FrankS009: "The Lumix LX100 has features that the Lumix DMC-GX7 can’t match: in-camera raw processing, depth-by-defocus focusing, 4K video, 11fps burst shooting, for example."
Apart from the doubtful value of in-camera raw processing, the new focusing system, 4k video, and 11fps burst shooting were introduced after the GX7 made its appearance and are likely to be in any GX7 successor.
But the point is that it is the lenses that retain their value. Any camera body, including the LX100, is obsolete when it enters the market. That is why the GX7 plus the m4/3rds SYSTEM is a better value and a better choice than the LX100 or any fixed lens camera. So, for that matter, is the GM5.
I may be the nth person to question the value of in-camera raw processing, but it was one of the very few reasons why DPR denied a Gold rating to the GX7 in their review. This was a shockingly inadequate review that I remember! The other thing they cited was "tearing" in the EVF that most people do not see.
"The Lumix LX100 has features that the Lumix DMC-GX7 can’t match: in-camera raw processing, depth-by-defocus focusing, 4K video, 11fps burst shooting, for example."
armandino: Canon M system:Camera + 22/2.0 $31111-22mm $40018-55mm $10922/2.0 $11955-250mm $400adapter for EF $100
The canon M is designed for basic functionality and unfortunately a non competitive focus speed. Yet you can buy a whole system for the price of a mid range mirrorless. If AF speed and EVF are not your concern this is an excellent proposition. It also underlines the most obvious of the issues with the hyped mirrorless systems: they are overpriced.
There are various lens prices in the m4/3rds system. There are excellent primes and a range of zoom lenses up to 300mm (FF equiv) for two hundred dollars or less.
This looks like a great camera, but one that I will pass on in favour of the GM5 and it's capacity to take lenses I already have. Lenses are the real value. The GM5 is also lighter - before adding a lens of course. F.
FrankS009: As someone who has moved into "enthusiast" photography from point and shoot, I am trying to come to grips with this camera. Actually, I should literally grip one to try a camera that weights more than twice my Panasoniic GX7 - plus a 24-200 lens. This is a design and cultural statement from an different and older world of photography.
In an age when IQ is becoming the same for practical purposes between m4/3rds, ASP-C and FF, I can now go much lighter with the new Panasonic GM5 at one end of the spectrum, or medium format at the other with the 645z. What is this then?
I conclude that a camera like this is a fashion accessory, something to make a statement of a particular kind. It says "big honking camera" to people who are impressed by big cameras in a similar way that big watches are impressive, or pickup trucks or SUVs. What what does it do - significantly - that a GH4 or a Sony A7R cannot do, or the GM5 for that matter? To each his or her own preferences and purposes.
Agree, again I would say to each his or her own camera according to their needs, as well as their conscious or unconscious image considerations.
It has been the DSLRs that have been considered photographic orthodoxy, or the only game in town. Perhaps this Canon does indeed serve some people's strictly photographic purposes. But now there are also less heavy and smaller options, new options in a new era of photography.
Catalin Stavaru: Increasing the size of the camera was the stupidest thing Panasonic could do. Just make a detachable EVF and bundle it with the camera for free, not necessary to ruin the camera appeal and the display size for a small EVF.
I don't see the size difference as significance, and adding a detachable EVF is more complicated than you suggest, especially since the GM1 did not have a hot shoe. The LCD size is a different shape, but a apparently it is ok to use.F.
We already know that the IQ of the camera is at least as good as the GM1 and GX7. F.
Naveed Akhtar: GM1 is an excellent camera am very happy with it .. so this should be no worse but do we really need an EVF for this size/weight gain??
The lack of an EVF was one of the reasons I hesitated getting a GM1. In fact, I was expecting one when it was first introduced. F.
Black Box: WHY is Panasonic doing this over and over again! As soon as consumers (US!) like something about their camera, they take it away. As soon as enthusiasts liked the GF-1, Panasonic turned it into a point-and-shoot. People loved GM-1 as a stylish accessory. WHY turn it into a revolting pile of grey!?
Didn't read beyond the first page. DPR, GET RID OF THE SLIDESHOW FORMAT!
The red one looks quite stylish to me. But all cameras are fashion accessories of one kind or another, implicit or explicit.F.
Wellington100: Panny kicks butt. One tiny gripe is that the lens mount is still very low on the camera and my 20mm will still stick out at the bottom.
A half case will solve that. At least that is what I have in mind.F.
I enjoyed your amusing reply.
Accurate focusing and fast frame rates are also getting comparatively closer for mirrorless cameras. High quality glass does not have to be heavy any more either, particularly for m4/3rds.
But it was your "weaklings need not apply" line that was so much fun, at least partly because it was so ridiculous.
Camley: FrankS009. What disparaging remarks about a camera you know nothing about. I don't believe from your comments that you have ever owned a DSLR and yet you are now the expert on them.
Do you really think that IQ is the same for m43, APS-C and FF? You wish!
The new 7D will blow your camera out of the water for focussing and subject tracking. It's for people who do action photography and want a great all round tough camera that can do any photographic task.
An m43 camera is much more of a fashion statement. The 7D2 is a working camera.
My comments were not meant to be disparaging. They do not need to be uncritical however. I have a Panasonic G1 that has a DSLR style. I do not have to buy a DSLR to consider their relative size and weight.
My comments about IQ were based on thoughts of Michael Reichmann at LuLa. Of course there are differences in IQ for printing different sizes etc, but the time has come when other factors besides sensor size best determine which camera system we invest in. ALL cameras are design and fashion statements - I think I said that they are used by different folks for different purposes.
I never thought my camera was the best at focusing, but different cameras are coming closer in this area as well.
I appreciate your point that this camera might appeal to people who want a useful tough one, but like any model it does some tasks better than others. I would prefer not to do street photography. Its video is not the best either. I see it in a niche.
Thanks for your comments on mine.F.
As someone who has moved into "enthusiast" photography from point and shoot, I am trying to come to grips with this camera. Actually, I should literally grip one to try a camera that weights more than twice my Panasoniic GX7 - plus a 24-200 lens. This is a design and cultural statement from an different and older world of photography.
Canon is the company that voters on this site are most "keeping and eye on" at Photokina. Perhaps they are waiting to see if the company is going to produce a mirrorless product that will keep pace with the competition.
FrankS009: This is part I of a comparison, but where is the full GH4 review of its own?
Some cameras deserve their own reviews it seems, and others don't. Killing too birds with one stone may seem like economy, but it does not do justice to the GH4. You have already reviewed other 7 series Sonys.
This is part I of a comparison, but where is the full GH4 review of its own?
D1N0: The GH4 has one quarter the sensor size. It is obvious who wins.
Who wins what? F.
Enjoyed these very much, although am puzzled. We all know that the world was in black and white until after the war.
Quite heavy for the size. Not cheap either - lots of more able less expensive competitors, particularly in M4/3rds.