They don't even have the reviews on X10 yet.
Alfie Smith: Noob question: Is this a rangefinder or a DSRL?
I am living in a dream eh? You are such a Leica expert and you don't even know that your most part of mighty Leica mechanical part and body are built in Portugal then ship to Germany to assemble together at the Solms factory later. Both M8 and M9 parts were made by subcontractor all over the world then again ASSEMBLE in Germany not made in Germany, do your research EXPERT FANBOY or go ask someone really know the fact.
BTW I have a M8 and I love it too, but I also use Hasselblad, Contax, Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Sony, Yashica, Fujifilm models as well, they all good cameras and I love them all when they fit into different purpose when I needed them. I am not blindly Brand worshiping like you and other Leica FANBOY does.
Did I say that Kodak made sensor for Leica??? HOWABOUTRAW who is the Leica expert/fanboy brought that up, cheak the post, it is so funny I found that I said in the original post about IF the X Pro 1 get close enough quality SENSOR wise like a Leica, it will be a good buy, then all the sudden all you LEICA FANBOY up an arm and can't wait to defend the mighty German/ Portuguese/ Japanese built LEICA. Well OK, if you LEICA FANBOY are that insecure about your mighty "GERMAN" camera status being challenge by other brands or in complete denial that there are absolutely nothing in this world is better than your Leica then OK your Mighty Leica is the best, OK you can calm down now, do n't want you to have a heart attack about it.
BTW, while you on the phone with Leica America or PANASONIC USA, why don't you ask them about which PARTS of your beloved mighty Leica M Camera's part is built in not just Japan, but China and Tailand, Indonesia.etc as well? Not all Mighty Germany, what a scandal.....
Wow! sounded like I poke some Leica FANBOY hot button here so they have to defend the honour of mighty Leica or something!? BTW, all your so call camera knowledge, did you read them here at Dpreviews or you actually know them for fact? We truly believe everything we see and read on internet now, are we? You want to go technical, be my guest, the fact is Leica DO NOT built their camera all in Germany is a FACT, call up Leica or their mother company PANASONIC to find out for yourself FANBOY, get it real.
PS. I used to work in the Camera industry, you SURE you know what you are talking about Mr. HOWABOUTRAW? You're sure Panasonic has nothing to do with any LEICA body R & D or any of its components? Have you done any REAL research before you're so SURE about Leica 100% built and made in GERMANY?
I owed a good old M4 and a M8 and also have 2 BMWs now and had a Audi S4 before, so I DO know what I am talking about, my point is BRAND worship is blindness and pointless. There are people who won award winning photo by using a P & S camera like the little Canon S95 or Nikon Coolpix S3100, just check the competition on this site. So, blindly saying because is a Leica, your photos quality will be supreme is foolish and naive. After all, you could have the most expensive camera system in the world but your photos could still look like crap. Just like how many people really know how to drive the maximum potential of a BMW M3 or the Mercedes AMG Black? Leica made good body, so did Nikon, Canon, Fuji and Ricoh, etc. If Kodak made such a great sensor for the Leica, why don't they sale those great sensor to everyone so they could made ShXX load of money? no wonder they gone chapter 11!
I know you are a Leica fanboy, then let me ask you this: Who built Leica sensor and their processor in their M series? Remember, we are talking about Digital here right? Only so many makers in the world actually research and make sensor and processor in EVERY digital camera regardless what brands. So beside you willingly paying big money for the label LEICA body(which everyone know is made by Panasonic). My humble understanding which makes Leica camera the best since the beginning is their glasses, especially in the digital age, the glasses made all the differences. There are many Leica die heart fans who managed to mounted M lenses on the Sony NEX-5n or NEX 7 and the end result has no different than when mounted on a Leica body, just google it, if you do not believe me. BMW, Mercedes and Audi are all expensive German brands as well, craftsmanship, handmade this or that, but they also the most unreliable automobiles in the world as well. Not because Leica is German so they're the best.
Anyone use the XS1 yet?
Conrad567: Years ago I looked at a Contax G2 and fell in love. The camera was quirky, but the sample photos I looked at were extraordinary. I wanted one bad but I was a student with a young wife and small child. There was no way that I could afford it without mortgaging my entire future. So I passed. Later as the digital world evolved I dreamed about a system like the G2 that was digital. Something that worked for quick street shots and had class. The Sony, Olympus, etc. offerings have lacked the style and grace of the G2 and the endless menu settings for something as simple as changing from Manual to Aperture priority drove me nuts. It was as if Sony was blind to how a camera should be built. Finally Fuji has thrown their hat into the ring, I for one applaud them for the effort and think that the price they are offering is a BARGAIN if the camera lives up to it's potential. I have purchased the system because now I am 15 years older and have the means. I feel for the rest of you who cant
Time will tell, my friend...
