HenryDS61: I was looking at getting the X-E2 second hand on E-bay, but with X-Pro2 coming soon the X-Pro1, brand new, with two beautiful prime lenses and the gorgeous full leather case is available at a no-brainer price of £649 in the UK.My wife bought me this unbeatable package as a present for our 30th anniversary! What a wife? (love you so much Fee X).
The camera IQ is amazing, handling is fantastic, build quality is superb, (not a plastic part in sight, more than can be said for a comparatively priced CanNikon DSLR). I take it everywhere with me, it's small light and always at hand.If like me you don't have the time or the money to buy an X-pro2 and if you don't just want the latest, buy what is still, (for me at least) the greatest camera bargain going. My advice is grab one before it's gone!
I've spotted this incredible 2 lens offer here in the UK as well. Very tempting, but the 28mm f2.8 would be a nothing focal length for me, too close to the 18mm. Fortunately, I found a mint outfit from a London Leica dealer whom I've dealt with before so I know the quality of his used equipment, and this kit comprises of the f2/18mm and the very desirable f1.4/35mm.
Several years ago I was out walking with my M6/f1.7 35mm Voigtlander Ultron in a Leica ERC. I fell awkwardly off a kerb and in doing so the case hit the road with an almighty thump.
The lenshood was badly distorted with the impact energy distorting the lens helicoid so it became virtually impossible to focus. Also, the thread of the camera retaining screw in the case had been bent making it very difficult to unscrew to get the camera out of the case.
As for the M6 itself, it suffered no damage whatsoever. The rangefinder was still in perfect alignment and subsequent tests showed the lens flange was also perfectly aligned. It is still going strong today. Lessons learned: Leica M3's built like tanks, ERC's offer virtually no protection, the human body is more easily damaged!
futile32: I always get this the wrong way round so correct me if I'm wrong, but "4:1 macro" would mean 4x life? Should it be "1:4 macro" ?
It will become clearer if you view the ratio as a fraction. "4:1" thus becomes "4/1" i.e. four times life size, and "1:4" becomes "1/4", or one quarter life size.
So your interpretation is correct, and the reviewer is wrong.
CameraLabTester: Counterfeit goods are rampantly produce in countries where copyrights and trademark ownership are not protected.
Now, where in the World could that country be?
Is there such a place?
I understand your tongue in cheek comment. That place does exist, and most know where it is. In fact, the motor manufacturer BMW actually sought redress in that country's courts against the manufacturer of a look alike car. To the normal viewer, the vehicle was identical to the BMW original, but BMW lost. Most know that this country is no respecter of copyright, in fact they believe in the opposite, the right to copy!
andix: Sadly this is a big warning signal for buyers about the real costs of such products and how big brands get away with markups of 300% and more. Now don't get me wrong, I don't condone counterfeit in the least, but the whole story still leaves me wondering - if the manufacturing price for a speedlite is about $40 and pirates still make a profit selling it for $100, why are we paying $600 for the real deal? You know, kind of how like Hasselblad is selling the same Sony for triple the money.
I suspect greed and GAS are a lethal combination. For our wallets, that is.
And of course Canon owners expect Canon to guarantee and service their products for some time after purchase. For this, Canon (and other reputable manufacturers) will have service centres located in the countries in which their products are sold. This costs money which the fakers don't meet. Try getting your Yonguno serviced, in say, the UK. Forget it.
I do agree that own brand batteries can be extortionate in price, especially as there are established battery brands, such as Duracell and Energiser, who can often provide compatible batteries at significantly less cost. These will be every bit as good as the original. And look at Leica's pricing for its battery for the Q camera. Identical to a Panasonic battery, but at a huge mark-up.
valenttin: First guilt is on the Canon shoulders... They contract with a China/Taiwan/Singapore/Philippine/etc company one thousand products. The company made two thousand using exactly the same components, made in the same place, with the same workers. They was very nice to make some physic differences between products. Greed cost so much... I use Metz, always made in Germany!
Strictly speaking, Metz is not bankrupt, but insolvent. This simply means its income is less than its expenditure, and over a short term can be managed. It is only at the point where income becomes irretrievably less than expenditure, that a company will file for bankruptcy when it can no longer meet its financial obligations.
A company that is insolvent can continue to operate whilst it sorts itself out, which is what Metz is trying to do. So the company may well survive as a slimmed down version.
