For those who are curious, another photographer shooting from the small balcony took a photo of me in the crowd shooting the video. I put it up as my cover photo on my facebook page, feel free to check it out (and like the page of course haha)
Combat By Design: That's a really cool idea! Though in a little bit of criticism, the skeleton housing would have been key in this situation.
How did you mount it? (I apologize if someone already answered that question...)
Punk shows are a LOT of fun to shoot, there's always a good amount of movement and raw emotion going on.
I only have two backs with the GoPro. It's the first generation and its the fully closed and partially closed ones. No real budget to get more gear (concerts dont pay that well, you do them because you love them).
It is mounted by using the GoPro tripod mount, which is then screwed into a cold shoe adapter that has two tighteners to ensure the GoPro stays snug in the hotshoe and another so it doesnt swivel.
Slaginfected: That was actually quite interesting and eye opening. Thanks for that, Pierre (and dpreview for posting this)!
I'm just a hobbyist with this (concert) photography stuff. However, especially recently, I ended up reading stuff from so called "pros", who only see their side of concert photography, without even being able to acknowledge that there are concerts and music scenes working quite differently to what they are used to / know of.
As a hobbyist I don't have no 3 song limit, sometimes the lighting is so bad, I have to use flash, some bands/scenes actually like this flash style; there are no photo pits, and money, well, as a hobbyist I don't get any money from that, anyway.
Seeing how you (as a pro) work and what the results are in circumstances closer to these I often end up with, I got a wee bit more self-confidence now in the things I do.
Keep up the good work, and using a GoPro cam for getting a meta-view on your work was an excellent idea! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Glad it helped boost your confidence! Sure, shooting at arenas (which I also do) gives you great light with a well seasoned band that was an awesome stage presence, resulting in killer photos. But that's not always the case. I love shooting smaller venues and being closer to bands and fans as well...
We do the best we have with what we are given. :)
JohnMatrix: two questions:1. why would you want to do this? (the end result is quite annoying to watch IMO).2. why is this even 'news'?
Thanks for posting that! I totally agree with the crappy audio. Would of loved to plug into the soundboard and capture the actual show sounds, but the plugs were being taken by working video guys :).
DrElliotMcGucken: Awesome idea and execution Pierre. Please do not mind the rather startling abundance of negative comments, as cool, new ideas and techniques are oft opposed in the arts and creative fields.
Rock on! Keep on pursuing, enhancing, and honing your novel ideas and techniques! :)
Dr. Elliot McGucken
Kind of you to say, thanks! I've been around the block for over a decade on internet forums (photo and non), so no worries about the negativity. Always happens. I take the emails and positivity from people and go from there haha
Robin G: Very nice Pierre. You captured a lot of great emotions in those pictures. Whenever I shoot concerts I mostly get awkward faces in stead of awesome ones like the ones you captured. Great idea to put your camera on your camera.
Can I ask which lens you used? You seem to get decent tele-zoom and wide-angle. Did you also use manual mode on your camera? A few tips on used equipment and settings are always welcome because I really like the looks of your photo's. Thanks!
Thanks Robin. I used a 24-70 f/2.8 lens. I like to use 2 cameras in a show, but in a tight pit like that, it's kinda hard. While I try and get the best shot in camera, some of the images are cropped due to lack of mobility to get to the right spot.
I'd be happy to chat more about it all, you can check me out on facebook (facebook.com/PierreBPhoto) and we'll chat there :)
JDThomas: The most obnoxious part is that he probably was blocking other photographers from getting shots because he had his GoPro mounted on top of his camera. There's nothing worse than being stuck shooting alongside someone who has no concern for other photographers who are also trying to do their jobs.
Leaving your flash, video mics or in this case a GoPro mounted to your camera is very poor etiquette and things like this can cause fights at bigger events and festivals. I've seen it happen.
The example photos aren't exactly pro quality work either.
You are totally right about getting in people's way. We are usually the same 10 in the pits in the bigger venues, and it is a very small community. We watch out for each other, duck under lenses, move when we can and don't hog spaces.
Walking in front of someone's shot (whether you have a GoPro, a 70-200 or a flash) is a huge no no.
Respect amongst photographer's is key and being mindful of others is huge. As is being mindful of fans! I always chat people up, apologize ahead of time for being in their way, saying I'll be gone in 30 secs. They pay the tickets after all.
And a little pot calling kettle black.. before posting remarks, get the facts ;)
GradyPhilpott: I can't figure out why there are so many negative people on this site. Does it really take that much brain-power to understand what this video is all about?
