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How much for a picture? Standard development of 0.6x 2M Ilford paper is not cheap:-(
Isn't it a standard X flash Hotshoe on the top? Sony finally ditched the awkward Minolta hotshoe, good move!
New style cues, nice!
I used to have the non-VR version of 24-85/3.5-4.5, super fast focus and sharp on D50. Wait to see how much better this VR update will be...
chiane: Am I the only one that doesn't want a camera that looks like it's from the '70's?
Actually, the name is not EM-5. It's E-M5. Seems more people got it wrong than right...
chiane: Am I the only one that doesn't want a camera that looks like it's from the '70's?
Neither do I. I like to old OM series look, and have owned one before. But this halfhearted 70s look is so fake...
BTW, what's the name? OM-D or EM-5? Pick one, not both, please?
My current Samsung core i7 6GB RAM 750GB 15.4 display laptop costs $600. Why can't Samsung makes a 2880x1800 screen?
attomole: Is't it about time Canon consolidated there DSLR camera name conventions word wide, why do they cary on with the rebel brand in the USA and Eos XXX branding in the ROW? we are all pretty much reading the same stuff these days, its just confusing.
Yes, I totally HATE the rebel naming. It's confusing and degrading. I have bought two rebels before and just can not stand the naming, so gave it away.
Halfdan Faber: Well, I decided to take the trouble and line up the ratings in an image editor, to attempt to extract the detailed figures. Below are my findings. I have used a uniformly weighted ranking of Poor=0 to Excellent=14. As others have noted, the D800 did indeed score slightly higher. DPR has responded to previous poster by stating that the scales have different starting points. If this is true then their ranking figures are deceptive. On the merit of the actual numbers, I would say that the rankings are not credible and the overall equal ranking appears to be a fabricated result.
_______________D800___5D Mk-III
Build Quality__10.0___11.0
Ergonomics_____11.0___11.0
Features_______9.35___9.70
Metering_______8.50___8.50
IQ Raw_________12.65__12.15
IQ JPG_________9.40___8.65
ISO Perf.______11.0___10.85
ViewF/Screen___13.0___13.0
Performance____7.6____8.9
Mobile/Video___10.0___9.0
Value__________9.0____8.0
TOTAL__________110.75_110.35
Average________10.14__10.07
Scaled_________82.0%__81.45%
When Phil started DPR, he used very objective methods to evaluate cameras and offer comparable measurements to readers in selecting a suitable camera. But this scoring is now becoming a math fiasco.
It not about bias against N or C, I am still using Canon and not going to switch soon. It's about a score that can not fit a common sense.
This comment section is keeping growing because DPR is not responding. DPR obviously made a math mistake and not admitting it.
While HF's calculation using equal weight, if DPR is using a weighted average, then IQ and ISO Perf sections would obviously carry more weight and D800 would score even higher.
I have been a Canon user for over 20 years, my first film SLR is Canon, my first DSLR is Canon, and my current gear is Canon, with over a dozen Canon glasses. I have followed DPR for many years, always believe DPR has the best unbiased reviews, until this 5D3.
DPR, your explanation of the scoring just not hold. I can understand the trade of FPS Speed vs MP, and I can overlook the $500 price difference. But you call 5D3 more featured than D800 just not hold. What about the build-in flash, which also commands slave? what about multi-format accepting DX lenses? The face-recognition AF, the superior metering from D4, and USB3? All these that 5D3 lacks, and with bad JPG.
I am not a C nor N fanboy, I am not worried about the scoring, which is just a number, and does not affect my purchase decision.
I am putting this because DPR lost my long time trust, and lost the high standard of unbiased journalism that I used to respect DPR with.
DPR, it's time to explain the scoring with evidence?
jenbenn: I have been a Canon shooter (currently 5d Mark II) all the way back to the analoge days. Still I am baffled by this rating. The Mark III has less dynamic range, worse shadow noise at low iso and similar high iso performance as the Nikon d800. Stilll it recieves the the same 82 % rating. Considering that feature wise both cameras are very close and the 5d mark III is about 500 Euros more expensive, I am truly lost. In particular since the d800 manages to achieve the samer or higher IQ as the Mark III with 14 additional MP.
Of course I will get the Mark III as an upgrade over my 5D Mark II but only because I am used to the canon user interface and I can continue using my lenses.
Barney, why don't you tell us what the formula and sectional scores were to reach the final score for the two cameras? So all questions about unfair scoring will stop.
Jonathan F/2: Dpreview scores are definitely tainted. The D800 and 5Dm3 get the same score? So despite having 36mp and being $500 USD cheaper, you guys feel the 5D mark III is equal to the D800? The cons for the D800 are more like niggles, while the cons for the 5Dm3 are issues of concern. And even stated on the 5Dm3 review itself "Scoring is relative only to the other cameras in the same category." Yeah right.
DPR has a tradition of awarding equal scores to the top C & N bodies. Both 1Dmk4 and D3s got 89% two years ago.
snowboarder: Seriously? Both D800 and 5D III - 82% Gold
Great job, POLITICALLY CORRECT :(
I am about to say the same thing. Now C&N is a politically sensitive issue...
I got my brand new FA50/1.4 for $200 :-)
I remember the Nikon FA was the camera to won that award in 1984. The D800 has a lot like FA, a pioneer in technology and user friendliness, at an affordable price.
Viramati: Some of the reviewers here seem to really have little real experience of using the M9. for example changing iso is so easy.
1 press iso button
2. turn thumb-wheel
3. iso is changed
Couldn't be simpler
the leica must have the easiest and most uncluttered menu system of any digital camera I know
Last time I checked, my 3 year old Canon also has similar iso button, so not as easy as $9000 Leica?
Nikon is kicking Canon's butt in all directions:-) Keep going, Nikon!!!
Just missed the Henry's sale price of $750 for 85mm and $400 for 60mm :-(
Same price as a D800. Better video?
If Canon put 4K on a 5D3 and sell it for $4K, it will hot like D800.