Yeah, got it.
Just thought I'd treat it as serious statement, since there are those who claim iPhones are excellent cameras.
of course they are phones..... that can make quick shots of reasonable quality as well - handy?
Ed Villanueva: my iPhone 6 plus would cost me at least twice that by the time I am done paying for it thru Verizon and can't even come close to what this camera can do photographically. I know it's unfair to compare a smartphone to a real camera, but a lot of people that owned an iPhone uses it as their everyday pocket cam.
correct - as a pocket cam..... this sony ain't pocket cam - it's a little brick.
photophile: "This creates more space behind each pixel so that the high speed processing circuitry can be fitted into the middle of the chip, rather than the data having to work its way to the edges, first. This allows much faster data readout..."
Surely electrons travel a good fraction of the speed of light even in circuitry...hardly matters over millimeters....
Try thinking in 3D…2D thinking => linear millimetres’ thinking, hence your remark "over millimetres"... but the thickness of the die is only few tens of micrometres. Signal has to leave the die first – i.e. try thinking in 3D…. It is very important to process minute signal amplitudes as soon as they are recovered by photocells, to avoid degradation / losses and keep dynamic range at sufficient levels. What Sony did? -> they copied Samsung revolutionary V-NAND technology and applied it to their sensors… still, a necessary step forward in trying to minimise power losses by ever decreasing the thickness of a die.
Buttons252: I have never owned a canon camera nor want too, but these scores are a pile of rubbish. I have used 5d mkiii and 6d for paid gigs. Borrowed a rebel T3i to compared against my Pentax K-X (long time ago). Each time ive used a canon i have been impressed with its output. Not just in the quality of the photos which were excellent but their whole system -- flash, lenses, autofocus and knock on wood -- no failures. They are good cameras that will get the job done.
Unbelievable.... comment from a guy who never owned canon gear scores 10 likes only because he wrote a ton of BS that is pleasing to canon owners…
Guess the chance of canon ever investing in sensor technology, or, God forbid, in a capable autofocus system. Why’d they do that? There are still millions out there who are ready to pay thousands of dollars for a dog poo wrapped in a shiny paper.
TonyC5D: Sorry but if I was an Exec at Sony I would not be happy with these pictures as a demonstration of the cameras abilities. Chromatic aberrations, over exposure and poor focus seem to be prevalent. Surely a camera of this quality and price is capable of better.
It is definitely not. It is an oversized, overpriced P & S camera that can't fit in a pocket.
Boky: LX100 is a clear winner. It is bluntly obvious - at all ISO's (in particular high 3200 ISO where Sony and canon start falling apart..). Even the corners look very good. In other words, you get the high quality sensor AND optics in one package.
Sony's learned from canon... all the bad things - repackage, change/increase the number, and charge $200 more. Lame.
ok, I jut used the COMPare mode. I can still see the most uniform sharpens across the full frame on LX100. Details? Can not really call it between RX100III or LX100
The fact is that IV is not better in any way compared to III or LX100.
Canon has the best-exposed pictures, at all ISO,s + I like how they handle the noise best.
I hope that IV will have something to justify the price hike...!!!
would up-scaling also affect the across-the frame superior sharpness of Leica lens?
LX100 is a clear winner. It is bluntly obvious - at all ISO's (in particular high 3200 ISO where Sony and canon start falling apart..). Even the corners look very good. In other words, you get the high quality sensor AND optics in one package.
JurijTurnsek: The sad part here is that Canon probably already has a 4K version completed in the lab, along with a integrated EVF version, only to be released as incremental updates next year and the year after that.
Now, if you like to support businesses that take advantage of you like that and charge a pretty penny for the smallest updates, go right ahead. But you are just confirming their sales strategy and don't give them incentive to change.
This IS the full-blown version.... but intentionally crippled in firmware with an icing for hard-core canon fans - an EVF removed. Wouldn't be neither the first nor the last for canon. Many happy returns!
fatdeeman: So much work and progress with the liveview performance and then they basically cripple the potential of the OVF af performance. I don't know why they even bothered slapping on the 19 point system.
They might as well have ditched the mirror and put an EVF in.
And can people stop parroting about how the camera will only ever be used with the kit lens? Even if that's true it doesn't mean it's acceptable for the camera to underperform. With that attitude the review might as well have been one paragraph saying "good enough for the majority of users" in fact why bother having this website at all because all of the information on here will be meaningless to the typical DSLR user?
canon AF open loop / closed servo system are fundamentally flawed. For body / lens combo to work correctly as it should with canon, BOTH lenses and body will need to be upgraded. They are trying what they can by upgrading the body section of the AF system, but guess the chance of them fixing their lens (I’m talking the L) base.... I've already stated that buying canon dSLR without AF micro-adjust is ludicrous. canon selling their dSLR's without this function is straight down criminal.
bovverwonder: I just sold my Canon FF the same day the Sony A7R II was announced. I was sold that quick! I also shoot with Oly EM5 mk2 and Fuji XT1 (which I both love!) so I'm familiar with mirrorless. I was a Canon fanboy (heavily invested) and so are millions of shooters but I saw the light and had to get out of my comfort zone. Going to sell the remaining of all my L lenses/speedlights to fund the A7RII and a few Sony lenses. Bye bye Canon, hello mirrorless - it's the future!
You DID manage to sell the Canon in ONE day only...
brilliant camera. my only remark is that there's so much "green" in thepreliminary photo samples. not sure if they did it on purpose or not, but the green colour saturation is quite frankly scary!
Powerful photo, well done! What is that thing next to (between) his feet?