Entropius: Sony's saying that Olympus can learn from their expertise in optics? I sure as hell hope not. Most of the NEX lenses are by reputation awful, and the folks that I know that have Sony DSLR's mostly use Sigma glass (although, to be fair, there *are* a few decent Sony lenses out there).
Meanwhile, Olympus has made quite a few lenses that are truly exceptional for their price, size, weight, and class:
ZD 50/2, ZD 150/2, ZD 14-35/2, ZD 35-100/2, ZD 12-60, ZD 50-200, ZD 9-18, mZD 45/1.8, mZD 12/2, mZD 75/1.8, mZD 60/2.8...
Let's hope Sony learns something from Olympus about optics, not the other way around! Olympus has already benefited quite a lot from that new Sony sensor in the EM-5...
Or how to take a statement out of context and twist its meaning. Here's what he said: " We have core technology that they don't have in terms of sensors, processors and optics as well as a great heritage in 3D and now 4K [video]."
Dan: After experiencing the thumbs up and down system, I just realized something that could improve the overall user experience. You could make it visible who up or down-rates a post (similar to how you can see who "likes" a Facebook post). This way we can see if the same people doing the rating. This would resolve a lot of childish fights and make people think twice about rating a post.
"In an election, there is a good reason why voters choices are kept secret."
Not sure about that analogy. Most are not registered with their "real" name and the "real life" repercussions that would probably result out of a non secret ballot in elections are not likely in a forum.
As to the point that rating posts may be discouraged: in a way that would not be such a bad thing because right now (admittedly: maybe because everybody is trying out the new toy) I've got the feeling that the votes are handed out with far too little discretion as to make them informative in the least. For the posts I downvoted so far I would mind if my name was displayed with the vote. As to abuse due to voting (and by voting) - that would be task for the new moderators. P.S.: And please make public the information who in the current system upvoted their own posts ;-)
Switching between forums remains unnecessarily cumbersome, I think. How about a collapsible widget on the right side (below the user profile) with links to each user's ten most often visited forums (or alternatively: allow the user to populate that list in his preferences)?
In threaded view you might want to consider putting the/an additional forum navigation bar (forum, parent, next etc.) under the message. The current position (more or less on top of the page) works well enough with shorter messages. But once a message is so long that you have to scroll downward to read it completely you then have to scroll back up to get to the next post or return to the forum which you would logically expect where your eyes are after reading a message - at the bottom of the message box.
Lee Jay: You've just added the forum to the recent view. Good work. However, the forum links link to unread, same as the links under last post. Change it to the forum itself, and you're there with that one.
I would add: also scrap the ratings from the recent view then you have more space for the forum names and can reduce the vertical spacing.
Why does clicking on the number in the "last post" column not link to the last post?
Since dpreview usually lauds customization in cameras - wouldn't it be possible to give us forum users some custom buttons as well (to be placed next to the (very prominent but seldom used) new thread/new question buttons for example)?I guess most of us have certain forums we visit more often or want certain filtering options but are not interested in others. So instead of each time working our way through fold-out menues (or creating browser bookmarks), why not give us some quick link buttons we can edit in our preferences?
In order that I don't come off as too negative: the new "question" module seems like a very good idea. Especially the indicator in the forum overview that a question has been answered.
I don't know if its possible to implement: But how about an option to deactivate the mouse-over balloons?
Don10: Looks pretty but not as functional as the old layout.
Thanks for the heads up re issue 1. Re issue 2: I don't think I'll want to use expanded view (far too much black space) :-(
ck3: Sorry for being negative but:
I wish you had used the redesign to address the "flat-view-user-replying-in-the-middle-of-a-thread-problem" by offering two choices under each post in flat view: "reply to thread" and "reply to this message".
Bummer there is no "ignore thread" function. Threads by ignored users aren't even pushed to the bottom of the page anymore.
