LukeDuciel: Video voodoo from Sony again!
Buuuuuuut, who can tell me where the heck does A7S2 sit on the line-up? So only for people who stalk at night and shoot FHD video in the process?
Those are exactly the points I am complaining on A7S2.
A7S2 FF 4K uses decade old line-skipping and produces footage of inferior quality to its own crop 4K working in 1:1 read out.
And A7S2 does not have any PDAF pixel to facilitate video focusing. Yes you can argue pro videographer pull focus by hand. But A7 is still a hybrid cam, pro-sumer at best. Believe me no sane camera man would go through all the fuss and eventually put an A7S2 on the rack, except for Sony sponsored production.
With a speed booster, A6300 should A7S2 hands down in real amateur video use.
CheddarMonkey: Same sensor as in the x-pro2?
They are very likely of same process gen but vastly different sensor. Apart from the 24MP, filter array, PDAF pixel pattern etc, are all very different.
Video voodoo from Sony again!
1DX2 looks a powerful hybrid workhorse. I wish the 4K works in over-sampling and 5D4 can inherit it. Full pro body is just toooooo heavy for me. I sold my D3s since I couldn't bear it anymore.
Nikon really needs a boost in video quality and feature. But D5 shows that it probably won't happen in this round.
Mike Sandman: Digital cameras - A company that can increase profits despite a drop in revenue is doing somethng right. In this case, they've succeeded in shifting from higher volume, low profit point & shooot to low volume, high profit ILCs.
Sensors & batteries - the slide shows an impairment charge aggainst the battery business. That means Sony's auditor looked at the battery business's book value vs. it's profitability and decided the book value was unjstifianly high. So they reduced book value via an impairment charge. This is a.very unhappy event for the managers of the battery business, but it doesn't have a direct effect on the camera business. And even though sensors and hatteries are combined into the same reporting unit, it doesn't mean that the sensor business is in trouble.
Well, the equity market does not work as camera-lovers want. The normally-functioning stock market trade on the expectation of the companies, so is the yield of investment.
For your example, Apple is now the biggest smartphone company in units sold, who has taken away ~94% of the profit of the entire industry. They are everything but "niche".
Apple's stock was also bad news when they were really "niche and profitable" in early 2000s; rocketed up as they become "main-stream and profitable"; fall badly in these latest days as investors fear that they stop growing in unit sold amid a smartphone market that appears to stop growing (note that average sale price of Apple device never ceased growing since iPhone).
Sony's 10%+ operating profit is almost at the staples company level whereas staple world does not evolve or revolutionize as fast as electronic products.
So it is quite justifiable for the management to take a serious tone, as would the investors.
Woodbird: Chengdu is the capital of Sichuan, not where Panda live. You won't find any wild Panda there.
Panda is kinda the name card for Chengdu now. There is a breeding research base just outside the city. It is a now a huge tourist attraction.
Another larger research center is in Ya'an, about 3hr drive from Chengdu, which is not open to public to my knowledge.
LukeDuciel: The center alignment of the Sony lens depends on the rails being strictly parallel, which consist of rails connected by the barrel piece. This is much more vulnerable than a single-piece metal barrel/helicoid structure in the case of fall.
It seems to me that Sony's design philosophy is much like its smart phones - get the design to manufacture as fast as it can be done and glue everything together.
This brings up my feelings about the whole Sony system. I have hesitated jumping in for quite some time. The small body + top full frame IQ is really tempting. I also dabbed using A7m2 for one or two projects. But I just couldn't get the right "feel" or "human-machine trust" with the Sony cameras/lenses as the systems I used before, be it from Canon, Nikon or even Cosina.
Indeed, many factors come into play. However, "all things right" + robust mechanical structure vs. "all things right" + poor mechanical structure, I will always vote for the robust mechanical structure.
"all things right" here is a mix of material, other designs etc. I don't believe Sony would deliberately increase cost in other elements just to make up for the poor mechanical structure, knowing that the company has been making not bad profit.
