mpgxsvcd: Another really important point is that ALL recent Panasonic cameras will use 1/(2 times the focal length) or 1/60 of a second, whichever is faster, for Auto ISO shots in Program priority mode unless the ISO is already maxed out. Almost all of the dpreview shots in low light are at 1/60 of a second and almost none of them have any motion.
If dpreview had taken a shot with any motion at all under those conditions it would have been readily apparent that the shutter speed was too slow. Nikon cameras have a min shutter speed function that would prevent this from happening. In fact the really inexpensive Panasonic LX7 has the same function.
Maybe if dpreview pointed this out Panasonic would do something about it? They seem to listen to what dpreview says.
On the GH2 I used there was a really neat feature called intelligent ISO, it was detecting motion and adjusted shutter speed accordingly. Brilliant. I hope the GX-7 is having that feature.
Zvonimir Tosic: Q is a system camera, which can instantly switch its modus operandi and take all new perspectives on photography depending on lenses and converters used. In fact it is unique and incomparable. To say it looks like the G15, P7700 or XZ-something, is true to the same degree as to say that you look like Albert Einstein.
Yes, people compare the Q to the other compact all the time. You can do it of course, just like you can compare the RX100 and the D800, for fun. But they are completely different tools.
A G15 or MX-1 maybe all that someone needs but the Q is more versatile and is more DSLR-like in its handling (manual zoom, yeah!). My hope is a true rectilinear UWA (12-24mm) that would make the Q truly unmatched by other compacts.
Sergey Kostrov: I hope Pentax-Ricoh engineers and managers will read it. The camera is full of inconsistencies and that is why I didn't buy it during my last visit to a local camera-store.
- It is Very overpriced. I've spent less money for Sony NEX-5N compared to any Pentax Q MSRPs- Price-to-Square-Pixel Ratio is the Highest among almost all cameras ( it is calculated as follows: MSRP divide by 7.44 divide 5.58, where 7.44 and 5.58 are sensor dimensions in mm )- In Manual mode with a Non Pentax lens ISO is limited to 1600 in Bulb mode (*)- In Manual mode with a Non Pentax lens in Bulb mode the longest exposure is 2 seconds (**)- Would I worry about all these color combinations? No- Pentax claims that it is very popular in Japan. N/A here in North America since we have different living standards ( houses, apartments, cars, etc bigger )- Why somebody should buy that camera for $500 when a Smartphone costs less than $150 and IQ is Not worse?
Please fix (*) and (**) and I''ll buy Pentax Q7.
Most of your complaining is about the price. Sorry for you but just like the Sony RX there's no equivalent at any price.
RichRMA: Those crying for new features like articulated LCDs and dual controls dials also miss the point. The camera is a specific, artistic (like it or leave it) DESIGN. Deviating from that like you would with any plain-jane black DSLR would corrupt the design. It would be like putting four doors on a 1970 Corvette. It might make it more acceptable for some users, but would compromise the design.
I hear you but I don't think adding a second dial or an articulated LCD would have compromised the design that much.
peevee1: Right, because replacing the 16-mpix Sony sensor from NEX-C3 with 16-mpix Sony sensor from NEX-5r (with PDAF), and writing firmware so the PDAF would actually work, was too much work for 18 months. They'd rather build it in a few more colors.
What makes you think this PDAF sensor is available to Pentax?
RichRMA: "Serious" photographers who simply must have all cameras in black on black are no different than the average driver today who seems incapable of choosing a car unless it is white, black or grey. It's depressing that so many people are lock-step conformists, terrified of what their friends or neighbhours might think if they deviate from the "norm."
I agree with you about the color... BTW I have a red car and a yellow K-01 :-)
Now that said the announcement is a bit a non-event, why announce the color as if it was important? The re-release is nice but everybody (who has a K-01) is waiting for an improved K-02. There's many easy things to do : dual dials, hinged LCD, maybe an EVF, bigger buffer, etc.
Joseph S Wisniewski: Canon announces a new sensor that will change the face of the mirrorless market, and Pentax announces powder blue?
