StevenE: Micro 4/3 is a good sensor size for video since you often need a little more DOF in order to keep subjects in focus. But for photography it sucks. There are very few lens options to get truly shallow DOF on micro 4/3. A micro 4/3 25mm would have to be f/1.0 or better to be interesting for photography. Even a Canon Rebel with 35mm f/2 IS would be miles ahead of this at about the same price, and you have tons of options for other lenses
I don't own or use any m43...I'm just not an idiot that blindly repeats the same nonsense that convinced me to go with the format I eventually chose (which is 135 anyway, not that it matters).
pca7070: M43 lenses all have huge distortion, I bet this is no exception.
John, isn't it true that all m43 lenses (or the majority, at least) do indeed have a lot of distortion, but it's corrected even in the in camera processing to produce RAW output?
I don't own any m43, so I have no idea, but that's what I remember reading when I was considering getting into the system.
Wow, you're a special kind of delusional!
Drewpy: I have to agree, flap bags are ridiculous when you want to get to your camera. When I had my Nikon FM2 I used an Army medical bag which I bought at an Army Surplus store for 15.00. Now it's become a Think Tank bag and costs 100's of dollars. I bought a Derek Alexander 'top zip bag' in which I carry my E-M5 and 17 1.8 with an extra battery, SD card and micro cloth. There's side pockets for a small book and pad and pen also. That's all I use when I travel, 'easy-breezy'.
@Drewpy: Did you use an insert with that surplus bag? If so, what one? I have a perfectly good military bag that I'd like to eventually refit for camera duty (an FM2 or FE2 w/ lens plus another 1-2 primes and a few rolls of film...probably sliding an A5 notebook in beside).
This far, I've browsed around, but have yet to find an insert that seems like it'd do the job well.
Richard Franiec: I can see Kick starter as a tool for raising funds for charitable cause. Start ups should use their own money, take risks and enjoy the rewards. We have banks to provide funds. It is no longer 1990's when creation of $100M company took no more than the announcement.Or it is not?
So basically, "Don't innovate unless you can get the bank to fund you or you're independently wealthy."?
Drazen Stojcic Buntovnik: The only thing that's actually good about this camera is the 30 meter rating. Unfortunately, it's also completely pointless to rate a camera for 30 meter depth when it's lens and sensor can't capture anything worth saving at low light conditions that are present at 30 meters. I would never ever recommend this camera for scuba diving. Overall, I'm really disappointed that year after year manufactureres churn out these half-effort cameras. What this world needs is a Sony RX100 III with a 2.0 lens packed in a rugged case with 30m rating. With raw support. Then it would make sense.
While I normally roll my eyes at the comments here for any new camera that say "If this had (insert features list), I'd buy it." in this case I kinda get it.
For my waterproof compact needs I have an old Pentax WS80 that is still 70% the camera that this thing is. RAW is such a no-brainer for a rugged camera that I'm absolutely stymied it's not offered.
While the RX100-esque camera would be ideal (and I'd likely sell off all of my other compacts to fund that purchase), I'd even settle for a 1/1.7" or 2/3" (a la Fuji) sensor, full PASM controls, and a nice lens that was at least f/2 constant or f/1.4 at the wide end, and variable (like an LX7).
electrophoto: welcome to the plastic styled fake world. and another useless app that should bite the dust.
So by that logic, you're basically saying that any app that doesn't give exactly the results that you, personally, find attractive should "bite the dust"?
It helps achieve a look that many find attractive, regardless of your subjective tastes. That doesn't make it a bad app, just not for you.
And based on what we're seeing, you're in the minority when it comes to photographic tastes regarding skin smoothness.
Wye Photography: In the not to distance future...
Voice 1: If you move a little to the left the composition will be better.
Photog: Yeah! OK!
Voice 1: May I suggest Ansel Adams mode!
Voice 1: Your horizon is not quite straight.
Photog: Oh! OK!
Voice 1: Just wait until those people have move out of the frame.
Voice 1: Now is an optimal time to take the photo.
Photog: Fine! (taps shutter).
Voice 1: I think you have a really great photo there John.
Photog: (smiles to self).
This just may your photography in the next few years. Voice 1 of course is your camera. Camera51 may be a step in this direction. Do you want this scenario?
Now all I need is an app that says "Yeah OK" to this one, and can electronically trip the shutter...we're almost there!
PhotoKhan: This is SO funny...
