steve_hoge: What's a good site to look for shootout articles that would rigorously compare GoPro models with their Sony/Panny/Chinese competition?
I've heard from other users that the SJ4000 is basically a GoPro without the label. A total knockoff capable of doing the exact same things, even exhibiting slightly better flare control, all for a lower price. Not making a plug here for the SJ4000, just saying it's an option.
mpgxsvcd: Why do we need a touch screen if we have a perfectly good App to view and control the camera?
I myself hate the iPad app because of the lag.
4k@30p is nice, but if the price keeps getting higher and higher, I might not be willing to upgrade past the next version for my drone work.
Sisung: Considering the number of users that randomly change settings not having a clue what they're doing, it would make sense for Samsung to program their demo cameras with a reset whenever it's turned off, or after x minutes.
And I wouldn't expect the camera so be in stores in October. I just hope that if any of these bugs are true, that they're fixed before the device is sitting in my lap.
If they bring it out in December, even better, I can justify buying it by calling it a Christmas present to myself haha.
I think I realize the problem with my own thinking: the 1/250s is with traditional DSLRs, which doesn't apply to mirrorless models.
So it's the shutter that can sync up to 1/4000, not the flash, right?
Flash sync at 1/4000s? Are you sure you don't mean the shutter speed? Usually flashes only go up to 1/250s. Can anyone confirm this?
EDIT: While we all can use flash in high-speed sync at up to 1/8000s, in manual mode the fastest it can go is 1/250s. If the LX100 claims to be able to high-speed sync at 1/4000, that's going to get laughed out of the park.
maxnimo: Seems like a nice camera, but are there any available lenses that can properly use all those fine megapixels? Without an edge to edge sharp lens most of those megapixels simply get wasted. Another words, how does Samsung glass compare to Zeiss, Fujinon or Leica?
Interesting to see that Samsung lenses are this high quality. I've never touched them before and am happy to see good competition, which benefits us all by pushing the companies forward.
Right now the Samsung lineup seems a bit thin with only seven on their product page. Will need more lenses of familiar lengths (24-70, 70-200, 50) to draw more converts.
sierranvin: Worth waiting for? But I already died, 27 mos. ago...But it's ok, I'm coming back to life to check it out.Wait, what's this, it weighs even more than the old 7D?As a working nature photographer, I guess I'll be looking at the Sony a77MII at 2/3 the weight, 12 fps, EVF and 24MP. I feel very foolish for having waited to compare this product.
I can understand the 12fps, EVF and 24MP, but why would you be concerned with 2/3 the weight? I assume you're already using big lenses like many of us, so the weight of the body shouldn't be an issue, right? As it is, I find the 7D too light to go with the big lenses.
"...and Full HD video..."
Uh, didn't my 7D1 already have that?
I don't agree with the light thing because it removes "professional" points. If Tony Stewart drove around the track in a bright pink car with lots of hearts and angels all over it, it doesn't matter what's under the engine, it'll make the news for ugliest car in history. Likewise, I think the lights on this camera makes people take it less seriously. If Ricoh wants to sell this as a "camera" and not a "cool gadget," this is not the best way to do it. In this materialistic age, outward appearances do matter.
I'm all for having fun, but these lights are not my cup of tea. Just my $0.02.
marc petzold: I'm wondering because DPR did the "Experiment" the 1st Time - to compare different Sensor & Camera Classes, which are simply not comparable.
Otherwise, DPR compares different FF Sensor DSLR/DSLMs, APS-C, etc...but m43 and FF - why the hell? Both cameras have their different application & niche - the A7S for lowlight photography, the GH4 mostly for video - so why the hell a comparsion? no offence.
I do also not compare 1 inch sensors to APS-C, and so on...because that simply doesn't make sense.
Next time someone comes comparsion FF to Medium Format, or an MiniCooper to a Ferrari - WTF?
"From youtube comparisons..." Remember that Youtube also has a denoising algorithm so any video posted on Youtube will have less noise. Also, depending on which video you saw, it might be a 4k-rescaled-to-1080p, which gives it an advantage over straight-1080p A7s footage.
The GH4 holds less detail in the shadows, there's no debate there. The A7s' slog-2 has a greater dynamic range that allows greater post production. So yes, A7s is actually a better "pro" video solution if you're going to drag the videos in DaVinci Resolve afterward. The A7s is not a low-light photography tool only, though I agree the GH4 is mostly for video. Don't see too many people touting that camera's stills quality.
Actually not surprising to find the A7s with superior low-light performance. After all, that's the A7s' mission in life, right? I think this is kind of an apples and oranges between the A7s and GH4. If you want terrific continuous AF and internal 4k recording, the GH4 is an easy choice. If you have to deal with low-light situations and want to work with Slog-2, the A7s is your ticket. Both have advantages and shortcomings. What's most important is every user figure out what sort of work he does, then buys the appropriate tool. I have an A7s and love it. My friend has a GH4 and love it. To each his own.
andyshon: To me the interesting question is why? Clearly they had the budget to shoot on any camera they chose. So why take the risk of using an unproven system like this?
@pko, I actually know movie making quite well, thank you. I hope you're not assuming that I think Spielberg filmed "Ryan" with a DSLR?
The 5D was used to shoot "Men of Valor" to prove a point: that it can be done. With an adaptor, cine lenses of different brands can easily be mounted on different brand bodies, or are we not talking about the same thing? Put a Zeiss CP.2 on a A7s vs on an Alexa. The only difference in price is the body. The rig itself ought to cost the same. Why would you think it's going to be more expensive?
I would really like to know why you hate the A7s so much?
Jonath: Love them or hate them, the best thing that Sony are doing for the camera market is making it interesting again. Plenty of innovation, admittedly some of it questionable, but really trying new things and getting a debate going... like this one for example... just a simply news story about a Sony body used to film one commercial and nearly 200 comments already... if only Canikon could create this much debate or much needed interest in a market that is sadly shrinking for all brands.
Good points by TrojMacReady. Sony is a far broader brand and naturally spends much more money on ad buys to cover all their products. Not sure why pko hates the A7s. Innovation is good no matter which brand it's from. Mass suicide from Sony fan boys when the A7s is surpassed? That could also mean that lots of Canon and Nikon users already jumped off their favorite bridge when the A7s beat their current cameras, right?
Innovation of any kind is to be applauded.
Envious of anyone actually thinking about buying this.
Well, either they achieved great results and discovered a new (and probably cheaper) alternative to future commercials, or they found out that this isn't going to work and will tell others to stay away. I'm glad someone tried this on a professional level. The 5D2 shot a movie before, so the A7s filming a commercial shouldn't be too hard.
I agree. Canon pioneered this market but has gotten annoyingly lazy in making it better or pushing the envelope. Panasonic's GH series and now Sony's A7s have created new possibilities. Innovation benefits us all.
dash2k8: All these haters coming out of the woods! I see this situation as Company A decided to use Device B to shoot Commercial C. Who cares what they use, as long as they get the desired results? The Mona Lisa was painted with a 0 megapixel camel hair brush but the result wasn't so bad, was it?
If you don't like the A7s, say "I don't like the A7s" or "I would use something more powerful/expensive/professional." To dump on this camera just because it's not an Arri is nothing but self-service.
All valid points that I concede. I think, though, that my message was more about using a brush to achieve results that were no worse off because there were no megapixels. ;) Let's get back on topic, folks. :D
All these haters coming out of the woods! I see this situation as Company A decided to use Device B to shoot Commercial C. Who cares what they use, as long as they get the desired results? The Mona Lisa was painted with a 0 megapixel camel hair brush but the result wasn't so bad, was it?