This old Pentax fan just wants to hide.
The funny thing is that this K-01 is still beating all the crop Canon DSLR in IQ. Maybe the 70D will catch up this time?
Zvonimir Tosic: Pentax was always a *product brand name*, almost never a company name.Owned by Asahi Optical company up to late 1990s/early 2000s, it existed just a few years as Pentax company, then it became product brand name again, for Hoya, now for Ricoh, who bought it from Hoya.My Pentax cameras, ME Super, K-7, Q, were never Pentax made cameras. One was made by Asahi Optical, other two by Hoya.It seems just a few people around here bother to understand what is Pentax actually.
That's very true, for decades it was just a product name from Asahi Optical, just like Panasonic was for Matsushita. Then the companies changed their names to these product because of brand recognition.
I just hope they will keep the Pentax name for the WG-3 type of camera because this was fitting quite well with their weathersealed DSLR. Otherwise I don't think many people will regret the other Pentax compacts, IMHO Ricoh was better anyway in creating quality compacts.
travelshots_dpr: I don't agree with Dpreview's complaints about the clickless front wheel. This is perfect for focus and zoom operation. If you assign other functions to the front wheel, you still have the display to control the values. If you want to have clicks, simply use the back wheel. I am very satisfied (in practice) with Sony's design decision and would hate if Sony would have built the camera the way Dpreview obviously likes.
According display in sunlight: Did you turn the display to sunny mode (not automatic)? In sunny mode the display is much brighter and I haven't encountered any situation when I could not use the display (in opposite to previous compacts I have had).
By the way: If there is any Sony camera (including DSLRs and SLTs) that deservs a gold medal, it is RX100.
Yes, if you read the RX100 designers interview, the lack of clicks was done on purpose to facilitate manual focusing. I like it that way too but I think the UI is a bit sluggish in the sense that you have to move the ring a bit too much. The sensitivity of this ring should have been customization. But it's minor nitpick IMHO.
I also agree with the LCD, it's the only LCD screen I can see somewhat in sunlight. All the others I used (920k screens, Amoled, etc) have not been this good.
Charlie Jin: It's been about a couple of weeks since I had Sony RX-100. Wow~! I just cannot believe how they can do this. It's so compact that I am bringing RX100 all the time, like my iPhone. I have been using Canon 7D and it's collecting dust since then. The image quality of RX 100 is so good that I wonder whether I really need 7D. With Eye-Fi, I save pics directly to my iPhone/iPad, and edit it there with various picture editing apps. Great !
What is really impressive is that the manual control is better than 7D. With 7D, 70% of the time, I used manual mode, and I was wondering whether any compact camera will give such DSLR like manual control. My Panasonic LX-3 was probably my worst buy. Expensive, so and so image quality and control was aweful. With Sony RX100, manual control was really delightful. I love it better than my 7D.
BTW, it is very strange that DP Review didn't give it a Gold Award though. No, I'm not a Sony fan. I have not bought a Sony product for quite a long time.
They are certainly comparable. At base ISO there's not that much that will distinguish it from a DSLR even with a good lens. Of course at high ISO the DSLR is better and they can use better lenses. But what this pocket camera achieves is already marvelous.
Now maybe the RX100 is better than 7D for manual controls but honestly it doesn't hold a candle to my Pentax K-5 (or any other Pentax DSLR I used in the past). But then Pentax is better than most cameras when you consider handling and ease of use. HyperManual and HyperProgram rule!
Jokica: @R Butler:"Best in class doesn't guarantee a Gold - it has to be a standout camera."1. OK, I can understand this.2. Looks odd for Best-in-class camera not to get highest award.Maybe DPR should reconsider the rating system to cover these situations.Maybe there should be something like "Editor Choice", "Platinum", etc (you will came up with something more appropriate), or to give the camera more than one mark. Sorry, but seems, hmm... (I dont know the right word) for best in class not to be awarded with Gold. RX100 deserves to be somehow (beside %) distinguished from others, silver, not the best in class cameras. MHO. Regards.
Please define "standout" for me. English is not my native language but if the RX100 is not a standout I wonder what is.