Sure, there's nothing earth-shattering about the technique, but it is what is and I would think that photographers could just take it at face value, without all the obtuse, negative comments.
Sooooo very well said. A while back I spent more time on forums posting than I did shooting. Then I quit forums, and shot more. Made quite a difference ;)
LarsDalsbo: Why would this get any attention at all? Not a new idea in any form and the result is horrible...
You are corret, I was using a 24-70, on a 5D3. I usually also have a 70-200 on a 5D2, but only go with 1 body in a tight pit. So I did rely on cropping for a few images, mainly some side view images such as the second one posted here. Depends on what you consider heavy, but about 30% of the image is cropped out.
I'm a fan of getting it right in camera, but sometimes, you don't really have a choice :)
ArcaSwiss: Who can call that garbage music ? Dreadful !
lol... we don't always chose what we shoot. I'm actually a fan of the band... they do sound better than on GoPro audio, but if punk isn't your cup of tea, thats cool :)
Nmphoto: Well done Pierre, judging by the comments not many people have experienced trying to capture a live band in a shocking lit mosh pit. You have done a great job and i bet the band, their fans and anyone who has actually seen a live band, like what you have done. Just remember our clients love our work and they are the only ones that matter. Its just sad that photography forums are full of "D1ckHeads".
Thanks for the kind words. I love what I do, and no worries, negative people who like to bring others down to bring themselves up rarely get to me. :)
tommy leong: professionally run concerts has a pit for security as well as for photographers.THEY DO NOT need to jostle with the run.
not all venues have pits. Some bands ask to not have pits as the venue charges the band for the security personel and the installation of the barricade. In some cases, the venue imposes it (metal, punk and other more aggressive shows).
The smaller the venue, the less chances you have of a photo pit. The two biggest venues here have pits almost all the time... once you get into the smaller ones (with a capacity of 400-800 people), the pit isnt always there.
The one I shot as is probably 8th or 9th in terms of max capacity in the city, and i have never seen in a pit there.
W5JCK: Big pile of poop if you ask me. The quality is as crappy as a smartphone video. Why not use the video capability on the dSLR and make a quality video?
I'm not hugely familar with M43 cameras, but figure most of those would be big and cumbersome mounted on TOP of my dSLR that I need to produce images.
I looked into the Contour cameras, but as i dont have that much free cash, settled on a used 1st gen GoPro :)
Gryfster: I think it was an interesting glimpse into a photographic experience I will never never do myself from someone who gets paid to do it. And it's marketing; which is important in every trade. Kudos to him for getting noticed and getting eyeballs and dpreview for promoting interesting things.
As for the quality, I am sure that over the 45 minutes he took way more pics and the ones showcased may not have been the most commercially saleable (I honestly have no idea but I thought some of them were pretty good).
And thanks for the kudos. In a photo world where subpar is the norm, it is hard to get noticed. And if I can actually get noticed by something I attempt to do rather than just posting up negative stuff on other people's recognition, I'm cool. ;)
This is my first time checking comments here, this is really enjoyable. I agree it's sad that some people are just negative, but hey, makes me totally happy for all the positive emails and likes I've received.
The loud ones are always the sad, depressed and negative ones. Fact of life. :)
As the other said, not the best, I do agree. But considering the conditions and the horrid lighting, they were fine.
As show photographers, we very rarely get full show access. The industry norm is 3 songs, which is what it was in the video. So I need to produce (depending on the media) from 6 to 25 usable images within 7 mins, in poor light, in a tight crowd. Images that are emotional, lack repetition.
Do I do this every night? Probably night 25. :)
Nope, out of the 6 other photographers there, 4 were up on the balcony and didnt brave the floor. I was down there with one other person shooting. No need to be schooled about etiquette, trust me on that one. ;)
And if you are worried about the fans, the ones there didnt mind... many were making room for me to actually work from, which is an odd thing that happens.
And not every show will give portfolio worthy shots. I totally agree, not my best.
lap777: He watched Jared Polin's videos? ;)
I've seen Jared do it, and I'm sure people did it before him. :) ... Jared was an amazing person a few years ago when I first started out in show photos. Heck, I was interviewed by him over Skype for one of my Montreal nighttime cityscape photos when he was much less popular than he is now.
The folks here would have to answer that, I just did this video for fun and to help some of my students see how things go in a live shoot :)
W5JCK - I was shooting video for the few days before... this was for fun. The point wasn't to record the show with a GoPro, but to record shooting a show. Any ideas how to do it differently, givnig someone a camera POV?
I'd love to have the newer GoPros that are higher quality, but alas, the life of a full time show photographer isn't one that pays much :)