The A7r is all about resolution, but I do wonder how the A7 would have fared in a similar comparison. In some respects it seems the more "all rounded" package the A7 offers is somehow being lost to the extremes offered by the 7s and 7r.
fredrious: Thanks for noting the "Equivalent aperture range" as well. Ridiculously the official introducing video under the following link highlights the lens specifications as: F2.8-4.0/25-400mm* (from 0:40 to 0:48). They convert the zoom range but not the aperture range. To me this is cheating!
I don't think it is cheating, as such, as the "equivalent aperture" calculation is misleading in itself and I don't really understand why reviewers persist in quoting it.
Its interest is only for those who want to know about DoF, nothing more, and is misleading because for anyone else who doesn't really understand apertures, it will give the wrong impression, as here. The FZ200 is a true f2.8 throughout its range, although from the relatively aperture argument, one might get the impression it is very slow indeed, which it most certainly isn't.
HeyItsJoel: He tried to use a typewriter to pay his taxes online. The IRS is looking for him.
I wonder when was the last time you paid UK taxes? It's now officially HM Revenue and Customs, or HMRC.
jmajors: Mind boggling to see that happening now. Of course, the 409K does not resemble the actual scene but it just shows how they've gone to make the NR extremely low at high ISO and I would LIKE to see a very low noise at 25,600 which seems to be the way we see at night with ambient light from moon and fire. 409K makes it look like it's happening in the daytime. But really, the point is that the camera is extremely sensitive and is able to keep noise under control. That impresses me.
I believe you're spot on regarding available, but natural, lighting. Of course, using a tripod combined with low ISO and slow shutter speed a similar result cane be achieved. But I think photographers shooting with available light at night, simply need an ISO that let's them hand-hold their camera and avoid camera shake. And not necessarily to overdo the ISO setting.
24mm or 100mm equivalent tele? 24mm any day. No amount of working in Photoshop or LR will put in what the camera didn't capture, whereas 70mm is still reasonable for a portrait lens, being not far off the classic 85 or 90mm lenses of old and Photoshop and LR can blow up the image to make up the difference with hardly any loss in IQ.
simon62: Before Leica M9 was released, Leica had said that a full-frame M series would be very unlikely... Due to the very short flange distance "peripheral rays would end up striking the corners of the photo site wells rather than the silicon at the bottom of the well". After they finaly made their full frame M9, they claimed that they fixed this "through "the use of microlenses over the sensor as well as the positioning of the photo sites at the periphery of the sensor". Reviewers then said that they saw no vignetting or any other artifacts, even (with lenses) wide open! This actually put Leica back in the game. I believed back then that, somehow in Kodak, they managed to make a sensor that produced no fringing with wide angle lenses but I never believed that (symmetrical) wide angle lenses have almost no vigneting. It is NOT NATURAL! Now, I know that this sounds too much but I wonder if Leica made also that "fix" simply by a in-camera software...
No lens is perfect. But I'd guess that what dopsgp was really commenting on was, in their day, and compared to their peers, Leica lenses did approach closest to perfection.
Your f4/90mm isn't amazing, I have one also. But it is a fairly simple triplet design that was, and still is, an extraordinary performer for portraits which I understand is what most users got it for. Compared to Leica's other offerings of the day, I suppose one could say this was an "entry level" Leica.
tinetz: I'm not a native speaker but if dpreview says that "Leica was very keen to stress the optical quality of the new lenses" and this "relied on optical corrections, RATHER THAN software to project the best possible image onto the sensor" - where does this imply that no software based lens correction might be used at all? Doesn't 'rather than' mean 'more than'?Has anyone of the writers of over 1600 comments had the chance to judge the resulting optical quality or is this all just hearsay and unreflected shitstorming? Just curious, not at all affiliated with Leica ;-)
Actually, guys, you are all correct, except in Merten's use of English (likely as not to be because English is not your first language?) but as a native Englishman I can tell you that the use of "rather" and "rather than" has more subtleties than you may appreciate where English may not be your first language. Much depends upon the sentence it is used in and thus its meaning can be quite subtle at times and much depends upon context and particularly which words in the sentence it is augmenting.
in the context of the dpr quote of what they were told, if this is indeed factual, it would mean no software corrections were used as reliance was placed on optical corrections (only). In this case, it is the use of the word "rely" taken with "rather than" which sets the meaning. Oh, the joys of the English language!
What would have been interesting, if this is indeed what Leica told dpr, if they immediately followed up this "revelation" with a question to confirm what was said.
You comment that the distortions can't be turned off in jpeg. But according to my menu structure they can, individually, or completely.
Can you comment, please?
PowerG9atBlackForest: Leica:What they do and what they don't - it is their affair.What they bring forward is an offer. Feel free to accept or not.Why complain?
There's a saying here in the UK: don't buy a pig in a poke.
Now, I'm not saying this applies to Leica products, but to the principle. And five posters agree with you. Amazing.
Pascal Parvex: Had this camera before I bought my first DSLR, the 5D Classic. It is a capable camera, the first time I bought a Sony, as Canon did not have something comparable. I shot two Tokio Hotel concerts with this one, some pictures with 3200 ISO that turned out usable. Just the red tones are a little bit too speckled. Bought a DSLR afterwards because the R1 is quite slow.