ConanFujiX: One day someone will copyright the air that we need to breathe.
Well, sort of, already in some cities where vehicle users are charged for entering certain zones on the basis of discouraging them to pollute the air. So if you can't copyright it, Governments can tax you for polluting it.
FujLiver: Shows everything that is wrong with the EU.
The UK is smart, as it will become the most photographed country it will continue to be the number one destination for tourists.
You reap what you so. Have pity on us who live in the EU dictatorship
I very much like your upbeat comment, and support you. But the UK is in the EU, and it hasn't got a good track record of standing up for its citizens in the face of EU bureaucracy. Every time it comes up against EU law which we signed up to and so can't reverse. EU law overrides UK law, and many Brits are not happy about this.
lxcellent: Can someone please explain the 28mm lens choice by Leica? It seems so counter to what they have done in the past. I would expect a 35mm or even a 50mm. In fact, isn't easier to design an optically perfect 50mm than 28mm? It seems like Leica could have gone with a 50mm and one could add a screw on adapter to make it wider or more tele. (Which I realize is sacrilege for Leica.) What am I missing folks? The 28mm seems so unusual.
You've just answered what was going through my mind: why not shoot normally at 28mm and crop to one's personal taste in post processing? This way one would have far more control over the crop position within the frame. This wouldn't be the case if the sensor was being cropped.
I see now that the crop lines within the EVF replicate what one can do with a Leica M, film or digital camera, and select alternative frames to check composition irrespective of the actual focal length of the lens attached. Trouble is, with the Q, one can not then select the appropriate lens to maximise the pixel count of the sensor. Still, for those who relish what a 28mm lens can give them, this still looks like a great camera for them.
It is still priced above my level, but I do like all the controls that are built into the lens, and not the body.
Pat Cullinan Jr: The price is OK, but the lugs stick out too much, so I'll pass on it.
I can't believe what I have just read. You buy cameras based on what their lugs look like, so you'll pass on anything else the camera has to offer?
guyfawkes: A genuine question: I wonder how the Sigma Foveon sensor which eshews the Bayer filter too, would compare in pure image terms when set to b/w mode?
Clearly, in pure resolution terms it won't equal the M246, and the Leica lenses will undoubtedly be superior, but in view of the unique architecture of the Foveon sensor, would this not be the nearest competition to the M246 than any other digital camera using the Bayer sensor?
Just a thought. Any views, guys?
Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the I-R site. That is a truly impressive image of Grand Central Station, isn't it?
I use a Sigma f2.8/30mm (the earlier design with the ribbed manual focus ring) on my Nex 5N and it is indeed a good match and sharp. About two weeks ago I thought I'd dip my toe in the water to judge for myself what the Foveon sensor was all about. True, I've gone for the first DP1 and its f4 lens isn't as good, it seems, as the later f2.8, but as for overall imaging, I can get a feel for what it is all about. I can definitely see differences in how it renders. And I like how it does it.
So now I have a direct replacement for my Ricoh GR1 film camera and with the convenience of being digital.
As regards B/W imaging, I am experimenting with RAW conversions, and the in-camera setting, which is jpeg only. Could be an interesting few days ahead.
captura: The older 30mm DN DX version with it's serrated barrel provides a much higher IQ (overall rating) and sharpness compared to this new sleek ART version, according to DxO rankings. Certainly on any Sony APS-C body and probably on M43 too.
46mm Panasonic matched filter threads permit the use of tiny Panasonic 'G' ultra-wide or fisheye adapters, on the Sigma 19 mm version only.
I would concur. I have the older model and this is a great match for my Sony 5N. It is a very sharp lens and pulls out amazing amounts of detail.
A genuine question: I wonder how the Sigma Foveon sensor which eshews the Bayer filter too, would compare in pure image terms when set to b/w mode?
dccdp: This is the weirdest justification for snobbery I've ever read.
Just face it: if there really is a practical value to this type of camera, the market will request it, and other companies will start make it in volumes so that in two years such tools will be sold at affordable prices. But I'm afraid this is not about practical value, and this kind of tool is not really needed by photographers or artists. This is only a collector piece, it's about snobbery, and about throwing away money just to get a fabricated feeling of being special and unique. They might as well have printed a limited edition stamp with "Monochrom" written in gold letters on its face, and the effect would have been the same.
