tdptdp: Adobe usually has 3 or 4 titles in anybody's list of most pirated software, and Photoshop is always one of them. I can't blame them for moving to a model that makes this less prevalent.
Looks like the pirates ruined it for everyone who wanted a boxed copy.
Correct. I doubt many foiled pirates would turn into CC subscriptions, whilst at the same time people who previously bought the product but can't justify the eternal commitment may well look elsewhere. And when it is eventually cracked (and it will be) then a number of previously paying customers will probably go down the piracy route. All the while you're having to devote development effort into making it crack-proof once more.
What might've been more sensible was following the same model as others where a flat fee buys you 12 months of updates. If after a year you don't renew then you keep the product you had up until that point but with no further updates unless you start over. I suspect most would've been happy with this and it also encourages the vendor to keep updates/feature additions regular in order to keep people continually subscribing.
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Posted on May 9, 2013 at 21:24:53 UTC
wkramer: Those who pirate software would not usually be a purchaser of the software if it could not be pirated. Very little to no extra income for Adobe from the current pirates.
It'll probably get pirated more severely than ever before in all likelihood.
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Posted on May 9, 2013 at 21:19:42 UTC
Dennishh: Looks like Corel has just launched Corel graphics Suite 6 which includes Corel capture and Corel PhotoPaint 6. I just started testing PhotoPaint 6 and can't believe what an improvement it is. It is 64-bit and blazing fast also has the ability to use Photoshop style work place. Couldn't be better timing on Corel part as far as I'm concerned. The whole suite costs under $500. I would imagine Corel would launch Photo Paint six as a standalone. It's been years since I even looked at Corel but I'm now giving it a serious once over. http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4260069&cid=catalog20038&segid=5700006
Still 32 bit EXE, although it can handle large files OK. Most things work with 16 bit images. I use it as a compliment to LR for the odd thing that needs pixel level editing (usually feeding it 16 bit TIFFs) and its decent enough these days. Only issue I have is it doesn't play nicely with the current Nik collection (apparently this is an issue at Nik's end that may get fixed).
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Posted on May 9, 2013 at 20:09:22 UTC
EssexAsh: did you really speak to him or just email a list of bone questions that he dodged? Try growing a spine next time and asking him to answer the frikkin questions.
Agreed. There are a couple of major swerves in there (like bringing up the LR price cut when the discussion was primarily about the main CS/CC product line) that should've been picked up on.
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Posted on May 8, 2013 at 06:55:53 UTC
Large user bases like it. Where I work (large number of CS operators on Macs) then its great because it means less headaches managing licences and less money out in one go. Plus the ability to add seats easily for relatively short periods is great for seasonal resource issues. For the small guy and especially the hobbyist its an absolute nightmare. And given alot of people aren't sold on the single version differences in CS products to constantly upgrade them i'm curious as to how Adobe are really going to be able to add enough value to make this genuinely attractive.
Also, what is the student licencing for this? I could forsee problems in the longer term where there will be less people learning Adobe products with the demise of pirated copies. I remember it being once claimed that Office being readily pirateable had alot to do with it acheiving absolute market dominance because everyone had it at home and knew it.
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Posted on May 7, 2013 at 12:18:05 UTC
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Steven Blackwood: Should note that the Cameramator does not actually use the hot shoe.It simply has a hot shoe connector. Also, the Camranger has the added benefit of controlling video, making the ipad virtually a camera monitor. Thus, same money, better features. Both devices are overpriced IMHO but I do own a Camranger. They should also support non-Canon/Nikon DSMRs.
You're not kidding its overpriced. If you don't mind being tethered via USB then you've been able to live view and even remote shoot on Android devices from most recent Canon bodies for ages using DSLRController (which costs absolute buttons).
Unfortunately for iPad it seems you can only interface for this kind of thing via wifi, hence the need for extra gizmos.