Brands are so embroiled in competing at any cost that they actually end up cannibalizing their own line-ups most probably, because in glorious corporate tradition, groups of persons inside are more busy taking care of their own "clout" then actually looking for the company interests....and then comes a photography site diligently and engagingly trying to make sense of it all by deeply analyzing (mostly) non-existing differences.
...to say nothing of the commenters.
Mike_PEAT: It still has the same fault of other similar straps...it goes in front of the neck causing me to gag (I can't even wear a tie). Another company came up with a gadget to pull the strap away from your neck, but then it feels like you're wearing a bra. No thanks, I'll stick with the tried and true traditional neck strap which doesn't bother me at all, and it's FASTER to pull the camera up to a shooting position than the neck gaggers!!!
Sling straps gag you?
You may be strapping wrong.
Jogger: "a work owing its form to the forces of nature and lacking human authorship is not registrable." .. a lot of remote photography would apply to these.. e.g. those camera traps that are triggered by animals braking an infrared beam.
If ownership is dependent upon intent, and I accidentally drop my camera and it clicks a frame, I don't own it?
How can the photographer bringing his gear to the area to take pictures of monkeys not constitute intent to obtain pictures of monkeys? What if he'd specifically left his camera sit out to get the pictures?
Are you saying that because he didn't specifically intend to get that exact frame in those exact circumstances that he doesn't own the product of his equipment, effort, and presence?
So what if I set up my camera with a Triggertrap or something?
Are we saying that all bullet photography, and most photos of lightning and drops hitting liquid are not registrable?
drummercam: Mr. Slater owns the work. Once he saw what was happening and allowed the macaque to continue what it was doing, the macaque became a mere assistant. This is a shameless power grab by a huge organization with money to pay a slick lawyer to present a wholly specious argument if it comes down to a court case. Wikimedia should take the photo down, and Mr. Slater should pay the macaque a banana.
Pretty much where my train of thought led as well.
By Wikimedia's rationale, if a wildlife biologist fits a seal, shark, or whale with a camera, when they recover the footage they don't own it, but are rather stealing it from the animal.
My guess is that Wikimedia just wanted the threat of a protracted legal battle to intimidate him into giving them their way. Hopefully he gets his justice.
nerd2: Digital already surpasses film in every aspects (resolution, dynamic range, noise) and can closely simulate any film we had. I think we should ban film photography, just for environmental reasons.
I take it you're only considering the post-consumer waste if you're saying that, which totally ignores the environmental impact of the mining, petroleum industry, and chemical processes necessary to produce many electronic components.
That's like saying your double quarter pounder with cheese & a large fry is a healthy meal because you got a diet coke with it.
mandophoto: Presently, film stuff is but a fraction of the waste that goes into the environment. Consider the billions of plastic and electronic devices that are tossed yearly. Yeah, all this stuff should be recycled but.... it isn't. Film now is the least of our environmental concerns.
It's good and cool to keep film going (for a few more years anyway.)
"Also before you imagined your math. Have you looked at the links I have included in my previous post? Before your next reply, please educate yourself."
Not only that, but you could at least bother to get the math at least mathematically correct...0.1% of ten gallons is about 1.3 oz.
hydrospanner: I'm seriously considering going to iPhone after 4 years with Android products, but this phone might keep me around for another contract. If it's waterproof, and there's definite specs out before my contract is up in December, I may well hold off until its release.
If it's not waterproof, though, I'll get an iPhone 6 in December.
Hey man, whatever floats your boat. You're obviously atypical and myopic.
If all you care about in a phone is RAW capture in the camera, just get a camera and be done with it.
If you want a useful tool, steer clear of Windows phones, and deal with the horrible agony of being reduced to JPEG output and no more 20x30 prints of your masterful cell phone art.
If the lack of RAW on an iPhone is a dealbreaker for you, then I take it you just don't own a phone then.
I feel pretty confident not valuing your opinion on such matters going forward, so thanks for clearing that up.
Again, a few might like it, but the majority have no use for it. It's likely just a feature that, for the market, doesn't add appreciably to their sales figures.
RAW on a smartphone is like having a towing hitch on a Mini: doesn't necessarily create a drawback, but if you're really going to make use of the feature, then the device it's attached to is far from ideal.
Obviously, from your name, RAW means more than just about anything else, but I don't think most of the rest of us will be losing any sleep over lack of RAW on a phone.
Yeah, I don't want or need RAW for my mobile photo needs. I just want to snap, edit, and share.
Same with the card slot. I never swapped them out when I had them, and when I got my current phone which didn't have a removable card, I was skeptical, but I haven't missed it at all, so that's a non-issue for me as well.