Agreed about the speed of handling, and by today's standards, the higher ISO settings are quite poor.
But where these aspects don't really matter, its IQ from the superb Zeiss lens can still give a modern dlsr a run for its money. And it would have to be a top of the range one as well, with top jolly optics.
Stu 5: It's DPReview that actually said:
"Where they differ from most mirrorless designs, though, is in using only optical correction for distortion, rather than incorporating software corrections into the lens design."
Where did DPReview get this information from? It does not appear to be in Leica's press release. I hope they have got their facts correct otherwise DPR are at best going to look pretty stupid. DPR needs to show the source of the information that Leica said they do not use software correction on these lenses.
Well, if you read the intro to this review, it clearly states:
"During pre-launch briefings for the T, Leica was very keen to stress the optical quality of the new lenses. Most interestingly, we were told they relied on optical corrections, rather than software...."
Couldn't be much clearer than this.
Black Box: Leica should fire their markotologists.
Could DPR also check if it's true that they make one 94-g body out of one 1.2-kg aluminium block? I bet that's a lie as well.
I'm not an engineer, could it be easier to machine the block as opposed to casting it? But I guess the waste gets recycled into another block anyway.
skeen: DPR were not able to do a test/comparison with the 23mm prime - I have the T, and the 23mm ... I've uploaded an OOC JPG and a DNG here: https://mega.co.nz/#F!Fh4giBAC!FEXKN1zGyA5RhYz2TcxjoQ
I don't know whether Leica said they did no corrections or not, but I think that for any manufacturer (not just Leica), the likelihood of them lying about this when it will be naturally discovered otherwise seems rather unlikely.
People are saying, "I just don't understand how they thought they could get away with this", well...the most reasonable explanation then, surely, is that there's just been some kind of miscommunication. That is surely the only thing that makes sense at this point...?
Yes, ask the same technical question of any sales/PR rep of any camera manufacturer, and the likelihood is they wouldn't know. But this said, if they did imply it was all optical, then by the same token, they must have got the info from someone. A bit clumsy of Leica as the cat would be out of the bag as soon as anyone opened an image.
I'm no Leica hater, I own 6 film bodies, but already there seem to be some inconsistencies emerging. All the inferences I've seen point to the body being polished in Germany, Leica don't actually SAY it is, but look at their video. Now it seems it is polished at their Portuguese plant where labour is cheaper.
And lenses made in Japan because they say they don't have the capacity at Wetzlar? So will some lenses be made in Germany, then? I doubt it, it is cheaper to make them in Japan. I'm sure quality won't be an issue, but this isn't the point.
Lovely images of a bygone era. Very precious and unrepeatable. Thanks for making these available.
I own a 5N and A7. What I'm not seeing in the images posted here is as good as those from my 5N. Here, they all look somewhat flat and lacklustre and seem to lack sharpness, despite being shot under good lighting conditions. Could this be down to the kit lens, I wonder? On my 5N I use the little Sigma f2.8 30mm which is very sharp.
Now, comparing these images to OOC from my A7, there is a similarity in presentation and I'm finding even the A7 images need a little post processing to pep them up a little. Sharpness isn't an issue, I've found. I use a Canon 28-105 f3.5/f4.5 USM, and which whilst not quite up to Canon's L series, images are sharp.
RussellInCincinnati: Can't see the weight of this new lens anywhere.
98 grams. Ouch, this will play havoc with my back. lol.
George Veltchev: You can by almost a dozen Zenit 122 cameras with 50mm lens for the price of this lens !
Yes, but what would you prefer, one good bottle of wine or 12 bottles of plonk?
AndreaV: Well... it's more expensive than the Canon 20mm f2.8 and 2 stops darker. Is the quality really THAT good?
@ Wye Photography.
"Are the Russians known to make quality high resolution lenses?"
Well, actually, they have. But, as with most lenses designed for film use, they normally don't perform at anywhere near their best with digital sensors.
For use with my M3 or M6, I use two wide angle lenses, the f2.8/35mm Jupiter, which cost me about £13 in 1974, and when comparing K25 slides with a friend who had a £180 Canon f2/35mm it was very difficult to separate them, and we were using a high quality Rollei Projar-S lens in the projector. Unfortunately, this lens has a rear protruding naked lens element, so I can't use it on my A7 to see how it performs.
The second lens is the Orion-15 f6/28mm. I have it in L39 screw mount and Contax rangefinder. Both are superb with film, and in reality the slow f6 aperture isn't an issue as most wide angle lenses need stopping down to around f8 for best overall performance. This works exceptionally well on the A7 at f8 with edge to edge sharpness.
Stollen1234: "Made in Russia" so it will be boycotted. These people do not respect human lives freedom and prosperity
Putin Crimea war soshi enough said
Mark Twain once said that, “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.” With 64% of US citizens not having a passport, this could explain a lot of the anti-Russian posts here.
I believe Putin to be dangerous, and there will be an element of politically opinionated Russians equally anti-West, not just anti-US, but equally I suspect most other Russians are quite normal, just like the rest of us.
CFynn: "The new lens is handmade out of brass" - I wonder, how do you make a lens out of an opaque metal? Is it a pinhole lens or something?
Of course it's not handmade. The body is machined and the lens elements will by ground using an optical grinder. For "handmade" read "assembled by hand".