how about an analysis of Google's and G+ terms. They were caught reading private emails from user accounts, so how about an easy to understand terms of service for them?
PhoCam: Adobe has lost the confidence of consumers, their stock is worthless, and other companies have been waiting for a stupid move like this so they can overtake market share and watch Adobe become non-relevant.
Unfortunately, their stock is at its upper range, and according to analysts who examine puts and calls to see what the market sentiment is... the big money players are neutral to bullish on the stock and many think it will break out and move higher.
Maybe that's their plan... they flood the markets with news about how happy everyone is with the cloud option... the stock skyrockets (for awhile until the market gets the real news of the backlash from their customer base) and then the big money shorts the stock and makes a killing of the collapse!
I wish I would have had the b__ls to have shorted Apple after the iPhone 5 release. If you were living is Asia... you would have seen the initial panic buying lines... and then in a very very short time, they were available everywhere - with no waiting lines, with financing that was never available for the iPhone 4S.
See where their stock is now?
You are next Adobe...
Bra1n: "Adobe Jumps Off A Cliff, Leaves Parachute Behind"...
...this quote is from commentator Joel West on the NASDAQ site about Adobe. He goes on to say...
"On the other hand, the shift to seek revenue growth through a new business model - rather than creating new products - could be seen as a sign of weakness".
Certainly Adobe's share market value today ($45) is less today than what it was mid 2007 ($47).
Adobe's products have now got to a stage where they are very bloated with functionality.
I think one of the previous posts is probably on the money. "It is the beginning of the end for Adobe".
When a company like Adobe stops listening to its customers, that IS a sure sign of the beginning of the end.
Now is a good time for other companies to ramp up their development. For example Microsoft's WebMatrix 3 is a free and is a potential replacement for Dreamweaver.
You want to trust MS? You are a dreamweaver!
Ms doesn't even try to give you what you already paid for... ex. from personal experience... I bought and registered Office. My hard disk crashed and I thought, no problem... I will just reinstall from my back up hd. Ever try that? Ever get ANY response from ms customer service? To make it short... the resulting experience (where I was "eventually" informed) by a user forum... never a response from ms... I was informed that I was SOL because somewhere along the way, ms decided they weren't going to support that version anymore and I would have to buy a new version.
Sounds like Adobe's new scheme, doesn't it?
Anyway, since I was on a Mac, I went to the App store and paid $20 for the pages and numbers programs and kept the other $200+ into my pocket. Do I miss MS? NOT AT ALL.
Wake up Adobe...
JohnyP: Windows 8 and Pontiac Aztec all over again. This time from Adobe....
When will these executives stop being dumb? It's clear what they are trying to do - prevent piracy of Adobe CS because they can't figure out how to structure licensing. So instead of doing what really needs to be done - making software cheaper and allowing more people to buy it, they are trying to force everyone into rental of software.
Good luck with that Adobe, and Winston Hendrickson - I hope you own some earplugs and a butt cushon! Because the amount of screaming and spanking you are going to receive after this move turns into a fiasco will be substantial.
Lightroom is not a replacement of Photoshop for photographers. We don't just process raw and put a copyright.... Many photographers use photoshop because it's not as stupidly slow as Lightroom and because we can do other types of work besides just processing images.
I'm not worried - someone will fill the void (too bad none of current converts don't suck.
Didn't you read the statement from Bill Gates a day or two ago?He said people are disappointed with iPad and android devices and will love making the move to his Windows 8 and his pad with a keyboard device. Can you believe he is one of the richest and most successful people out there? Yes... I guess he is living on the same planet as the execs from Adobe! Somewhere out there... WAY out there!
Cailean Gallimore: I've never used any Adobe products, because I've never been willing to pay their ridiculously high prices. There are other products out there that work well - some free, some for a reasonable price.
Depends on the price and upgrade policy! I am now on my D800E... and it will probably be my last purchase, since I am retired with very limited income now. I also think I will never change from my CS6 Creative Suite. Certainly will never buy into their cloud bs! I considered my income and my age and resigned myself that my last camera upgrade would most likely be my... last. Maybe (for a camera upgrade) it might make sense since I will probably be dead in the not too distant future!
KrisAK: Thin-end of the wedge: "processor-intensive features, such as Camera Shake Reduction tool, where the work can be conducted in the cloud..."
Where do they draw the line between what runs locally and what runs in the cloud? Particularly when it's in their interest to get-to-market quicker by developing for server deployment, versus optimizing for desktop operation?
"Adobe® Flash® Media Server on Amazon Web Services™"
Which became:"Adobe® Media Server 5 on Amazon Web Services™"
"Adobe® Photoshop® Creativity Server on Amazon Web Services™"
(Of course, if access to the CC Suite is rolled into my Amazon Prime account, along with unlimited 2-day delivery and streaming past episodes of 'Breaking Bad', then I'm all for it...)
Yes... Breaking Bad would make it be (almost) worth it!
Husaberg Grok: What adobe and many others fail to realize or acknowledge, is that there are many who can't or do not want to connect to the internet or the "cloud". Out of necessity I avoid applications that require a connection for functionality. I often spend time in regions that have satellite reception only.I've used pc's before there was an internet and they worked fine, it's bad enough that you require a power source! More devices including BluRay players and TV's are hooking up to the internet to add functionality and make our lives easier. While this is true to an extent, there are still hands on methods aavailable such as when you upgrade firmware on our cameras. We are heading to a point where we will pay for our complacency and lazyness. You will have to be "plugged in", "subscribed", "maintained", "monitored", and so on. It's like an addiction.
"My guess (just a guess) is that if the professionals cooperate with the subscription model, Adobe will attempt to shift consumers to the subscription model within 3 years." previously credited quote from an investment advisory service.
Time to start looking for your alternatives.
