msstudio: As much as i want to like or even love this, lets start with the lenses, a variable f2.8-4 at this price point, a camera with a focal plain shutter (and no option for silent electronic shutter) that has an x-sync of 1/250, and according to DPreview the 2nd lens we'll see 90-280 will be enormous, besides also a variable f stop, camera with 24Mpx at 14bit color dept and all this in a package that seems nearly grotesquely large and more expensive then any Pro DSLR today. I don't know, i feel i just saw the introduction of the end of Leica as we know it. But then again Blackstone always made their money back. The M is still unbeatable and the lenses simply unique.This one doesn't know where it wants to go, maybe compete with Hasselblad and their infamous Lunar or HV series, who's market i still don't get. But then i make my money with photography, i don't have to understand the camera sales market at all. I just want better tools.
The price of a fixed aperture is usually less focal length at the long end i.e. we see one after another 24-70 F2.8 "kit lenses".
To me a lens that stops at 70mm is useless. I have never fathomed why they became so popular.
F2.8 is just not THAT fast yet to get it you have to end up at 70mm and lose the portrait focal length and the perspective that gives.
I think a 24-90 F2.8-F4 is way more sensible a lens than a 24-70 F2.8.
I wish other manufacturers would produce more like it. As far as I am aware Nikon do a 24-120 and Canon the 24-105 but Sony killed off theirs (not such a good lens but never replaced with a better one) and Pentax just announced yet another 24-70.
This problem exists in the aps-c world as well with 16-50 F2.8's.
Much prefer my 16-80 CZ.
Unless there was something funny with the light the shots of the brick wall show very strong vignetting at F1.8 that only clears at about F5.6.
Even then the top right hand corner continues to lighten as the lens is stopped down.
There is a shot of the plane at F1.8 and that doesn't show this strong vignetting so either it's been processed out by Lightroom or whatever PP program was used (with a lens profile???) or there is something very odd about those brick wall shots.
Well I am sure some will find a use for it and I am sure it will perform well but I think Sigma is missing a trick here.
Someone else posted there are millions of Canikon bodies out there that can mount this lens so it makes sense to sell it in those mounts.
Well there maybe millions of such bodies but I don't think the market for this lens is going to be anything like as big as it would be if they had made a smaller, less costly F2 rather than F1.4.
s_grins: EVF that does not inspire, and does not belong hereFixed lens makes camera suitable for studio only
Off centre viewfinder?
It's an EVF that takes it's reading off the sensor.
You don't get more central than that.
This is not an old rangefinder camera that needs parallax correction lines in an optical VF.
That applies ot all of SOn't cameras that sport an EVF.
Don Sata: The impressive image quality of this camera now seems to be matched with equally good usability. My only thought is that for a camera that is intended for handheld shooting 42 megapixels may be more of a hinderance than a welcome feature.
Which is why I can't understand why they didn't include IBIS.
Salah: Why no GPS receiver in Sony cameras! Who needs NFC!
"Because some markets (China) don't allow cameras with GPS to be sold. Sony used to have to make two models of cameras. One with GPS and one without. Rationalized production with a single model makes economic sense."
Several Canon d-slrs have GPS. Do they make two versions of the EOs 6D? I wasn't aware they did.
"It's the opposite. No one needs battery draining GPS on camera anymore. It's on your phone."
That comment is really funny. I use an A77 with GPS on all the time.
It is a myth there is a battery drain issue. I really don't know why people say there is.
Now as to my phone, turn high accuracy GPS on and if it lasts the day it would be a miracle. There is no way I would trust it to do so.
Start using NFC to transfer images and that is really going to help battery life on the phone. Not.
And that is before we get onto the issue of tagging the photos taken in post processing if you want to go that way.
The idea camera with NFC + phone is superior for GPS tagging compared to built-in GPS in the camera is really is quite hilarious.
I want to be going round tapping my phone against the camera because?
Mssimo: Since everyone is putting out crazy wishlist of missing "must have" features...Where is the built in espresso maker? Going to hold out while sony adds one via firmware.
I think given Sony woke up and put IBIS in the A7 series (which it should have had from the start) being disappointed that isn't in this camera is a valid criticism.
km25: This is good. Not a Sony hater, but a front running sensor maker, not so good at making cameras.
"EVF and the consequently awful battery life, "
What an absolute load of nonsense. I use the original A77 (not MkII) and not only use the EVF (obviously) but leave the GPS switched on all the time and battery life is simply not an issue.
Can never fathom why people like you make stuff up like this.
ThrillaMozilla: Big corporations are weird. Spinning off a subsidiary so "it can react to market forces" seems like an admission of managerial incompetence.
It's not as if they can't just let managers manage their own division. And it's not as if they can't sell to competitors now. Corporations do this all the time.
That still doesn't really explain why they need to spin it off to a subsidiary so "it can react to market forces".
In fact won't it introduce duplication in terms of a new CEO, board of directors and all the other positions autonomous companies have such as HR?
AngularJS: Another day - another Sony A7r2 post!
