palie: interesting cam, but essentially misguided. the simple truth about these high mp cams is that they effectively cannot be handheld, which contradicts the fundamental purpose of this form factor. ming thein is the only reviewer to date who has had the guts and clarity to say this outright. and if you want to shoot landscapes on a tripod, with mirror lock and a cable release, use a mf format camera. mp, the same, colour depth etc no comparison. even 24 mp is too much - hand-held you get a much sharper result out of medium jpegs. so what's the best ff camera today for handheld use? ta-daaaa ... the nikon df ...
Why can't they be hand held? People hand hold 7D,7D2,50D all the time and make use of the full MP count and they are high density too.
SingerNick: Yes, Canon has been hitting it out of the park with these premium optics. Hats off to them. But how about they stop shipping 6-year-old sensors in their flagship compact?
And as I said it's not even all expensive stuff that they skimp on, sure new sensors and snesors that can do oversampled 4k at high MP count without melting require fancy fabs and that costs money, but they piddled around for like over a decade to dribble out a 1 cent, trivial feature like AutoISO. And guard things like zebras, focus peaking, live zoomed focus aid boxes, etc. for video like they are the Hope Diamond or something when they are simply basic usability features.
Or even with micro-focus adjust, they pull it from the 40D just before it ships so it can be a 50D sales feature, then they pull it from the 60D so it can be a 70D sales features. That is toying around with not something that is so much a feature as just a basic tool that allows a product to actually work to spec.
Now other companies have issues too, but.
If they can sit there and count their beans and go on about how they are the sales king and don't have to bother then we should also be free to make a big uproar about it and hopefully get a big enough uproar going that they are forced to change. As you say, it's clear they won't bother under forced beyond forced to bother.
Only I guess that won't happen because too many Canon users just bow down and kiss the feet of Canon no matter what they do and have spent years trying marginalize anyone who mentions anything Canon might improve on. And if some of the whining has become obnoxious or this or that, well maybe if the fanboy side hadn't often personally trashed so many people for so many years they wouldn't have eventually started firing back in kind and getting so obnoxious in return eventually.
Who exactly does all the bending over backward to defend the sacred honor of Canon help?
I don't recall Nikon users having trouble admitting all those years when their sensors were worse.
Gary Martin: I can't tell the ads from the articles any more ...
Well, then again look at some of the products. This really seems to deliver and the A7R II brought some pretty amazing things too.
And what does the user care about ROI? Are you a photographer/videographer or a bean counter?
(plus they have already lost out on some video stuff that they could have already done at almost no cost, so I don't even think that it is necessarily all working out for even their bean counters in long run)
@David Hull - sorry, it's NOT a so-called issue. But in Dave's world if the issue doesn't affect the few ways he shoots, it's a non-issue for all.
And they are pretty far behind in video now too, both in basic usability specs offered for under 20k and in quality and some of the advances, like pulling it off well in a high MP FF sensor without using too much juice or producing too much heat actually might take them going to better sensor processes so even here doing that can help.
these awards are all fakeevery single category winner every single year is fake
Impressive. Most impressive.
The Name is Bond: How does this compare with APO? Still another wavelength to go for the full APO-without-APO experience?
Well many makers have already been correcting for two wavelengths at once so there was really only a need to add the third.
And look at the samples, not a hint of purple around even the worst specular highlights and no signs of purple/green front back hazing either.
We haven't seen branches against clouds yet, but going by the other tests it looks like it will pass with flying colors.
A side note: the super-tele from Canon are basically APO and the 24-70 II is incredibly close may as well call it APO too
OTOH 50mm 1.4 and 24 1.4 II and 300 f/4 non-IS and 70-200 f/2.8 IS (orig) are very far from APO hah
Just Ed: Interesting tech with the BR element. Let's see how well it works!
very well going by early samples.
fatdeeman: I'm very interested to see if this blue business delivers the goods or is just a gimmick.
Just look at the samples. Not a hint of purple fringing on even the worst specular highlights. Or any sign of purple/green hazing. I'd assume the branches against clouds tests will work out equally as impressively, so I have a feeling it's doing the trick.
caravan: More innovation and leadership from Canon at a fair price,Good job.
correction: "More innovation and leadership from the Canon lens division at a fair price, Good jobs lens division. Once again, awesome job. Now please go knock on the door of the rest of the EOS division and try to wake them up."
Sir Nick of High Point: Just an FYI for those who may not know. The reason that this lens needs BR Optic technology, as well as being so big and expensive, is because it is an SLR lens, which puts it at a disadvantage for anything less than 50mm.
The reason is due to the space behind the lens, which is required for the mirror.
If you want to shoot this focal length and don't need a an SLR, you would probably be better off picking up the EOS M3 and the 22mm f/2, which will not suffer from any of these problems. Not trying to diss this lens or step on any toes. I'm just trying to be helpful.
Not really when it comes to the BR stuff. You are mixing up lateral with longitudinal CA. The desings you talk about would suffer from longitudinal just as much.
W4YNE 1: I wonder if Canon will apply this procedure to their current lens range or 'L' series lenses, or whether it will just be for this and future new lenses?
No, gotta be new designs.
Some already do quite well in this regard though, the 24-70 II and the Super-tele, for instance.
AbrasiveReducer: Interesting in that Canon already does an amazing job with CA.
Whatever you want to criticize about Canon, there are two things they do really well; sell more cameras than anybody else and make wide angle lenses with very low chromatic aberration.
That depends, the 24 1.4 II has quite a lot of longitudinal CA.
I have a feeling you are mixing up lateral CA which this BR element has nothing whatsoever to do with and longitudinal CA which is something else entirely.
This fixed front/back CA the sort that makes for purple fringing and purple and green hazing and does so across the entire frame.
Slimjon: Canon lenses (thumbs up). They may have to start buying high-end sensors from Sony to make their cameras competitive.
sparky33 - it's all well and good that you are able to take photos and video with sales reports, but most of us not able to pull off that trick, so yeah it would be nice if they became competitive again with the lens and body divisions....
Donnie G: BR optics are another game changing technology that will make Canon EF L-series lenses even more desirable than they already are. Who knew that Canon could come up with a material that's better than fluorite at focusing light to the same focal point? Now this is innovation that matters. :))
Yes and just imagine if the sensor department had the free reign the lens department does or if the body department did. Canon would be great at everything instead of dominating lenses and becoming timid followers mostly interested in how to best milk old tech for the 100th time. Their other divisions are all bean counters, nobody with vision, nobody who cares about photography or videography, just a bunch of bean counters.
aramgrg: I just wish they close their sensor development department...
Yeah as I was saying it's sad to see how Canon is so split in two. Their lens division is the same old Canon I loved for years. But their body and especially sensor and main division is full of themselves and mostly interested in margin this, protect that, milk this and is just a bunch of left in the past followers lead around by nothing but MBAs with no connection or care for photography or videography.
But their lens division is still rocking, still has pride, still tries their reasonable best.
King of Song: We can thank Sigma for this lens.
@Joed700 - donwload the full-size samples here and even more at one of the main (Korean??) Canon sites. Bokeh looks pretty awesome for a 35mm lens!