the Nikon V, J series, but at least they have excellent AF speed.
So no DPAF, no EVF, no new lenses, same old sensor tech and battery life is an appalling 230 shots.
This is the camera equivalent of Windows 8.1, it might be better, but few people will care.
windows 8.1 was joke. Start is Back is the solution if you want your windows 8 to function like, you know , windows instead of a cell phone. Start is Back is what windows 8.1 should have been.
plasnu: Ordinary people who walks in BestBuy to buy a new camera doesn't understand the difference between this junk and the other mirrorless cameras. They just choose CANON brand, so it's completely waisting for Canon to make a competitive camera.
:cast pearls before swine
True and when you add in the low price the M is currently going for in the U.S it becomes no brainer purchase for most people.
UnChatNoir: Who is waiting for this? After being compromised with the EOS M now a second attempt to push this silly concept in the market but still without viewfinder. Canon, do you really think you can save your DSLR-market by NOT making a serious, credible Mirror-less camera range? By just offering a toy that maybe the full equipped Canon DSLR-user will pick up to play with, on a hot summer trip? Soon there will be only Sony's, Fujifilm X's, Olympus and even others to conquer your realm.
LOL Canon's DSLRs are one of the few types cameras still making a profit. In fact Canon and Nikon are pretty much the only camera companies who are truing a profit selling cameras period. The only thing that needs saving is all these companies hemorrhaging money making mirrorless cameras that don't turn a profit at all. If anything it is the number of mirroless offerings is going to be shirking substantially, probably sooner than later. A business can only lose money on a product for so long before they have to just end production and cut their losses. Why would Canon bother investing much money, time, or effort into a market that isn't profitable? The answer is they wouldn't and that is why the EOS M is what it is.
Wow I can't believe they didn't put the 70D's sensor with dual pixel AF in it. It would have had the best AF in any mirrorless camera to date. Pluse a cmaera like this is begging for an EVF.
JohnHoppy: Whilst having no problem with dpreview's choices, I wonder why the scoring system is, by their admission, heavily weighted towards IQ. Where even cameras around the $700 Mark can now produce IQ that a few years ago you could only see in the best $2000+ cameras, might we not put IQ into a more comparative relationship with other factors? When so many good cams offer me high IQ, I am going to make a choice based on factors like handling and functionality or balance of features. With so many cams offering excellent potential IQ, maybe dpreview should look again at its "heavy weighting". Or perhaps they could indicate what miscroscopic level of detail they consider High IQ is.
The problem is that at the end of the day the differences between cameras are very subtle. It just wont make much difference for 99% of people if they chose a D7100 or a 70D for example which is why you see scores that are so close. It really comes down to subjective personal things or what someone personally needs feature wise but people want to know "which is better" so DPR has to have the silly score and awards to make them happy because the real answer is "it depends, probably neither" most of the time. Plus a gold award badge looks good when you are trying to sell a camera.
tbcass: They left too many currently available enthusiast cameras off this list to be a worthwhile overview. It's like they randomly chose one model from each manufacturer.
No it looks like they chose based on MSRP. They are all around $1000-$1500 with most of them being in the $1200 range for the body only kit.
I sort of agree.
The thing with an ILC is that unless you are just starting out with nothing chances are you are just going to buy what you already have lenses and stuff for which makes this article basically for people with no ILC or the few who want to switch. So Instead of IQ a much better thing to weight towards is the SYSTEM that goes with the camera. Lenses, flashes,batteries, upgrade path, third party support, ect and their availability and cost. IQ is so good now and the cameras all have basically the same features at the same price level for the same type of camera. So what matters most is the system the supports the camera body, how the ergonomics and controls work for you personally and any specific features you personally need/want. The last two will vary greatly from person to person so it's the overall system that articles like this should consider the most.
steelski: What a bunch of phooey. The D7100 beats the K-3 how exactly....ergonomics, no,IQ, noprice, noLV, nomovie mode, nospeed, NO!!!buffer, noAF, debatable....AF in the dark, Nomenus, no!in body sensor shift, NoGPS stat tracking, noMetering, noViewfinder, noMagnesium body, noshutter actuations reliability, nodampening, noUSB3,noflash sync, yesbattery life yes, flash system yesNikon badge yes!!!!! I think your assessment is total bias. to put it mildly. thanks for putting in time and effort.
Nikon has one of the two most developed and full systems of lenses and accessories both Nikon brand and third party. Plus they have very wide availability so you can all but guarantee if you are in at least a semi moderate sized industrialized city you will be able to purchase and/or rent lenses, flashes, batteries, ect for it. Not to mention what is widely considered the best flash system available. An ICL is not just a body it is a system and Nikon and Canon easily beat Pentax and pretty much everyone else when it comes to the system to support their bodes both in what they have to offer and in availability. That is enough reason alone to recommend the D7100 over the K3.
HawaiiVolcanoes: btw...from the image i see here...it looks like CRAP...looks like it went through a rock-tumblr......who ever bought it paid too much
Considering it is the only one of four ever produced to still be known to exist and it went for half of what was expected, probably due the condition, I think the price wasn't that bad.
Wye Photography: I feel sorry for the crocodile.
That doesn't doesn't help the one that was killed to make the case. You know the (singular) crocodile Wye Photography was specifically talking about instead of crocodile's in general which is what you are commenting about.
Biowizard: Does this early cut-price offer indicated that the CC "rental" concept was a comparative flop?
The software will work offline just fine. It only has to check in every 30 days. The chances someone's internet will bed down for that long is very low baring some kind of natural disaster and then you have more important things to worry about anyway.
calking: I didn't know anyone in France had a gun.
Nope. Most firearms purchased in the US are used for sporting purposes such as hunting and shooting competitions. In fact those who purchase them explicitly to use as a weapon for self protection are in the minority and under constant attack from anti gun groups and even other gun owners who only use guns for hunting, target shooting, ect. Many hunters for example don't even view their many rifles and shotguns as weapons at all and will say "why would any one need to carry gun?" or "Why would anyone want X type of gun?" Further in most self defense uses of firearms no shots are fired at all. See most criminals don't want to get into a shoot out any more than anyone else. They are look for the easy pay day and use weapons to intimidate people. They are not looking to get killed in gun battles or even shoot anybody most of the time. The media which has a decidedly anti gun bias likes to paint a much more bleak picture of gun ownership in the U.S. than actually exists.
Nope. Adobe figures now that they got most of people who were going to sign up at $19.99 and 49.99 a month subscribed they might as well get a bunch more people paying them 9.99 a month as well as it just means even more money for them. They are trying to get the fence sitters to commit. That is why it is a limited time only.
The VAST majority of all guns in the U.S. are never used to shoot anyone, even the ones carried daily by the police and non police alike. In fact that is true in ANY country that has any form of legal civilian gun ownership.