FranciscoJG: Pity that not even this time that NiKon made the perfect machine. It seemed that this Nikon was such, with its high-resolution 36Mp and quality at high ISO D3s's near. But the pixels of the NiKon D800 are smaller, this is the only way to put so many, and this has a price. Up to ISO400 the NiKon D800 is peerless nowadays. It is a fact that nobody can deny. From this value, the advantages disappear, and above ISO800 other have better sensors, even if slightly. For who makes sports photography in low light conditions, the D800 isn't the best purchase. I fully agree with those who have already verified that the D800 is optimal up to ISO800 I would say, but I can't deny that from that point on, many are similar and some are better. I need to work at high ISO and the D800 isn't the best in this situation. And that is a scientific fact, which is easily confirmed in photos. There was still at this time that the best of both worlds met in one machine: high resolution and high ISO capabilities.
What have pixels got to do with it?It's the sensor that captures the totality of light - however you divide up that sensor it will capture the same amount of light. Output the Canon and the D800 at the same size and you will see it's very similar, output the D800 at 30% more magnification (ie 1:1 then you will be definition see more detail / noise)The D700 has less noise per pixel but overall the D800 outperforms the D700. Why is it so difficult to explain to you people not to look at pixels if you want to compare across systems - or at least ensure that the comparison is done on the same basis for both cameras
Lensflair: An interesting article on cameralabs.com comparing the D800 and 5D3 and confirms in a real life situation what would be expected and what has been the general feedback on these cameras in relation to noise/performace at higher ISO settings - except of course if you only see a DXO score of course in which case you will begin seeing little trolls instead of noise elements.
"At 400 ISO though, those noise textures on the D800 have become a little more obvious..., the Canon is definitely cleaner at this point."
"With the sensitivity doubled to 800 ISO, the D800's noise textures are becoming increasingly apparent, while the Mark III is managing to keep them under control."
"At 1600 ISO, the noise has become more obvious on the D800"
"At 6400 ISO the gap widens as the D800 becomes very noisy viewed at 1:1, with edges becoming quite poorly defined. The Mark III certainly isn't noise-free at this point, but remains much cleaner and better-defined."
When you look at 1:1 on D800 - did you downsize to the 22mp of the CanonEvidently notThen how can you compare like for like? View the 2 at the same effective distances ie at same 'magnification'The picture is what you should be looking at not the pixels - the pixels are a third smallerso if you want to compare then either up size the Canon or downsize the Nikon, otherwise what you are doing is completely pointless
At the same size the 2 cameras will be remarkably similar, the d800 will retain a slightly detail advantage but the DXO comparison can't be ignored as it's a scientific evaluation and your comparison is based on ignoranceAnd the edges of a sensor dont perform worse - that would be a function of the lensEssentially in real life with a multitude of lenses you'll see precious little difference between the 2 cameras but only because if you are looking at pictures all the cameras are superb now - but looking at pixels isn't looking at the output of a sensor is it?
Heather Protz: Oh really gr8 if it is available for all D4, D800 and D800E. models. Hope they are free as well.
You have all 3 models and you dont know what firmware is?
draculavn: Bye bye nikon. I will buy a 5D mark 3
I'd would myself if I didn't have a problem with smearing of detail on high iso (woo hoo Canon goes up to 11)
SeanU: Wow the canon tolls are on a roll. software has bugs. always has always will. the key is that Nikon is fixing them... just like Canon will tape up your leaky mkiii's... if you ask them to.
Yeah with a price of tape - Canon owners must be seriously fed up
choejor: Hello Nikonians, I just download the Nikon D4 firmware upgrade and tried to install it. I have downloaded the instructions and followed all the steps. But It never worked for me. The upgrade option is not at all showing. I did everything that has been mentioned in the instruction. Any help will be highly appreciated.
No need to buy a D4 first
A pleasure, glad to help :-)
Sam Carriere: It's lovely that Nikon upgrades a camera (D800) that they can't even manage to produce to the extent that it's available in stores.More hype. More fraud.
God yes you're right, how dare they improve a camera that's already so good they can't make them quickly enough to sell them.
But why is improving a camera hype or fraud? Please tell
snow14: this is clearly about high MP people love the high miga pixels camera they gave that award to the 5dii in 1999 becuase it has highest MP at the time of release,not many people going to print billboard size and benefit from 36mp also there are not many lenses in nikon linup that has good enough resolving power to take advantage of all that36 MP ,i guess the markting team at nikon did good job.
@KSVThe D800 isn't just for amateurs, it will be used by pros who do not need FPS. FPS is useless for most except sports pros and spray and pray amateurs
The extra MP give more detail when downsized and allows more flexibility in croppingIn case you are anti cropping consider the various display formats on offer today and tell me no photographer needs to crop to suit display YOU may not print >A3 but others do AND 36MP will do more for your A3 than 12MP
Dont want it, dont buy it, but dont criticise those that see the advantages of the system
Ooh, you say they could have done more by lowering MP but those that want the extra speed or even higher ISO can buy it with a tool that is better suited for low light and speed, the D4
This gives high performance in many areas not just in the areas that you personally favour
Another one who moans that it isn't made exactly to their tastes - it seems to me with the public response to this camera, Nikon made exactly the right camera
ddolde: I will NEVER buy a D800
Of course it's compromised. If the camera limited because it subscribed to the purist philosophy you seem to want then it will surely impact on flexibility
You said that the D700 is plenty so if this does not improve on D700 we should be happy with the results - ergot, more is essentially more than what we need. If we keep the same quality but introduce video then the camera doesn't get any worse but adds what many people have wanted
If you want a niche product, buy one - this is an SLR which by their very design are compromises where portability is needed, the whole mirror function is a basic compromise to image quality
The bayer function is a fudge to image quality as well
Leica are the type of camera maker which would probably appeal to you, they can afford to operate in a niche market, an SLR must be many things to many people
If you want purist then get a purist camera, don't rail that a camera designed to appeal to many types of photographer isn't tailored just for you
Reality Check: @ numerous posts
Not bashing or soliciting a debate, the D800 is a great camera for Nikon to have in its stable, but it is not 'revolutionary' to the industry other than megapixel count - and the correct term in that regard is 'inevitable'.