Also: If a camera manufacturer did implement a function in their camera the way you implemented the "filter discussions without images"-function, you'd roast them alive in your reviews. I don't want to filter out threads without images, I want to filter out "my latest image" threads.
Why not implement a function that a user creating a thread can specify whether it's a technical thread or a picture post and then offer us to filter accordingly?
BTW: Did the feedback in the previous comments section result in any changes?
"Have either of you read the news story?Specifically the 'Existing Feedback' sub-section?"
Thanks for addressing the points raised ;-) (Yes, I noticed now the issue of ignoring threads will be worked on and that there is the catch-all item "Additional requested tweaks and improvements").
"we've tried hard to increase, not reduce functionality - please let us know what's been lost!"
The ability to see who started a thread (in collapsed view at least), and threads by ignored users at the bottom of the page.
Sorry for being negative but:
nevada5: I'd love to see you eliminate the "photo sharing" that clutters up several forums here. There are dozens of sites for that. But here, where equipment is discussed, is not the place for "look at what I shot today."
apropos ignoring threads - will there be an option to ignore threads? IMO that would be more useful than the current "ignore user".
mosc: "Simple answer: 33 million messages in threaded format"
You're not the first forum to deal with this issue. Apply some logic and flatten those threads! You're a decade behind the times and the forums are gruelingly difficult to use because of it. It's not OK, you can't just throw some paint on top of it. The structure itself is what makes finding anything a pain in the ass.
I don't use your forums, guess why?
"I don't think you're understanding the difference between what DPR forums look like compared to say, any modern format for a forum in existence."
Well, as to the understanding part - you're wrong. But guess what - I still prefer threaded view (and an option for nested view would be even better) to your so-called modern forums.
"I don't use your forums, guess why?"
You find them too difficult ;-)I find this comment section a PITA to use but, well, maybe I'm a decade behind.
LensHood: I really really wonder why you sticked to the threated view of a discussion. It is my single most complaint about this wonderful resource. Just show everything in a flat view. Show ALL messages in a thread simultaneously. It is extremely inconvenient to have these multiple threats. And really, ever noticed that no other forum on the planet does this anymore?
"All of a sudden I answer in one of the trees. Huh?"
Reading comprehension 101: "reply this message". If you want to reply to the OP reply to the first message.
"it causes discussions to go astray. Everybody starts their subdiscussion. In a forum where every minute ten to fifty discussions start, having discussions is totally unnecessary. "
In threaded view you don't have to read the subdiscussions. It's mostly the flat view folks who complain about discussions. Personally I don't want to start a new thread for each new discussion.
"Discussion trees are abandoned everywhere. It's 2012."
jamesfrmphilly: be nice if DPREVIEW actually got back to doing camera reviews…..D800, 5D III, D600, D6.to hell with the cosmetics do a review!
If you are interested in reviews so much, shouldn't you have noticed that the D800 and 5D Mk III have already been reviewed? As to the other two cameras - the D600 review is obviously in progress while the 6D hasn't been made available.
Jonathan Mac: Please make the flat view the default. It currently isn't if you go to a thread from the main DPR page (the most popular threads). I find the non-flat view absolutely useless and I don't know why it even exists.
The changes look good in general though.
"I find the non-flat view absolutely useless and I don't know why it even exists."
That's painfully obvious from your habit of replying in the middle of a thread in the forums (if you want to reply to the OP click on reply under his post, not under the last posted message) ;-)I wish people would spend some time learning how to use the forum software before stating what is necessary and what not.
napilopez: I like all of the upcoming changes!
As someone else suggested, my only criticism is that I'd rather have a "like" button than an upvote and downvote button. Having just a like button is enough to tell you something positive about a post. Having a negative button encourages negativity and arguing, methinks.
If I can like something I can also dislike it. What counts for the usefulness of the rating system is the net rating, with the "likes" adding votes and the dislikes subtracting votes.If someone upvotes a meaningless message and leads me to click on it, I want to be able to tell other posters that I didn't think it was worthwhile to read.
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