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Posted on Feb 5, 2013 at 08:11:22 UTC
Used Capture One Express for a number of years but it seems PhaseOne aren't bothered about the cheaper version anymore. Having now switched to LR4 i'm pretty happy now i've got used to it. As an amateur there is no way I can justify paying the price difference between Lightroom and Capture One Pro, nor do I see really what you get for that extra money.
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Posted on Jan 25, 2013 at 12:51:03 UTC
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racketman: Used to buy from them but eventually like many bought mainly online and their prices did not compete. I will still buy from specialists like Park Cameras whenever possible and will pay a 10% premium to be able to touch before I buy. Shame about the job losses, it's tough out there.
@plevyadophy
In which case what value were they adding to justify more than a 10% hike over the alternative sources? People will pay the extra if there is a benefit from paying it. Jessops for me didn't justify the premium they demanded.
And even 10% stacks up as quite alot of cash if you're buying higher end stuff. And if you're buying accessories/consumables then often Jessops were charging whole multiples of the price you could pay elsewhere. When was the last time you didn't wince at the price they wanted for a memory card?
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Posted on Jan 10, 2013 at 07:55:10 UTC
Will Patterson: Quite a depressing day all round as Play also announced that they are ceasing their direct retail operations.
Slightly different reasons though. Play are bailing out because of closure of a tax loophole they've been exploiting in order to pay virtually no VAT to anyone. And the fact that Rakuten bought them a couple of years back for only £25m suggests they've not been doing all that well for a bit.
As for Jessops, always sad to see job losses. However, can't say they added enough value to the experience to justify paying the premiums they demanded. Good deals were few and far between. The price for accessories/consumables was often multiples more expensive than elsewhere. And given this is the second or third time they've been in trouble in recent years then it can come as little surprise.
I also feel sorry for people who have been lumbered with vouchers from Xmas that they now can't spend and would've been sold by a company knowing they were right on the brink.
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Posted on Jan 10, 2013 at 07:37:25 UTC
Cane: So if you are outside and don't have wifi, you are stuck using the cable only, like it's 1980?
I'm in agreement. I look at this Triggertrap versus DSLR Controller and think for the most part 'big deal'. The hardware also seems rather expensive for what it is.
Otherwise the only real selling point for Triggertrap is its fairly universal, whereas stuff like DSLR Controller is written for specific models of a specific manufacturer.
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Posted on Nov 27, 2012 at 14:04:35 UTC
Has anyone heard if an Express version of this is forthcoming or not, or has that now been dropped? From memory then the Pro and Express versions were pretty much simultaneously released when versions 5 and 6 came to market, so its notable that only a Pro version has come to market.
I've been using it since about v3.7, generally its been very good bar the odd bug in a fresh update. I don't think I could justify the outlay for Pro if i'm honest, especially when the headline pricing quietly omits the eyewatering 25% VAT that gets slapped on top.
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Posted on Nov 2, 2012 at 07:40:48 UTC
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It (submission of fake images) certainly seems to be a common thing these days. There was a big 'meteor' (I think it was later thought to be reentering space junk) over the UK a month or so back and quite a few images that popped on news sources from supposed eye-witnesses turned out to be images lifted from obscure corners of the web of other meteors.
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Posted on Nov 2, 2012 at 07:29:47 UTC
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Another vote for Android devices. I own a Galaxy Nexus handset and a Nexus 7. With a cheap OTG cable, a bog standard CF reader and about £10 worth of apps (DSLR Controller, RAWDroid, Nexus Media Importer and CR2 Thumbnailer) I can remote control a Canon 7D and view and download RAW files from either the camera directly or from the CF card on either device. About my only criticism of it all is the lack of SD card support as a backup option.
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Posted on Oct 15, 2012 at 07:22:03 UTC
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Mirfak: Most important thing they could have added was 64-bit support. This is one of the least featured update that I can recall.
Despite being 32 bit, it does handle large files remarkably well. X3 you could kill with 16 bit TIFF files as it had a memory leak whereas this (and the same was true of X4) is great in that regard.
