ttran88: Sony is making money? I thought they were giving up with cameras, I have been told A mount is dead and now E mount APSC is dead as well.
They are making money on sensors. Yes, it looks like there is some development for A-mount (new cameras, some new lenses), but no APS-C E-mount new lenses in 2 years.
iAPX: For me there is "an image quality tradeoff " since many years, and I would dream to see 6MP or 3MP camera sensors with the same surface, to increase Dynamic Range and reduce Noise.
try iphone. They still have 8MP ancient sensor.
Ben O Connor: Back in the day; Nokia sealed a deal with Zeiss and it feels like "forever"! Even now Microsoft's windows phones comes with "Zeiss optics".
I think Sony is very jealous even angry about it!
@Ben O ConnorThat's why I didn't buy Nokia 1020, instead I've bought Samsung Galaxy K zoom. Maybe in a future Nokia will have 1020 replacement AND Windows Phone will have better app support, then I will buy one.
I think it's Sony Xperia is dead and not Nokia. It seems to me that Nokia is more popular than Sony phones.
Cipher: I still have my Casio CFX-200 calculator watch from high school! It even works!
My first digital camera was Casio QV-3000EX, which I bought off ebay in 2004 for $70. I still have it, and it works fine, but I don't use it anymore. It was originally released in 2000 and was a first 3MP camera, with MSRP of $800!http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/casioqv3000
Allen Yang: I don't expect phone cameras to replace 1'' censor powered high end compact cameras like Sony RX100 series in a short term. But, I do hope they will be able to eliminate compact cameras with 1/1.7'' or smaller censors soon, even though the image quality of high end phone cameras are impressive, compact cameras with relatively larger censor, like Canon S120, for now, are still considerably superior in terms of image quality. And I am glad to see more and more phone manufacturers are starting to improve manual controls. However, as for optical zoom, ehhh,it's a different story.
Samsung is on 2nd generation of zoom cameras on a phone. First there was a galaxy s4 zoom, then galaxy k zoom.
brianj: I can buy a canon ELPH for $200, with 24-240 mm optical zoom, can someone explain why this camera with less features and a higher price is more desirable.
probably not better than CM1, but who will pay $1000 for it? Nokia Pureview - it's too old, and the phone itself is junk, not a good combination. But zoom will beat any other phone camera beyond 50mm equiv, that's for sure, and it also has 24mm wide, which no phone has.
Guys, there is phone called Samsung Galaxy K zoom which has 1/2.3" BSI sensor, 24-240 equivalent lens with OIS and xenon flash. I picked one lately and right now writing this using it. The camera is better than I've seen on any phone so far. There is no raw option though, but there is fully manual mode where you can also control aperture, unlike on LG G4.
No Galaxy K zoom here. In my personal tests it exceeds the quality of Galaxy S6 most of the time, as well as having a bit bigger sensor and xenon flash. Why don't Dpreview test it?And it's a pretty good phone too.
I don't buy from Amazon since they started charging tax in California, and also they raised the minimum free shipping amount from $25 to $35. Prime is useless with a tax.I do buy from ndependent sellers on amazon who don't charge tax and offer moderate shipping prices.
seeblue: Although I often find a good smartphone to be a great substitute for a camera, I doubt this good camera makes a great substitute for a smartphone.
For the size and battery-life alone, I wager NO ONE will (or will manage to) use this as their single smartphone. Thus the single device argument falls flat. This is a large sensor compact camera trying to look and act like a smartphone. In the end, it’s an expensive, moderately powered device, with average handling and speed, designed for a handful of pixel-peeping RAW and resolution enthusiasts.
The smartphone which will come closest to conquering photography will come from Apple or Samsung; not from a camera maker. Apparently they’re taking their time. In a few years we’ll look back at the CM1 as a kludge.
I agree with Rapi. Apple users are usually insane. They can't accept anything that is not produced by Apple. It's a selective "Apple syndrome".
rich889: Is anyone using the Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom w 20MP BSI sensor? It seems to only be selling in the UK http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/android/SM-C1150ZKABTU#
I'm using this phone. Actually called Galaxy K zoom.It's available in a different countries, but not in the US. I'm using Canadian model, which supports US LTE bands.http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/others/SM-C115WZKARWC
supeyugin1: Why do they need FF after thay converted all their lenses to APS-C? Pentax should stay APS-C, instead of going FF. It's more compact and lighter.
@matthew saville It's too late to join FF game in DSLR. Samsung NX1 can do 15 fps at 28MP. No other camera can do that, either FF or APS-C. I doubt Pentax will do that, and I'm not sure they will use the latest Sony FF BSI sensor.
Dumb device. They should have done it wireless (bluetooth or Wifi). And they charge $600 for it? This is insane!One can buy Samsung NX mini for less than $300, and connect it to any phone (not just iphone) wirelessly if needed.
First of all Pentax is not releasing FF mirrorless, they are releasing FF DSLR, where Canikon has 99% of the market. Sony and Pentax will have that 1 remaining percent. Yes, some people will buy it, but they will be the minority of FF DSLR users.
Tungsten Nordstein: 'it's easy to be cynical and wonder whether it's only been done to bolster the price and stop people writing off the camera as being an 'old' model'
No, it's easy to ignore the history of Ricoh's upgrade policy. It's easy to criticise a company who steadfastly refuse to follow the big three in their attempts to keep people buying endless new models for little reason. It's easy to ignore that Ricoh make a camera that does not encourage existing users to keep upgrading because it is a quality long-life investment (and one that seriously undercut the Nikon Coolpix A when introduced). It's easy to ignore the mountains of electronic goods waste produced each year. (41.8m tonnes last year alone.)
No, it's not the least significant upgrade of the digital era. Another less significant upgrade was made by Ricoh as well 10 months ago. It was Pentax Q7 -> Q-S1. Almost nothing was changed except the AF in movie mode.
007peter: I like the concept, it much easier to make:* A. Big Sensor Smartphone, over a * B. DSLR/Mirrorless with WIFI, Touchscreen.
I have tried numerous modern camera with WIFI, all FAILED measurably. WIFI connect / sharing is very clunky, it takes multiple steps to achieve something that my smartphone does automatically. DSLR/Mirrorless can't even run or download essential APP like: WhatsAPP, Facebook Messenger, Snapchat, or Instagram. This is the KEY to the next-generation camera design, and it is also what consumer demands.
I've give up on waiting for Japanese Manufacture to "Get It". Smartphone is improving its IQ by leaps & bounds, LG G4 and the latest Samsung S6 impressed me, and they also record 4K video that very few mirrorless/dslr can do.
Smartphone maker HTC is in fincancial trouble, I wish either Canon/Nikon would just bought out HTC and put a Canon/Nikon sensor + know-how into a Smartphone.
Samsung has pretty good Wifi implementation. You can send photo by email, you can download it to you smartphone/tablet via bluetooth/NFC, and then share to your favorite online album. Some of those APS-C cameras capable of recording 4k video in H.265 compression format.Also Samsung has an Android mirrorless camera Galaxy NX, which runs full Android, as well as some compact 4G enabled cameras.Samsung also has Galaxy K zoom smartphone with a zoom lens.
The customers who are asking for it already went to Canikon. Nobody is going to buy FF DSLRs from Pentax. Look at Sony. Where are those FF DSLRs from Sony? They are gone!
The question is why do they need FF after so many years of APS-C only?
kahren: it must have been impossible to put a xenon flash in
Why? Samsung Galaxy K zoom, S4 zoom, Nokia 808 and 1020 have xenon flash.