When you go to an art gallery, you don't care what brand of paint has the artist used. You just look at the painting and value its message.
@ Venture-Star. The requirement for the CD format to play a complete classical work was the wish of the head of Sony who wanted to listen to Beethoven's 9th Symphony uninterrupted. This was something impossible with an LP disc. In fact, it wasn't until Decca released the recording with Ansermet and and his OSR orchestra that it was possible even to get the work onto one LP. But this still entailed a side break.
Loreno Heer: It is funny how people here are apparently so upset about this camera. Fact is, it will be sold, a lot. It is a great camera to work with and it is fun to use. If you never used one maybe you should try before giving your oppinion. Many stores give you one to tryout for free for a few days. By the way, the statement in the article: "255 shades of grey" is wrong. As far as I know the sample-depth is 14-bit (maybe even 16) which would equal to 65536 shades of grey.
Not sure where the UK price of £12,750 comes from, unless it includes a lens, but the body only price is widely advertised at £5,750, inclusive of 20% sales tax.
Andrew Elliott: On Flickr, when I search for B&W images made with a Leica, about 8 times out of 10, I guess correctly the ones taken by the M Monochrom.
You really need to see the printed images from the M Monochrom to really understand how good its output is.
I recently bought a Canon Pro-1 printer, it has 5 monochrome inks. Then I bought some Canson Baryta Photographique paper, A3+ size, very nice paper.
On printing a converted Canon 5d Mk3 B&W image taken with a Sigma 35mm f1.4 lens… and then printing the ‘same’ image taken with the M Monochrom with a Summilux 35mm f1.4 lens (both at f8, ISO 100 on the Canon and ISO320 on the MM, Sekonic 758 metering the light, same look achieved in Lightroom), the MM just looks lot better. As one might expect if you know what is going on, technically.
Despite all the hype on the internet, I don’t see how the M Monochrom v1’s output could be visibly improved with the Monochrom V2, at least not at the lower ISOs, where I hang around.
all the best
You highlight what many, most, overlook. It is no good viewing an image from an MM and printed on a normal inkjet printer/paper. This will kill any advantage it has. A dedicated printer and proper paper are a given.
Bervilat: Sony, please make an A7M with 36 Mp for 1/4 of the price of this and lets compare!!
No, no, no. :D) But make it 24mp and it would be a yes, yes, yes.
I'm not knocking you, but from what I've read having 36mp poses too many problems trying to hand hold it and get sharp images. This was the reason I opted for the A7. I applaud your sentiment!
Digiman69: While not a change lense system and with an APS-C sized sensor Sean Reid - Reid Reviews clearly demonstrated at low iso there's a B&W alternative. The Foveon Merrill's generation extracting in monochrome mode through the Sigma SPP a nearly pure monochromatic file thanks to the Foveon sensor architecture and absence of any Bayer filter.
I did wonder about this. Despite owning too many digital cameras for my own good (dear, oh dear, which one to take out today?) just last week I got a used DP1 out of curiosity to see what the differences in rendition will be.
I can't get my head around whether it is a 14mp or nearly 5mp camera, but the theory behind the sensor and how it captures colour looks very convincing, and so far there is definitely something about its colour rendition that sets it apart and which I like very much.
Thanks, Digiman69, for this impulse to give it a go.
Tungsten Nordstein: 'a switch from the previous CCDs to 24MP CMOS sensors, and thus the introduction of live view'
So, live view was not possible in cameras before CCD?
I believe this is correct. Live view in an slr needed to be able to use the sensor, ie contrast detect, to focus. Dslr's used phase detect at the time and their sensors couldn't use contrast detect as was common in all consumer point and shoots. The Panasonic LC10 was, I believe, the first dslr to have a proper implementation of live view and this used a Mos sensor, which Panasonic labeled a LiveMos. I understand it is in the way a CCD and CMOS sensor read data that differs, so live view is better served by CMOS, and now all dslrs use them.
guyfawkes: Some lovely images, but they do seem to stretch the meaning of the word "garden".
If one were to view these images without our thoughts being directed to what the title of the whole competition was, would "garden" come to our minds? I very much doubt it.
IMHO, only image #2.
OK, you got me! :D) I'll have to see if I can get to it when it goes on tour.