Craig Atkinson: why do people get so excited? It's a camera, a good one, not a perfect one. I think a percentage rating is fine as long as it's read in context. I see it as being relevant today. Of course in six months it wont be the same, better cameras of the same type will be out. Today though the RX100 is best / second best [ricoh grd4] in its class. It might be the only camera of it's class, seems so.
Dpreview could develop two sliding scale systems. One which is the rating of the camera at the time of release and another which slides with time, so most likely will slide down as new tech is developed and released. 78% I think is fair. It's too small, it has no snap function or way of measuring distance. It has no real grip. It has no lens thread...A great camera but far from perfect. As far as the GRD4, they are both great cameras.
IMHO the percentage ratings are completely useless, I never even glance at them. These scales are too subjective. Even PopPhoto have better scales where you can actually compare things.
Fortunately the review is otherwise detailed enough that you can gather real information.
Nice review but the decision to give it only a silver award is a bit weird IMHO. The fact that this is an unique camera in many ways with an unmatched feature set for its size didn't seem to have weighted a lot in the reviewer final decision. I can understand that there are some glitches or some annoyances here and there but the RX100 is truly a game changer IMHO. It's a milestone that is pushing the boundaries of what a compact camera is supposed able to do. It's a benchmark for future high end compact cameras. And unfortunately Dpreview missed the opportunity to celebrate this...
ManuH: For 280$ That's quite a lot of camera. I like that they included a remote sensor (not even the 650$ RX100 has this important feature for any tripod work), a viewfinder (even at low res, but at this price it's good to have one), an useful zoom range (love the 22mm). More intriguing is the apparently mechanical zoom, or is it just a dial like the Canon S90?
Alas the suspense is over, it's not mechanical and there's no ring:http://www.photographyblog.com/images/uploads_news/pentax_x5_2.jpgThe picture of the top is clear.
JJJPhoto: I would have been interested in this bridge camera if it had a hot shoe for external flash. I just don't see the point of a camera this big that doesn't have a hot shoe.
I agree, Pentax missed an easy opportunity here to sell more of their flashes.
For 280$ That's quite a lot of camera. I like that they included a remote sensor (not even the 650$ RX100 has this important feature for any tripod work), a viewfinder (even at low res, but at this price it's good to have one), an useful zoom range (love the 22mm). More intriguing is the apparently mechanical zoom, or is it just a dial like the Canon S90?
What about a f/4 constant zoom for a change? I like small zooms but I'm getting bored by f/5.6 zooms at the long end.
highwave: Finally, a successor to the FZ20 after 8 years!
And how convenient, the name just adds a zero to the right
Yes it's the spiritual successor of the FZ20. Not really the FZ30/50 though as it lacks the bigger sensor and the second dial but the f/2.8 constant zoom is just awesome.
ppastoris: To DPReview : a suggestion. Could you guys please post equivalent F-numbers (in terms of DOF and light gathering ability) when you post equivalent focal length numbers? E.g. LX7's 4.7-17.7 F1.4-2.3 is the equivalent of 24-90 F7.2-11.7, not of 24-90 F1.4-2.3; similarly for FZ200 it's either 4.5-108 F2.8 or the equivalent of 25-600 F15.6 in 35mm standard.
Being one of the most influential camera review websites on the Internet you could really help your readers to understand what a lens designed for a smaller than 35mm sensor is actually capable of photographically. Clearly posting the equivalent angle of view (by posting an equivalent focal length) is only half of the story.
1) I don't know why everything has to be compared to 35mm. For me it would be more useful to compare to APS-C which is what I'm using.2) Even if the equivalence numbers are mathematically right, in practice the sensors efficiency are never scaling perfectly between formats. A 1/2.3" could be more efficient per area than a 35mm sensor.
viking79: I like how it out performs all the best L glass at 40 mm, of course you give up the added range. Looks like a winner for $200.
The new Canon behaves a lot like the Pentax DA 40mm f/2.8 also a pancake: good resolution very even across the frame from wide open but doesn't really reach much higher resolution on stopping down.