D 503: You could tell when Olympus was in trouble by the introduction of plastic lens mounts and the culling of professional software. When a company like Nikon starts to cut costs and raise prices it gets you thinking.
Interesting that you bring up cost cutting and price raising. Price raising on already highly priced products would be synonymous with a company that tries to bolster it's image as a premium brand, regardless if the underlying engineering and manufacturing costs are cut. However for a brand to be perceived as a premium brand, it has to offer stellar, and I stress stellar - not "good enough" customer service. People come back for more to a company that they perceive is reliable and responsive to their needs and questions.
I spent a good part of last evening playing with NX-D and while it isn't really a huge disappointment, I would expect better.
The good thing is that Nikon colors are now easier to obtain. NX-D is significantly faster than NX2, except that it is still quite slow at rendering previews - and this rendering seems to happen after you make any adjustment to the image. Why is this so slow? I imagine this could easily be improved. How about optimizing that code, and letting the hardware GPU handle the rendering to screen?
I still likely save time using NX-D, than using an elaborate process to achieve a look I like with other software and plugins. NX-D would be a major change in my workflow, but I would get nice or nicer results IMO. While this may be true, it's not what the market expects.
Also, you need to do a lot of clicking to get things done, less it seems than in NX2, but still more than needed. Lightroom and Aperture get this right - all sliders and tools in one place.
Provia_fan: Nikon should be applauded, for keeping the resolution to a sensible pixel count for what this camera is going to be mostly used for. Although I think that High ISO settings are getting ridiculously high for some time now. Until the tradeoffs are sorted of course. But I am sure it will have its uses.
This is indeed true. The current breed of 24-36 MP DSLRs really means you also need to be upgrading your computer with your camera purchase to handle their large files unless you have a very recent one. How many megapixels do you practically need day-to-day?
Vegasus: Oh Nikon,... why dont you put BUILT IN WIFI instead? THUNDERBOLT 2 connector, and 2 sd card slots not XQD. why no XQD? is sony stuff, usually doesnt last long, next time sony will make XQD type-2 with different shape again.
Probably because that would mean making the camera buffer even deeper to allow for continuous framerate at high speed, as SD cards tend to be slower than CF and XQD cards as of today. Added buffer memory adds costs to making the camera.
write2alan: Question: Do I need a router to transfer the images to a desktop or phone?
No you don't. You may need internet connection for initial configuration though.
I use an older version of Eye-Fi. It it very handy and possibly the fastest way to get JPEG pictures off your camera to your mobile device, (and even to your computer), or cloud through your mobile device. Indeed money well spent. It gives more traditional cameras that don't have wi-fi built-in a fighting chance vs. smartphones, seriously. We live in a world that likes to brag about what it's doing on social networks, and with the advent of the smartphone a few years ago, being able to instantly upload photos taken is very much a necessity today for very many people.
JohnEwing: Nikon's first step into the mirrorless world gained them firstly a twisted ankle and secondly a Bronx cheer, before a few people began to see that the Series 1 aren't such bad cameras after all, but that was like people taking to Heaven's Gate after United Artists had turned up their umbilici.
Personally, I'd like to see them bring out a mirrorless body based on the S or SP designs, with a full frame or even an APS-C sensor. FF might be better from a marketing standpoint, but an APS-C camera could be very acceptable indeed. They could probably finagle it to have an F mount, too. Large wow factor there: they immediately upstage virtually all the others, especially if they use the folding Ai tab of the Df and make it compatible with a godzillion lenses.
...well, it's nice to dream.
Marty, indeed Nikon 1 should be positioned as you describe. I think to achieve that positioning it is mostly an issue of price. Naturally built-in WI-FI is expected these days.
@Jim F. I agree with you, most especially your last statement. Price indeed usually rules, especially if it gives the buyer 'good enough' quality. Also, how can Nikon 1 compete with smartphones? Most people nowadays own a smartphone and take it everywhere, while a camera is just another thing to carry around. Not to mention, a smartphone allows instant posting of photos to social media, and we seem to live in a 'bragging' culture that likes to post everything on social networks. I also see a big movement away from prints to showing images on some kind of screen instead. I myself carry some of my favorite photos on my iPhone and iPad and have them on me all the time, or actually in the cloud that my devices are connected to. And with the screen being the new media for presentation, you don't even need 10-14 megapixel images. 3-4 megapixels are just perfect, and image quality issues like noise become moot because they are not as much a problem on small screens as they once were.
naturenewbe: I go hang out with photographers who use there canon cameras all the time all I see them use is the kit lens, auto settings and liveview. I'm the only one using the viewfinder and shooting in manual mode. How much better suited my friends would be to just a mirorless camera like a A5000. Also the newly wed couple at best buy who want to take better pictures of there new baby but dont want to hassel with learning with DSLR buying there second DSLR because there pictures dont look right.... I dont see them liking there next new DSLR Even more. I have a D40 that has been faithfull for many years but stop my self from buying a new nikon body and lens because I cant take the weight on my back anymore. Personally I'm leaning toward Panasonic because of video quality and size.