As for the performance of the D800, any camera with a high megapixel count presents an opportunity to bin the output and increase the perceived noise levels and dynamic range performance. The 'advantage' the D800 provides is a ~78% binning as used by DxO (8mp image = 8x12 @ 300dpi) to achieve its 'record breaking' score - simply a higher compression than other sensors currently provide, not superiority of the sensor. Comparisons at the same compression ratio are not performed (24mp = ~5mp image, 22mp = ~4.5mp image, 12mp = ~3mp image, etc).
As for the sensor itself (per pixel level performance) there are several other cameras that have better performance results. Against its direct competitor, aside from pixel count, Nikon simply played catch up.
Nikon may have simply played catch up but there's few other cameras out there that evidently can keep up with it now
But I dont get the vitriol in trying to denigrate a camera that seems pretty amazing unless one has invested in a system that the D800 now renders more obsolete - for example if I had spent a lot of money on MF systems right now I'd be suffering from the massive costs for the very slight improvement and I'd probably feel inclined to make myself feel better by rubbishing the D800
audijam: voted by public? man...coming out with the winner is easier than the making of the movie of "The Dictator"
I now announce the winner is D800 and shut your mouth or you will die....LOL!!!! shut up and you all voted for D800, yes you did!....shut up! bang bang bang~
You edited this? Would hate to see how nonsensical it was before
Suave: I've got to wonder how many members of voting public ever seen, let alone touched a D800.
Or how many people can vote for a different camera as being best without comparing it to a D800?
4x4fun: From my point of view - it's the same as awarding unicorn being best horse... problem is what not many actually saw one and I'm not even mentioning riding experience :/
Well the public aren't going to make a great decision in comparing models since they're unlikelyto own sveral different cameras
So what's your point? That the public feel that the D800 is the best from what they have read or seen instead of choosing another camera as best from they have read or seen?
However there are lots of horse shows and I've never seen a unicorn win so perhaps using an example nobody voted for isn't the best way to explain your point
tonganqn: Great! the winner is a camera that suffers from AF issues, viewfinder misalignment, lock/freeze issues, etc. I'm wondering what does this say about the judges giving this award, uh.
With all those issues it must be a truly outstanding camera then.
I guess what it says about the judges is that they aren't bitter that they're not getting one
Ron Mc Gregor: Still have my NIKON EM and I love it.
Yeah I like old stuff too
Thomas Caudle: Still have my Nikon FA...
I've still got a Box Brownie
Having a terrible time with direct uploads to Flickr though
Morpho Hunter: Ah ...must due be the 36mp sensor ...why else would a camera that cannot produce sharp hand-held images when viewed at 100% win such an award?
Sorry that your technique wont stand up to using a high resolution camera - why dont you get a camera with the lowest resolution possible and get the cheapest lenses possible and then you would not have a problem with the difference between hand held and tripod supportedIt is true that the D800 isn't for low end amateurs so something more P&S maybe more suitable for you I agree
MediaDigitalVideo: I hope people buy a camera based on their own opinion.
People aren't able to make the detailled comparisons across various models like the reviewers can - equally you can always get a poor example - so one's own opinion alone isn't going to be necessarily the best informed opinion is it?I'd encourage people to read as many reviews as possible in addition to to seeing it it works for them individually
@KSVYo0u can have 12mp performance by downsampling to 12MPIt doesn't work the other way though
I'm glad to get a camera that can outperform the D700 in the areas the D700 excelled at but when the necessity requires can get 36MP or crop with impunity
It's so flexible because you can compromise on the areas you want to get what you want, it's a high MP machine, it's a v competent low light machine, it can achieve the highest DR of any camera - so it can take on any competition in any area and still be a front runner
When all said and done though you cannot get the same detail at 12mp with the D700 than you can get with the D800
I wont print v often at the sizes this camera can achieve but my images are going to be sharper at the sizes I do print with than if I used a lower MP camera
Dont see what's not to like unless you have an old technology and are starting to feel bad about it so you deride the replacement
@KSVDont follow your logic at all - the D800 sensor is better than the D700 sensor even with video so why would you wish for an inferior sensor just because it can do videoBlack and white only without the bayer array is going to give you < stop improvement in light - you can increase the ISO to compensate and then downsize and you have your B&W D700
So what if some people are making video lenses - dont buy them
Sounds to me like you want to give the image of a no compromise photgrapher but what you are railing against is not worsening stills photography - it gets better all the time despite any video technology inclusion
The D800 is hardly compromised in it's ability to take top class still photography