No matter how much you or me liked it to be, the report is still negative from an investors' view.
Cameras as DPR readers like, ILC/SLR/bridge etc., will eventually reduce to a niche market. The more Sony succeeds in it, the more vulnerable it would be when the market dies.
Sony knew this and put hope into mobile sensors, which unfortunately also went into tail spin this year.
LukeDuciel: who the h* approved to waste the front dial to art mode ??? ugly and not a bit useful
I am not against the art mode. Why does it have to be on the front dial?
I can do with a customize-able dial that are defaulted to art mode. At least I can get it to do something important enough to occupy a physical dial - shutter speed, ISO etc etc .
who the h* approved to waste the front dial to art mode ??? ugly and not a bit useful
The center alignment of the Sony lens depends on the rails being strictly parallel, which consist of rails connected by the barrel piece. This is much more vulnerable than a single-piece metal barrel/helicoid structure in the case of fall.
I like them selling cheap. But I do hate them being cheaply made.
Oh well, sucking up to the real world.
Spec question to DP staff or anyone who can confirm: does X70 have built-in ND filter?
I cannot find ND on X70 spec sheet but it is not listed on X100s spec sheet either. I own X100s and it does have built-in ND filter which I find very convenient.
LukeDuciel: Oh well, if only it is a full-framer.
Those are for adapting full frame SLR lens onto smaller sensor mirror-less body. The trick hides in the difference of flange distance, which gives space for the optics in the adapter. The trick is not any more viable for M-mount lenses who already have a short flange distance (M cam don't have mirror).
Edgar Matias: I have another suggestion for you (Fujifilm) -- make an XT-1 model with a SQUARE sensor that utilizes the whole image circle of your lovely APS-C lenses...
APS-C sensors are 23.6 x 15.6 mm. Going square would up the sensor size to 23.6 x 23.6 mm, which is essentially the same vertical as full-frame (36 x 24 mm). You’d get the same look as FF, using lighter APS-C lenses.
Added bonus... While the vertical is the same as FF, the sensor area is almost 36% smaller -- a huge savings in sensor cost.
Call it the SX-1 and position it as the top model in the X-series range of cameras. You'd have a full-frame camera that’s less expensive to manufacture than every other FF camera, with the additional cachet of a square sensor, AND without having to start over with a whole new range of lenses.
Oh my god.
I want it. I actually want it in a X100 package. Built them into 2 versions: X650 with normal field of view, X620 with a ultrawide field of view (thiking 21mm on 35mm system).
They will serve me like Rolleiflex or Mamiya 67 in this era!
I know and I actually tried. But the problem is I cannot get the same feel with the lenses. I used to make quite some happy photos with 28m @F2. The same combination of perspective and DoF control is just not possible with APS. For me, part of the rangefinder charm is to get close and intimate with the subject and use the lens to capture the connection. The proper lenses for 28~35mm equiv. field of view on APS format are all expensive. That's reason I said I cannot justify buying into a new system. It is possible, just very expensive.
The lens choice doesn't make sense. This thing would sell much better if Leica gives it a 21mm equiv. lens. It would be much more useful in water and worth carrying on land.
Don't worry about the size. Leica can always use some digital post-correction, like the Q.
Oh no. X system works quite fine as APS now. Actually I want it quite bad.
I have X100s and love the pictures out of it. The color rendition and perceived resolution is second to none. I love XT1 after I tried for a moment. And I believe XPro2 would be of even better experience than XT1.
But I cannot justify buying into a new APS system, especially when I still have some pretty good M-mount lenses. I don't like Sony's camera interface (hard- and soft-ware) and I cannot afford Leica's digital bodies (quite frankly I am not sure the M rangefinder provides best efficiency in this era).
So I am stuck.
Oh well, if only it is a full-framer.
NicoPPC: Fujifilm is doing good stuff but I can not image shooting a whole day with a poor digital viewfinder. I would prefer a small dslr.
Hey guy, can't you build a DSLR in the form of an old Olympus OM ?
XT1 is for that