Plus with it being 32 bit you don't have to worry about obtaining 64 bit plugins.
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Posted on Sep 6, 2012 at 10:20:26 UTC
TomCreek: I call Shenanigans! How could a lens case be priced at $699!!! ;=)
...because its the same company that thinks nothing of asking about £50 for an SLR battery and about £100 for a mounting ring?
Dante1: Yet another rip-off. Since when have Euros been worth more than Pounds?
RRP of £11999.99 / €11800
Everyone knows that tech has a special exchange rate of $1=£1=€1
tdptdp: Adobe usually has 3 or 4 titles in anybody's list of most pirated software, and Photoshop is always one of them. I can't blame them for moving to a model that makes this less prevalent.
Looks like the pirates ruined it for everyone who wanted a boxed copy.
Correct. I doubt many foiled pirates would turn into CC subscriptions, whilst at the same time people who previously bought the product but can't justify the eternal commitment may well look elsewhere. And when it is eventually cracked (and it will be) then a number of previously paying customers will probably go down the piracy route. All the while you're having to devote development effort into making it crack-proof once more.
What might've been more sensible was following the same model as others where a flat fee buys you 12 months of updates. If after a year you don't renew then you keep the product you had up until that point but with no further updates unless you start over. I suspect most would've been happy with this and it also encourages the vendor to keep updates/feature additions regular in order to keep people continually subscribing.
wkramer: Those who pirate software would not usually be a purchaser of the software if it could not be pirated. Very little to no extra income for Adobe from the current pirates.
It'll probably get pirated more severely than ever before in all likelihood.
Dennishh: Looks like Corel has just launched Corel graphics Suite 6 which includes Corel capture and Corel PhotoPaint 6. I just started testing PhotoPaint 6 and can't believe what an improvement it is. It is 64-bit and blazing fast also has the ability to use Photoshop style work place. Couldn't be better timing on Corel part as far as I'm concerned. The whole suite costs under $500. I would imagine Corel would launch Photo Paint six as a standalone. It's been years since I even looked at Corel but I'm now giving it a serious once over. http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4260069&cid=catalog20038&segid=5700006
Still 32 bit EXE, although it can handle large files OK. Most things work with 16 bit images. I use it as a compliment to LR for the odd thing that needs pixel level editing (usually feeding it 16 bit TIFFs) and its decent enough these days. Only issue I have is it doesn't play nicely with the current Nik collection (apparently this is an issue at Nik's end that may get fixed).
EssexAsh: did you really speak to him or just email a list of bone questions that he dodged? Try growing a spine next time and asking him to answer the frikkin questions.
Agreed. There are a couple of major swerves in there (like bringing up the LR price cut when the discussion was primarily about the main CS/CC product line) that should've been picked up on.
Large user bases like it. Where I work (large number of CS operators on Macs) then its great because it means less headaches managing licences and less money out in one go. Plus the ability to add seats easily for relatively short periods is great for seasonal resource issues. For the small guy and especially the hobbyist its an absolute nightmare. And given alot of people aren't sold on the single version differences in CS products to constantly upgrade them i'm curious as to how Adobe are really going to be able to add enough value to make this genuinely attractive.
Also, what is the student licencing for this? I could forsee problems in the longer term where there will be less people learning Adobe products with the demise of pirated copies. I remember it being once claimed that Office being readily pirateable had alot to do with it acheiving absolute market dominance because everyone had it at home and knew it.
Steven Blackwood: Should note that the Cameramator does not actually use the hot shoe.It simply has a hot shoe connector. Also, the Camranger has the added benefit of controlling video, making the ipad virtually a camera monitor. Thus, same money, better features. Both devices are overpriced IMHO but I do own a Camranger. They should also support non-Canon/Nikon DSMRs.
You're not kidding its overpriced. If you don't mind being tethered via USB then you've been able to live view and even remote shoot on Android devices from most recent Canon bodies for ages using DSLRController (which costs absolute buttons).
