Please, this time remember that we are talking about a "superzoom" camera and that the optical performance, AF, IS, etc. of an extended zoom lens is different than when the same lens is in the wide position. So, if you can't provide outdoors, real-world, "handheld", one single distant subject, spot-center-focused, NR to 0, lowest ISO, side-by-side comparative samples. At least it must be one ail or two points 10-15 mts away inside your offices to provide relevant comparative samples for real users of this very specific type of cameras (birders the most, airshows, wildlife, flowers and nature, cocerts, long distance events and similar observers).
Thanks in advance,
By the way, I forgot to post the details comparative analysis you asked me to do in between SX30IS and HS20 some months ago. I'll post them in Canon and Fuji forums. What do you know about FZ150 longest end zoom performance.
Van du Nord: yes ZAnton, that is true. Some years ago the trend was as many pixels as possible until the pictures became worse. Today they supply crazy zooms, do you really need a 800mm on a small camera? Why don't they focus on the lens- and sensor quality itself instead of breaking stupid marketing records.
Say it a third time.
A Canon funboy? Maybe, that's why I objectively chose a Panasonic LX3 as my main camera, and why I chose a Panasonic DMC-TS2 as my underwater, rainy , snowy and/or sandy days and places camera, and why I chose a Panasonic ZS7 for my wife. But you are right I must be a Canon funboy since I chose an SX30IS for distant wildlife subject’s identification purposes.
So I'm not a BRAND funboy, as you indeed seem to be. But you are right; I'm a funboy at the end, a QUALITY funboy, who independently evaluates all brands looking for the best camera for the purpose I'm trying to solve. And in the P&S superzoom area, so far, Canon SX30IS is the one that produces the best output of distant subjects. You don't agree, please anybody, send us two side by side, real world, longest zoom, and distant subject’s samples to compare SX30IS with any other P&S superzoom unit. I'll do the objective details comparison by free, to allow everybody to reach his/her own conclusion.
800mm ?YES I doEvery brand has excelent IQ cameras with almost no zooms, LX , G, etcIf you do not really need superzoom capability, why are you evaluating a superzoom camera? I do not even use my superzoom camera for wide photos, I use my LX3.
But probably dpreview is the one to blame. Why do they post a "wide" sample, "in studio" photo, of "several" "inanimated" objects, when what real superzoom users need is the "longest end" sample, "outdoor" photo, of one "unique" "distant" and probably "animated" wildlife subject, to compare among the several good P&S available.
But I supouse that its easier to stay inside a comfortable office close to internet to chat, to twitter and to play wiht the computer instead of doing the effort of going to the country side with several P&S SZ and do the job for what Amazon is paying them for, to sell more.
By the way, all my indepent outdoor comparative tests have shown that Canon SX30IS still producing the best P&S distant subject output so far.
Condor: Since we are talking about P&S superzoom camers, long end zoom outdoor real-world samples are a must to compare. As a P&S user for more than 15 year, I've never took any "studio" photo in my life, and wide samples are irrelevant for real superzoom users.
Again, I'm being a real P&S user for 15 years, I have never cared about those fancy noise, saturation, etc factors but the image output as a whole. In superzoom case, the image quality at the long end has no direct relation with the image quality at wide. In fact, normally wide output of good superzoom cameras is awful at wide compared with non superzoomm P&S. Is the long end output which justify the existance of superzoom cameras, not its wide output.
Since we are talking about P&S superzoom camers, long end zoom outdoor real-world samples are a must to compare. As a P&S user for more than 15 year, I've never took any "studio" photo in my life, and wide samples are irrelevant for real superzoom users.
Thanks to dpreview for the real-world comparison tool. It totally makes a difference to compare real cameras output, just check the trees or bushes to see what I mean.
So far I have detected two technical problems as improving oportunities. First, it does not go to "full scene mode" in my Notebook (I've tried three times). Second, the selection zone stuck in the bottom of the samples photo in my Ipad but it does go to the "full scene mode".
It is excellent tool. So good that it should be merged just in one page but with the option of sellecting different kind of side-by-side samples. I mean wide, zoomed, portraits, groups, macros, indoor, with flash,(underwater in this case), moving subjects, pets, sports, etc. etc.
Condor: I would like to see real superzoom subjects as distant birds and animals, plains and similars (as in airshows), to be able to compare with the one that won the real users side-by-side comparison last year, the Canon SX30IS, which is the camera that I bought. I would like to see real-life subjects side-by-side comarisons of that Canon and all new super zooms; Olympus, Sony, Panasonic,etc.
Thanks for your input. I wasn't thinking in BIF at all (birds inflight. Since I know superzoom cameras just can't manage them yet, as GH2 can't either. I was thinking in normal distant birds perched, on land, on water, on city objects. And almost all cities in the world have several places were they use to stay and even live. In London cases there are several parks and St. James Park is close enough to almost everywhere. All big cities have permanent Airshows called "airports". No big professional effort is needed to provide thousands or millions people around the world with usefull superzoom camera samples, specially if you are paid for that and for increase Amazon sales. If dpreview can´t, just send me the cameras and I will published detailed real life side-by-side detailed comparisons at full zoom of real superzoom subjects.
I would like to see real superzoom subjects as distant birds and animals, plains and similars (as in airshows), to be able to compare with the one that won the real users side-by-side comparison last year, the Canon SX30IS, which is the camera that I bought. I would like to see real-life subjects side-by-side comarisons of that Canon and all new super zooms; Olympus, Sony, Panasonic,etc.