I believe that Canon's automatic metering may be a little better than Nikon's, just as is Canon's default JPEG color. What I find painful with Nikon is that for the last few years the matrix meter is tied to the active focus point. The old matrix meter used on the D70 and in the D200 was terrific when also you added 1 or 2 external Nikon flashes to the mix. The new meter tied to focus points makes it a bit unpredictable and I just can't trust it for consistency. Regarding Panasonic. My wife and I use the Panasonic LX7 and it's a terrific camera. We bought it because Nikon didn't have a comparable offering (and still does not). The LX7 has terrific colors out of the box, good exposure (perhaps even a bit hot), and great video with no jello effect. It has a small sensor, but it's lens is f/1.4 through f/2.3 and that helps a lot. I can highly recommend that camera. The only missing point that I wish it had is a wireless remote. Otherwise it meets and exceeds our requirements.
instamatic: To answer Nikon why their mirrorless is not selling in the US: Nikon 1 has a small sensor, while the US consumer expects at least a DX sensor. Why? Probably because many hobbyists are vainly hoping to one day have some success at shooting weddings, or whatever - which for most people never materializes, but still the illusion is there. Regardless of where the hobbyist is on their photography journey, it is universally known that wedding/portrait photography requires a large sensor for shallow and popular depth of field with fast lenses. And where are the fast lenses for mirrorless? Thirdly why in the world the lesser Nikon 1 cameras have flash sync only at 1/60 sec? Why aren't DSLR speedlights compatible?
Nikon's compact cameras are also not up to par. Where is a compact with a 'standard' zoom lens and aperture somewhere between f/1.4 and f/2.5 or similar. Why aren't all Nikon's compact cameras allowing saving RAW files. Where is built in WI-FI?
Where is the D400?
If you recall, Nikon D70 had an electronic shutter that synced up to 1/500 sec. - something I very much miss today. It's mechanical shutter was much slower than that.
To answer Nikon why their mirrorless is not selling in the US: Nikon 1 has a small sensor, while the US consumer expects at least a DX sensor. Why? Probably because many hobbyists are vainly hoping to one day have some success at shooting weddings, or whatever - which for most people never materializes, but still the illusion is there. Regardless of where the hobbyist is on their photography journey, it is universally known that wedding/portrait photography requires a large sensor for shallow and popular depth of field with fast lenses. And where are the fast lenses for mirrorless? Thirdly why in the world the lesser Nikon 1 cameras have flash sync only at 1/60 sec? Why aren't DSLR speedlights compatible?
Brian OReilly: Pardon?"Only Supports D7000 and later DSLR"
This is a really underhand way of saying thatAccording to the timeline on this page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Nikon_DSLR_cameras
That means it does not support:D3D300D200All D2 variants
This is really poorSo - to process Nikon NEF files with Nikon Capture NX2 I will need to keep 2 different versions of the SW on a machineSame applies with Nikon Camera Control Pro2
But, I do not believe you can have 2 different versions of the SW on the same machine - so you need to have 2 different startup disks.
So much for using Nikon products and the longevity of the NEF format moving into the futureDo we need to keep legacy hardware and operating systems and Nikon SW so we can access our images?
Sorry for the rant - but this is really disappointingBrian
I think it's only the enhanced white balance feature that requires a D7000 or later to be operational. Otherwise the software should work with the older cameras.
Peiasdf: Another half-baked product with attractive spec just like most stuff from S. Korea. Samsung should focus on firmware update to get existing products working as advertised.
Have you used any of those Samsung cameras? I went out to actually try Samsung cameras at a store, and I found that they are surprisingly responsive photographically, and easily set up. I would consider them a very strong offering considering where the industry is headed.
Also, why not just take the D800, stick this 16MP sensor in it, increase FPS to 8, add WI-FI, name it D800h, and call it a day?
