Wow people are gushing about this camera. What happened to APS-C was dead? And they are willing to pay $1700 for it, about the same for an E-M 1 also. I thought sensor prices were getting cheaper and removing mirrors would reduce cost but you can almost buy a FF camera with or without mirror for this price. D7100 and K5IIs or K3 are looking like bargains. Compare a Pentax K-50 to a Fuji X-M1, Fuji is bare bones and Pentax comes with prism OVF and weather sealing. I like mirrorless concept but we are being gouged for what should be much cheaper cameras.
Could buy 2 APS-C one 16MP and one 24MP for the price of this and both could be top models.
Gordon L: I love the concept of a compact full frame camera, long overdue from camera makers. A thousand bucks for a 50mm f1.8? gimme a break. $800 for a 35mm f28? As usual Sony is not delivering decent lens choices. Their marriage to Zeiss is unfortunate. Ziess produces huge over-build over-prices clunky lenses that often test out no better than much cheaper lenses from other makers. Sony nees to take a few pages from Fuji, talk to some actual photographers. I've never even considered the NEX system because of the lens choices.
I am sure at some point in future we will see Canon and Nikon make full frame EVIL mirrorless cameras that do not need adapters to work with their respective full frame lens lineups. Next year Fujii is supposed to produce X200 full frame fixed lens like APS-C X100 now discontinued.
Beat Traveller: Nice set of improvements. I'm personally happy enough with the overall performance of the X-E1 that nothing here makes me seriously consider an upgrade, but I like where these cameras are headed.
New processor,new sensor and new rear screen I would call them major improvements unlike the changes on the D610 over the 600.
skinnymakespretty: full frame x-trans sounds sweet. cmon x-pro2 !
There are rumors X200 next year,fixed lens full frame X camera.
Photoworks: 16mp ... yawn !!!
Personally APS-C and 16mp is my favorite, 24mp is better suited to full frame, I like bigger pixels and 16mp is more than enough for me.
rxbot: I don't understand why they didn't use the A mount.They have full frame A99 that uses A mount lens. E mount has been all APS-C lens so why not leave it like that.Whether you shoot landscape or studio commercial if you shoot 36mp you will most likely use a tripod so size and weight may not be a factor for some people but lens will be important for everyone.
@peevee thanx 4 understanding only the mount has to be thicker not the whole body so FF A mount lens would not need adapter to use with these cameras.
Can't the mount be thicker so the lens ( A mount full frame) is the same distance away from the sensor. It is like shimming the mount away from the body which is like adding an adapter to an existing mount it puts the lens farther away from the body.
I don't understand why they didn't use the A mount.They have full frame A99 that uses A mount lens. E mount has been all APS-C lens so why not leave it like that.Whether you shoot landscape or studio commercial if you shoot 36mp you will most likely use a tripod so size and weight may not be a factor for some people but lens will be important for everyone.
Well you could get a slower(as to light transmission) m4/3s lens but because of sensor size dof will be similar and 3 models of 14-150 meaning 300mm at long end and weighing 280 grams.Add a G6 and you end up with lighter cheaper package which you have lots of other lens choices. Wouldn't you like to walk around with a small pancake sometimes.Lots of other bodies to choose from too. Or you could get a Nikon P7800 and have close to the same package for less than half the price and weight. While the Sony is appealing I think it is too much for relatively small sensor fixed lens camera.
Stergios57: Nice try, but cumbersome. Waiting for the perfect enthusiast travel camera I would like to day-dream of a new incarnation of the Canon G1X which seemed to be over-sensored/under-lensed.My dream: A beefed-up G16 with 1 inch sensor, 24-105mm, aperture ...well I would be fine with either constant f2.8, or f2.8-4 or f2-4. Don't forget the fully articulating screen and a proper EVF please.
Micro 4/3s can give him what he wants plus the sensor is twice the size of a 1 inch.
ottonis: Haha, reading a bit through the comment section, one can conclude that the new Sony A7/r must be the worst camera ever.The same people that have complained about the R1 being "not a serious camera" because lacking a VF, now complain about the A7/r's viewfinder.This is truly amazing.
On a serious note, the A7/r have addressed virtually all shortcomings of the previous NEX line (problems with WA lenses, slow AF, NEX menu, no sealing) and of the RX1 (slow AF, no integrated VF, no grip), and merged the best of both worlds (FF RX and NEX) into one small-ish, well-built, weather-proof and sturdy housing.
For the first time, NEX users who loved the NEX line because of the ability to attach all the nice legacy glass, can do so even better and on a FF body. The FE lenses are yet to come, but let's be honest here: The A7/r is primarily made for the enthusiasts with dozens of old great glass sitting in their closet, wating to be attached to a gorgeous, small FF camera.
There are going to be issues with IQ when using lens that needs adapter no matter how good the lens or adapter or who makes them.There was never an FE mount lens till now.So you are starting at lens 1-5, good luck.
Steve Phillips: I know it's early days .... but do you know if you will be able to use Leica M Mount lenses ( with Adaptor ) in Full Frame Mode ?Could be interesting !
Just because there is an adapter does not mean that m mount lens will work well with this body as the micro lens on sensor were not designed to be used with that lens. Also with 24 and 36 mp sensors adapters can cause problems because of alignment issues plus you need top of the line lens to work with these sensors. Sony should have used A mount on body configured so FF A mount lens would not need adapter to work on these bodies. Then if you had an A99 you could share lens without adapter. Sony will never have a lens lineup to match Canon,Nikon ,K mount or m4/3s lineups.
Nice package but you know I could buy an APS-C Pentax K-30 or K-50 with 18-135 wr lens and only weigh about 200 grams more,and I would have close to enough money left over to add 28mmf1.8 Sigma prime.
14 bit and dual card slots, that's pro spec which the E-M 1 is not.
rxbot: The M 1 and A 1 should be tested with the 18mm f2 lens and tested against each other and other cameras fitted with similar 28mm equivalent lens. I would include the E-M 1 as this would just compare still IQ not other aspects it would be interesting to see how a $600 with kit lens (A 1) but use the 18mm for test would compare to GX7,E-M 1,NEX6,NX300 and say Nikon D7000 to keep it at 16MP and of course the GR and Nikon A should be included also.
Well the Fuji 18 is a pancake so edge performance suffers as is typical of pancakes. Center performance is quite good I believe. Obviously I picked 18mm for ease of comparison to GR and NikonA. Since GR and the A are fixed lens we can't use a Sigma or something that is available for all. Still would be interesting to see results as we know the GR and the A are very good.
Trollshavethebestcandy: What no cat?!?!?!?!? People 99% of the time take cat pics so if you want real world items put some purr and fur in there dang it! I want cat pics!
Stuffed lynx would be purrrfect !
The M 1 and A 1 should be tested with the 18mm f2 lens and tested against each other and other cameras fitted with similar 28mm equivalent lens. I would include the E-M 1 as this would just compare still IQ not other aspects it would be interesting to see how a $600 with kit lens (A 1) but use the 18mm for test would compare to GX7,E-M 1,NEX6,NX300 and say Nikon D7000 to keep it at 16MP and of course the GR and Nikon A should be included also.
mpgxsvcd: The Sony A3000 is making everyone rethink their price points.
Go to visual science lab and see what Tuck says about 3000 and he uses Sony gear.
It would be great if someone put the 18mm on the X-M1 and X-A1 and compared to Ricoh GR,NikonA and 28 equivalent on E-M1 . That will pit APS-C against m43s and Xtrans versus Bayer.