I think AngularJS may be alluding to the fact you are drip feeding the review a bit at time rather than just doing the review and publishing the completed work.
That is something I have pointed out before and Barney had a go at me for!
xpanded: Sony should hire Shakin' Stevens as a poster boy for the A7-line:
"You just have to shake fast to counter the shutter shock".
Fortunately Sony will probably soon change mount again.
"Moreover new E mount brings a lot of improvements, and Alpha mount users are provided with efficient adapters to use their A-glass on E-bodies. "
There is nothing "efficient" about having to faff about and use an adapter to mount a lens on any camera.
It is half baked and unacceptable solution.
If Sony thinks by providing adapters this IS an acceptable solution and they will retain all their A mount customers they need to wake up.
I wouldn't touch Sony with a barge pole if they cease to support the A-mount. The last camera system I would buy into would be another Sony one.
Rooru S: 599.99 USD? Why not buy a Sony RX100? You get a zoom lens, probably the same sensor and better handling. Better yet, you get a nice little flash with bouncing capability.
Am I missing something? Would like to see a size comparison against the RX100 and see if it's still worth the price tag. Probably not.
The RX100 weighs 240g (inc battery).
When you add the iPhone the weight of the DXO and iPhone 6 is 108g+129g, 237g.
And when you stop to take pictures you will be doing so a lot longer than you would with a camera as you fiddle to mount the DXO and then unmount it again.
I know, you are going to say but an iPhone +DXO can make phone calls for its 237g whereas the 240g of the RX100 can't but what sort of phone signal do you get in the mountains?
Cane: I assume these are manual focus only?
I own the Samyang Fisheye for Sony A mount aps-c and its great but I am not sure I'd buy any of their other lenses.
Manual focus I can cope with but not manual aperture.
On the fisheye you can forget about it. Set to F5.6 or F8 and just about the entire world is sharp so that is where it tends to stay.
On lenses like these where you are not going to want to shoot at F1.4 all the time, manually having to stop down having focused wide open is a step back in time too far for me.
KAMBIC: I hope you guys have all been practicing your MF skills. F1.2 MF only? Hahaha
Well assuming focus peaking and the AF conformation light work the camera will tell you when you have hit focus so I don't see your point.
You can rely on the camera's "MF skills", not your own.
Dave Oddie: Good article but the problem with the Sony is not performance but price.
Even in less demanding situations that Nikon combo will outperform it image quality-wise.
In the UK a Sony A77ii and Tamron 16-300 is a tad cheaper (street prices) than an RX10II.
I am sure the lens is good on the RX10II but it needs to be cheaper to buy by about 50% to justify its existence in my opinion. That Nikon + lens is not a large combo to lug about.
I'd like to see the same comparison with the Panasonic FZ1000. That has the added value of a much longer zoom so may justify itself better.
I am not sure you are right re the Panasonic FZ1000 as regards resolving power which also has a 1 inch sensor. I have not looked but I suspect it resolves just as well as the Sony in the same range.
As to the RX10 it's still not cheap at about £590.
If I want 4K video why buy a "camera" at all and why pay £1179 (UK price) for this?
Most people who come here are not into video anyway but still-photography which is why the test done in the article is valid and no doubt why it was done. The RX10 is supposed to be a camera as well, not just a video camera.
I have no interest in video but if I did, am I really going to be looking at the RX10II at that price for 4K video?
Good article but the problem with the Sony is not performance but price.
Gionni Dorelli: Everybody happy now?
"Even when battery, dual card slot and this is addressed, "
Adding a bigger battery and a dual card slot to an existing camera via a firmware update is going to be a neat trick.
TimT999: The reviewer keeps saying that the lens is soft at the long end. But looking at the sharpness chart, it's in the 1300-1400 range even at 50mm -- in other words for over 3/4 of the zoom range. Sharpness only improves slightly if you go to f-8. By contrast, Tamron, Canon or Nikon 70-200 lenses come in at between 2000-2500 lines of resolution (at the same f-stop). And their 24-70 lenses all hit that same range. That's a significant difference in IQ. For stuff you'll be showing on a web site, the softness isn't a problem. But if your images will be sold or printed, this lens just won't work.
"If DP Review had said the lens is only for casual use, I wouldn't have added my 2 cents. "
Come off it. He didn't say it was suitable for pro use either. Everyone knows what these sort of lenses are for and criticising it for something it was never intended to be used for is a bit silly in my opinion.
The criticism of DPR about not defining where it fits is also very weak because I am sure they don't feel they have to spell it out. And just because they didn't, that doesn't justify your original criticism of the lens not being for pro use.
I don't own one but can see the logic in such lenses for non-critical work having just lugged my full outfit inc 16-80 and 70-300 on a holiday to the USA.
"But if your images will be sold or printed, this lens just won't work."
No one in their right mind would buy this lens for professional work so why make this pointless observation?
It's going to be bought for holiday snapshots when travelling as an alternative to things like the Panasonic FZ1000 which is also not a "go to" for professional work.