Frank Moeller: A an non profit Photographer I only use light room and Photoshop Element, I'll Guess there is no changes for us amateurs.Am I right????
"My guess (just a guess) is that if the professionals cooperate with the subscription model, Adobe will attempt to shift consumers to the subscription model within 3 years." From the previously credited investment advisory article.
Artpt: I thought this link from an investor would be worth sharing to the group....
The best quote, IMHO, "My guess (just a guess) is that if the professionals cooperate with the subscription model, Adobe will attempt to shift consumers to the subscription model within 3 years." So much for them saying we won't do that to LR or??? Trust us... the check is in the mail!
JakeB: This is a money grab at the expense of honest users, plain and simple.
Ilya the Great: If only Nik software could replace PS! Can it?
Now that is a GREAT idea!
Astrofalcon: This is the greatest thing to ever happen to software! I hope all other software company's follow this model eventually...
I update every year the second new versions are released, the cloud just makes it so much easier and cheaper!
I don't understand everyone's negative reaction this this?? If you want to used old out-dated software you're more than welcome to. The idea of updated software is to make it better, faster and speed up the workflow among other things. Time is money in this industry. Why don't people value their time???
I upgrade each time, also. I also know that this is not cheaper. obviously you are not a professional accountant that is an amateur photographer.
rgames1: Interesting decision - they're moving the CS titles out of the amateur market. In the broader world of professional software, there are relatively few software packages that allow perpetual licenses, so this type of licensing is standard for most professions. Adobe products have been different, of course, because they have such a huge amateur user base. People don't buy enterprise resource planning or point of sale software packages and mess around with them in their free time.
I seriously doubt the move will have any effect on their base of professional users (the costs increases are small). Adobe is establishing a clearer distinction between their professional products and their less-featured counterparts (the Elements series). The amateurs will just switch from the full-featured software to the "lite" versions.
If you're a professional, that's actually a good thing because (in theory) Adobe will have more time to devote to the concerns of its professional user base.
Now, I wish I would have been a pirate instead of being an honest, good paying customer! Then, I would say that we would have deserved each other!
So now us... (amateurs) who supported you for many years, and helped make Adobe what they are today, get screwed? Not because of the piracy excuse, but because we can't afford the "new ticket price" to be included with the anointed ones! If we wanted to use the other products, don't you think we would have chosen them before... to save money? No... we trusted you and now we get screwed! Plain and Simple! FU!
Clint Dunn: The funniest thing about the litany of complaints here is that the majority of you don't pay for the SW...you use pirated copies. Go ahead...tell me I'm wrong:) For every Pro out there with a legit copy of PS is a 'Pro' doing $500 weddings on weekends with $2000 of SW they got off a torrent site.
Since i can't teach PS anymore... Please read my new self-help book..."How To Become An adobe Pirate." Sure to be #1 on the NYT list!
JJ Rodin: This does forebode the beginning of the on-line subscription of many things I suspect, M$ being next with Win9 & Office I am sure! Who else is next.
I have to say it really sux donkey meat!
Adobe has NEVER lacked in arrogance, we now see that money is their only criteria of success in the future.
They have just lost any/all of my business once this becomes active, but I am sure many suckers will slurp on the nipple of the cloud,
Have you ever tried Microsoft Customer Service??? I know... an oxymoron! How come the EU didn't "shut them out" and cancel all subscriptions after they forgot their settlement agreement?
That's an idea... Come on Brussels... outlaw all "subscription only" or "cloud only" software!
Deano255: It sounds like a lot of people who are complaining the loudest are people who have pirated (i.e. stolen) the software and seem to feel they are entitled to it and upgrades forever. Do you steal your cameras too? Sorry, no sympathy here. Your piracy just drives up the costs for us who do pay. Adobe is a company selling intellectual property, not a welfare institution.
Take the cork out of your __s and fill the hole where your brain is supposed to be! I don't think that the pirates are complaining at all. Only an idiot or an adobe fan boy would think that!
gw5815: Just sayin' -- http://www.zdnet.com/adobe-q1-earnings-soar-as-creative-cloud-subscriptions-surpass-500k-7000012843/
You are quite the adobe fan boy gw... I hope you get fired when they fire you after they have to downsize...
sportyaccordy: I dont see the problem. *If you are actually buying the software and keeping up with updates,* this new subscription deal will be cheaper in the long run ($600/yr vs $1200/yr for each new version of CS). Plus it pretty much nukes any compatibility issues. If you go for a year subscription you won't have a monthly bill anyway- just 1 annual bill, which would be half of what you would be paying for the offline version. Plus I am not sure what the deal is with the old software but I imagine they would keep selling it for people who don't want to commit. When you run the numbers, it works out better, *for people who actually buy the products.*
Something tells me much of the bellyaching is coming from people who have never given a dime to Adobe, or can't do basic math. Either way I am sure Adobe won't miss your Bittorrent downloads. It's a great business move and an indicator of things to come.
What are you smoking? Whatever it is, it has really clouded your mind! Don't give me your crap about "it works out better..." I have BOUGHT EVERY UPGRADE since CS came out, and you must have flunked math to think that the people that paid are NOT being screwed "for the sake of fighting piracy."
How is it cheaper... I never paid $1,200 per upgrade? Get real!
If you paid $1,200, then this is cheaper, but many of us didn't have to pay that much. And you are talking about the "special (that means the bend over... and don't expect a kiss) introductory" price, and not the normal price.
I have friends who DO pirate and they always laughed at me for buying... now Adobe is laughing too!
I was once a young, making lots of money person (although never arrogant like you) and it didn't matter what I spent on anything. After many surgeries and other money sucking events (divorces), disabilities, etc and now living on SS, are we supposed to pay Adobe a monthly fee or be cut off in the future?