I have a feeling that Nikon targeted this camera more at the collectors than photographers just needing a full-featured, full-frame camera. The high price is one indicator of that, and I have no qualms about stating that in this day and age - this price is indeed steep for a full-frame camera - that also does not come with built-in WI-FI. The focusing screen remains a big question here as well, and I think a lack of split-screen prism would confirm that the serious manual focus photographers continue to be left out. I for one sold my 50mm f/1.2 AI-S only because accurately focusing with it was next to impossible on the D700 because it's focusing screen is only viable for something like f/2.8 lenses and darker. Otherwise one has to rely on the green dot rangefinder indicator which I found not to work as well as I would want it. I'm hoping that the Df addresses that. Bottom line, I'm disappointed - but of course I haven't used this camera yet.
ThomasSwitzerland: Nikon: Are you sleeping?
I don’t need a „look-a-like“ of the Olympus retro mistake. Nikon, I need from you a real mirrorless innovative hi-end camera in order to avoid buying the Sony, and I want to have less weight without plastic lenses.
I think it's great that this retro camera is coming out. It certainly got me interested. That said, I think Nikon needs to rethink it's mirrorless offerings. In my opinion, and I'm sure many will agree, that mirrorless camera needs to have a DX or FX sensor - at least to be attractive to the North American consumer. I personally also think that it needs to behave like an iPhone - what can be easier? Touch a point on screen to focus there. Hold the finger on a spot on screen to do AE-L on that spot. How hard would it be to implement this? Also WI-FI is a must, so is live histogram, and a nice screen for true WYSIWYG touchscreen composition. The camera must fully support CLS wireless flash control, and can mount any Nikon flash like the SB-800 or newer. Really. That's where I see the future of photography going. So far as far as I'm seeing nobody is able to deliver on that front, but Panasonic is getting awfully close with some of their m4/3 offerings.
leschnyhan: As a photography instructor, I'd like all my students to start with a film SLR with basic manual controls. However, since I teach in some programs that don't have darkroom facilities, I often end up teaching intro DSLR classes to people who don't have any experience with a simple film SLR. The Nikon DF, together with an older Nikon lens with an aperture ring, would be an ideal kit for a student learning to use manual exposure--not too many bells and whistles to complicate things, and (maybe?) fewer automatic features like scene modes (which become a crutch and don't help people to understand exposure). It looks fairly sturdy, too, which means it might be a good camera for school photography departments or rental facilities (where equipment is often handled roughly). Unfortunately, I think it will come with a price tag that will put it out of reach for many beginning students who want to own (rather than borrow) a camera.
Let's just hope the rumored price tag is not true.
It would have been a hit if such camera has been introduced possibly 3 years ago. Of course market reaction will show if and how much demand there really is for it today. I might be interested, but if the price will really be $3000, it would simply be imprudent for me to buy it. I'm actually slowly starting to look at Panasonic m4/3 offerings, as they are getting to the point where they work like smart phone cameras but offer a much larger m4/3 sensor. For one I find WYSIWYG composition and exposure setting on a live view touchscreen an impressive feature, and I believe this is where the digital cameras are headed in the near future. Until that happens, or Nikon does something really impressive, and "uncrippled", I'm content with my D700. At the same time, I'm still a bit hopeful for Nikon, but that sentiment has much diminished. Did Nikon shoot themselves in the foot with the D700 - now that 6 years later people are expecting an equally impressive camera and not getting one?
So why Nikon didn't build a camera like this in the first place? To me the Sakar camera looks like what the Nikon 1 should have been. Let's see, it has a body with a programmable operating system, and WI-FI built in. It has replaceable sensors since they are integrated into the lenses. Looks like a very innovative idea (and why we still don't have it in the mainstream cameras?). It makes one keep the body while updating the software, and only replacing the lens/sensor modules as newer and better ones are released, and needed by the photographer.
magneto shot: having used android phones in my sony Acro S and also the Nokia 808. i still went and preferred the iphone.
The reason is that the overall usage is rock solid. Fast to shoot and supports shooting with the headset volume buttons, tons of 3rd party casing and tripod mounting and apps like Hipstamatic/Oggl.
Overall, for mobile photography, its the overall availability of it. Other phones often lags for no apparent reasons when invoking the camera apps lacks 3rd party accessories like mcam lens etc.
If i wanted the best quality, well, the e-p5 and the nikon d4 would fulfill my needs, but for an everyday "camera with me". Its the iphone.
Well said. That's exactly what it is.