illiterate: Have dpreview contacted Canon about the slow 1fps RAW performance? It is 2014, such slow performance is no way by design, it is a bug, a defect, that Canon need to address.
It's not a bug, Canon's compact division has not gotten the memo that 1 fps shooting is a bit behind acceptable. Just a bit. It's the number one reason I won't buy this camera.
compare results to any Panasonic, very similar despite being APS-C
Ugh, accd'g to Camera Labs, 1.35 fps continuous RAW shooting. Deal breaker.
Note: this photo has been edited in Lightroom to show the banding very clearly. The original photo is extremely dark and the bands are not nearly as obvious.
ThePhilips: DPR, do you have any "agents" in the Europe?
I'd love to see indoors shots with the cam - with the 50Hz mains, and hopefully different kind of bulbs.
In Germany, e-shutter on my GX7 is useless due to the banding with the fluorescent and halogen lights. Haven't tried the LED lights, but they are still rare novelty. But fluorescent (energy saving) lights are literally everywhere.
Are you sure it's the e-shutter that is the culprit? I have a GM1 and noticed banding in some low light photos. But I discovered it's a flaw in the 20mm f/1.7 lens. I returned the 20mm f/1.7 and have never encountered the issue again.
Is this the kind of banding you're talking about?
(Note: exposure/shadows are turned up drastically in Lightroom to show the banding very clearly, the original photo is not this bad)
Sabatia: Its obvious from many of the comments below that too many commenters are comparing this to the or their GX7, EM1/5/10, etc. What makes this camera special is not its image quality--which is right up there--not its evf, not its flash or lack thereof, not its .... No, it is its weight and its size, both of which are groundbreaking in an interchangeable lens camera with a decent size sensor and any sort of evf. I know from having a GM1 that the image quality of the GM5 will allow me to make 17x22 professional-quality prints on my Epson 3880.
Combined with the 12-32 lens, which is the lightest zoom lens for any camera I am aware of and which is capable of taking excellent quality shots and which goes meaningfully wider than 14-xx zooms, you have a superlight highly capable kit perfect for mountain climbing, skiing and discreet travel and street shooting alike.
For me this is all about my back, and my shoulders, and my feet--and my eyes!
@aris14 No!!! The true measure of a photographer is how adept one is at manipulating one's equipment! I don't want to put out great photos, I want to fiddle with knobs. I want to show how "pro" I am by talking about technical specs. Who cares that all my photos are boring? Oh wait, no one knows that, because even though I talk on DPR all the time, I don't even have any photos to show! But it doesn't matter, all the boring photos on my hard drive are state of the art. I meticulously chose f/3.5 instead of f/2.8 to shoot the ceramic frog in my bathroom so it would be sharper from corner to corner. What is this crazy amateur talk about putting out interesting photos?!
On a more serious note: Print on paper? You can do that with photos? :)
junk1: Is the e-shutter OK outdoors - no image issues such as tearing?
1/500s is not ideal for taking pictures from a vibrating and moving platform (R/C airplane). Otherwise this camera would be ideal.
The Oly PM2 is a lot cheaper and "small enough".
@junk1 I have the GM1. When using the e-shutter in a continuous burst, there are times when you can notice one of the shots is slightly skewed. It's very slight though. If you only had that single shot, you would usually not even notice, but when browsing from photo to photo, it's obvious. As you pointed out, this mainly occurs outdoors in bright light when faster than 1/500 becomes necessary. I would not trade my GM for any camera on the market right now, but if you're shooting from a r/c airplane, you might notice e-shutter issues more often.
I have the GM1 and love it. The EVF and better controls are both welcomed. To make the GM perfect I'd ask for:
Image stabilization: Just a little for manual focus situations, which right now, can be a shaky proposition.
Auto-ISO in manual mode. Every camera should have this. I set aperture for DOF and shutter speed for the situation, but as long as it's not too dark, I'll take whatever ISO. Also, show the change in Auto-ISO as you change other settings. For example, in dark situations, with the aperture wide open, it's VERY useful to see what shutter speeds begin to give you acceptable ISO.
A 180 flip screen. Be a snob if you like, but I take photos of my life and I'm in my life. From my photos, you'd never know it. My friends can't take a decent photo.