IF this camera function and bug free like what said on the paper, its worth more than the listed price, I for one willing to pay more for a system as good as Leica but save big with glasses! But then again, IF it is as good as the number on paper and no deadly flaw like their NEW and Unique 12.1 MP CMOS censor in X10 and XS1, their EXR processor which gave the world WHITE ORBS Photography! The 16mp CMOS in the X pro 1 is Fuji another UNIQUE & NEW design again...well....well
Jmmg: I have the Nex-5n and its blew me away how good this little Sony can do, unfortunately like any other Sony products I have owed in the past, Sony seem to be suffering from ADHD, they always started many great product line and ideas but then all the sudden they will completely dropping their support on their own product and start something else, the issue with lack of E-mount lenses made the Nex system is a good backup unit for family P & S, but not for any serious photographer or professional users IMHO.
P.S. not all BMW owner are snobs or cocks, Audi drivers are.
Don't get me wrong, I love the NEX camera, its amaze me every time I use it and compare the photos with my D300s. I am looking forward for more Non Sony E-mount lenses becomes available in the future:)
Just came back from Mexico trip with kids with many beach photos ruined because of the "White Orbs" effect on bright sun light on water, sucks beyond words.
Special or not is all depending on Fujifilm get their act together and no more malfunction lemon so often found with their other "X" cameras. Dust inside lens right out from box, sticky shutter blades, "White Orbs" that they continue to deny about and no fix in coming future... all thing is looking good on PAPER only while the quality control went downhill for Fuji's products, do you have any idea how many loyal Fuji friends are really turned off now? Just search around the internet and see how many people are already try to get rid pf their X100 and X10 with low give away price or OBO...Fuji, are you listening? I am selling mine too and you needs to do a lot to win me back.
samhain: Of course people are gonna bash it, it flat out punks the 5d mkll, Nikon d700, etc in the iso & resolution depts and It's a fraction of the size and weight, topped off with great lenses in the $500-$700 price range. For street photography, it'll be the camera to beat. This camera is a game changer and you can bet canon, Nikon, etc will follow suite. $1600...I'm ok with that. Losing the weight, size & the less than discrete attributes of a dslr hanging around my neck is worth the price alone. The fact that it's auto focus and produces outstanding images at all iso's are just bonus. It'll have it's bugs, quirks and issues, but so has every other camera I've ever owned. Fuji is on to something really special here. I'm excited about this camera, but I'm ecstatic about what it will lead to in the future.
Special or not is all depending on Fujifilm get their act together and no more malfunction lemon so often found with their other "X" cameras. Dust inside lens right out from box, sticky shutter blades, "White Orbs" that they continue to deny about and no fix in coming future... all thing is looking good on PAPER only while the quality control went downhill for Fuji's products, do you have any idea how many loyal Fuji friends are really turned off now? Just search around the internet and see how many people are already try to get rid pf their X100 and X10 with low give away price or OBO...Fuji, are you listening?
I have the Nex-5n and its blew me away how good this little Sony can do, unfortunately like any other Sony products I have owed in the past, Sony seem to be suffering from ADHD, they always started many great product line and ideas but then all the sudden they will completely dropping their support on their own product and start something else, the issue with lack of E-mount lenses made the Nex system is a good backup unit for family P & S, but not for any serious photographer or professional users IMHO.
Also, why on earth Fuji now made a new series of high quality filters for X100, X pro 1 but the X10 users still struggle to find anything that mount on their X10...39 mm? 40 mm? 40.5 mm? ARe we being forgotten? You wanted our support but treated us like second class users and customers...
BTW, Before I bought the X10, I indeed prepare to replace my trusted Nikon D300s system with many lenses to the X Pro-1 system. But after the X10 experience and many other friend's X100 problem, I will never buy another Fuji product until they improve their quality control and costumer satisfaction first.
Honestly, I won a Fujifilm F10 point and shoot many years ago and my wife and I still love its super CCD and how good a little camera could handle high ISO so well. many trips and parties later we still occasionally use it, then I purchased a Fujifilm F100fd and love that little bugger as well. Fuji's camera build quality was great then, both these P & S is used by my 2 young sons and was being dropped on rocky, sandy and wet surface many times and the little Fujis just kept on shooting. Then I upgraded them to the X10 as our family P & S and travel camera...what a big disappointment! Bad build quality issues--->dust inside lens in the first 2 cameras I got, then the 3rd one on/off lens switch stuck! then the famous"White Orbs" issue which Fuji still in denial and still has no "Fix" for it. I loved Fuji camera for many years and I WANTED to continue support them, but after seeing the problem people had with their X100 and my experience with the X10...X Pro1.....NO THANKS FUJI!
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