Unfortunately for iPad it seems you can only interface for this kind of thing via wifi, hence the need for extra gizmos.
Used Capture One Express for a number of years but it seems PhaseOne aren't bothered about the cheaper version anymore. Having now switched to LR4 i'm pretty happy now i've got used to it. As an amateur there is no way I can justify paying the price difference between Lightroom and Capture One Pro, nor do I see really what you get for that extra money.
racketman: Used to buy from them but eventually like many bought mainly online and their prices did not compete. I will still buy from specialists like Park Cameras whenever possible and will pay a 10% premium to be able to touch before I buy.
Shame about the job losses, it's tough out there.
@plevyadophy
In which case what value were they adding to justify more than a 10% hike over the alternative sources? People will pay the extra if there is a benefit from paying it. Jessops for me didn't justify the premium they demanded.
And even 10% stacks up as quite alot of cash if you're buying higher end stuff. And if you're buying accessories/consumables then often Jessops were charging whole multiples of the price you could pay elsewhere. When was the last time you didn't wince at the price they wanted for a memory card?
Will Patterson: Quite a depressing day all round as Play also announced that they are ceasing their direct retail operations.
Slightly different reasons though. Play are bailing out because of closure of a tax loophole they've been exploiting in order to pay virtually no VAT to anyone. And the fact that Rakuten bought them a couple of years back for only £25m suggests they've not been doing all that well for a bit.
As for Jessops, always sad to see job losses. However, can't say they added enough value to the experience to justify paying the premiums they demanded. Good deals were few and far between. The price for accessories/consumables was often multiples more expensive than elsewhere. And given this is the second or third time they've been in trouble in recent years then it can come as little surprise.
I also feel sorry for people who have been lumbered with vouchers from Xmas that they now can't spend and would've been sold by a company knowing they were right on the brink.
"it tries to reassert its relevance in a post-Instagram landscape"
So its going to add a handful of cross-process type effect filters and an option to turn your saturation up to 11?
Cane: So if you are outside and don't have wifi, you are stuck using the cable only, like it's 1980?
I'm in agreement. I look at this Triggertrap versus DSLR Controller and think for the most part 'big deal'. The hardware also seems rather expensive for what it is.
Otherwise the only real selling point for Triggertrap is its fairly universal, whereas stuff like DSLR Controller is written for specific models of a specific manufacturer.
Has anyone heard if an Express version of this is forthcoming or not, or has that now been dropped? From memory then the Pro and Express versions were pretty much simultaneously released when versions 5 and 6 came to market, so its notable that only a Pro version has come to market.
I've been using it since about v3.7, generally its been very good bar the odd bug in a fresh update. I don't think I could justify the outlay for Pro if i'm honest, especially when the headline pricing quietly omits the eyewatering 25% VAT that gets slapped on top.
It (submission of fake images) certainly seems to be a common thing these days. There was a big 'meteor' (I think it was later thought to be reentering space junk) over the UK a month or so back and quite a few images that popped on news sources from supposed eye-witnesses turned out to be images lifted from obscure corners of the web of other meteors.
Another vote for Android devices. I own a Galaxy Nexus handset and a Nexus 7. With a cheap OTG cable, a bog standard CF reader and about £10 worth of apps (DSLR Controller, RAWDroid, Nexus Media Importer and CR2 Thumbnailer) I can remote control a Canon 7D and view and download RAW files from either the camera directly or from the CF card on either device. About my only criticism of it all is the lack of SD card support as a backup option.
Mirfak: Most important thing they could have added was 64-bit support. This is one of the least featured update that I can recall.
Despite being 32 bit, it does handle large files remarkably well. X3 you could kill with 16 bit TIFF files as it had a memory leak whereas this (and the same was true of X4) is great in that regard.
Plus with it being 32 bit you don't have to worry about obtaining 64 bit plugins.
Nice idea but currently its less functional even than the mobile web site in some areas. A case of wait for Version 2.0 I think.