In camera RAW processing would be nice, but not a requirement for me.
Finally, bring back the black and silver version. The all black version is fine, I can't stand the red. The love the classic black and silver.
uzevla: Seriously, what's this trend with using low-end EVFs just to satisfy some "pro" wannabees ?0.46x magnification and 1.1K dots - who needs that ?
Compact camera like this one needs good LCD. 3.3" would be good, yet they gave us 16:9 LCD which is more like 2.5". Hopefully, they didn't do what Sony is doing as their 921K 16:9 LCD on Nex6 is extremely dim - Samsung OLED w/ 230K looks better than that.
On top of this, flash sync speed stays 1/50.
Who is buying this crap ?
@technic yep, I have the GM1, that's all I need from an EVF
chj: Does it have auto iso in manual mode?
Yep, love the GM1. The better control wheel and evf are both welcome improvements, but not enough to trigger another purchase. Auto-iso in manual and image stabilization would. If they also added a 180 flip screen, it would really have everything.
I'm not sure why they ditched the Fn button though, I re-assigned it to lock the focus point, I use it all the time.
Paul Rumohr: These blow away the LX100- just blow them away.
The body and lens combos may cost more, but since neither are pants pocketable and both are probably going to go in a bag or a jacket pocket, I would save extra pennies for the GM5.
Panasonic, you don't totally suck right now to me as a brand.
I have a GM1, the touchscreen AF is its strongest asset. I was very interested in the LX100 until I found out it doesn't have a touchscreen. It's a huge omission. I'm expecting the next version to correct this omission, so no reason to buy this version.
Glad to see they stiffened up the physical controls in the GM5. It was definitely the GM1's main weakness. Not enough of an improvement to justify trading in my GM1, but if I didn't already own a GM1, I would buy the GM5 over the LX100 for the touchscreen alone.
(To Panasonic: Auto-iso in manual mode and a bit of image stabilization in the next GM camera WOULD justify trading in my GM1.)
RichRMA: I don't know. The Olympus E-M10 is cheaper and IMO, a better camera. A used Olympus E-M5 body is only about $500.00. Unless each last mm reduction in size is vitally important, it seems on the high side for nearly $900.00.
Panasonic autofocus is better, especially in low light. If you like catching spontaneous moments, it's hard to beat the Panasonic GM5/GM1/GX7, no matter how much you pay.
I can't be the only one that wants this:35-85mm equivalent with f/1.8 available at 85mm, make it as portable as possible.
Bah, looks like AF/continuous shooting is terrible. I guess I'm still waiting for the perfect pocket camera.
great street shots
Great shot, great set. For me it's the most interesting set of sample photos on DPR that I can remember. I like to shoot dynamic motion and very few sample sets provide any indication of how well a camera performs for such shots. But regardless of camera performance, these kinds of photos are simply the kind I love to see.
Barretlight: OK now who would shoot this at ISO 12800? A real life example would be to shoot wide open at a normal eg. 1/30 sec shutter speed at an ISO no more than 3200.
but it does help you see what kind of quality you could expect if you needed 1/160 in a bar setting, i.e. dancing.
photo perzon: More Panasonic jpeg skin colors?
@zos xavius I don't know about JPG's, but one of the first things I noticed when getting my Panasonic GM1 was how much better the RAW color was versus my previous brand. Just a simple white balance adjustment often gets the majority of the color adjustment you need. I've always loved Leica color and it looks like Panasonic cameras have inherited a bit of it.
I've been asking for shutter speed control for the longest time and now it's finally here. We can shoot indoors without a flash at faster than 1/8s now! I haven't tried Manual Cam, but it works well on Camera+ and makes a big difference in many situations.
chj: Finally APS-C touchscreen with good autofocus!!!! Hallelujah, did it really have to take this long? I held off on buying a camera for so long because I figured Sony's next good mirrorless would surely be touchscreen. Model after model, they disappointed me. This was the camera I was waiting for. Unfortunately for Sony, I lost patience, bought the Panasonic GM1 and invested in m4/3rds lenses. (I freakin' love the GM1). Too slow Sony, now get a touchscreen on the RX100 before the competition beats you to it again.
"Too slow Sony, now get a touchscreen on the RX100 before the competition beats you to it again."
Um, too late, Canon beat you to it.