chj: Finally APS-C touchscreen with good autofocus!!!! Hallelujah, did it really have to take this long? I held off on buying a camera for so long because I figured Sony's next good mirrorless would surely be touchscreen. Model after model, they disappointed me. This was the camera I was waiting for. Unfortunately for Sony, I lost patience, bought the Panasonic GM1 and invested in m4/3rds lenses. (I freakin' love the GM1). Too slow Sony, now get a touchscreen on the RX100 before the competition beats you to it again.
Yes everyone I did know those models had touchscreens, but as Dave Andrade said, not with good autofocus.
And Rob Sims, the GM1 does not lack in AF speed. As far as I've read and experienced, it's the leader of the pack, especially in low light. As far as image quality goes, of course an APC has an advantage over M4/3rds. That's why this Sony would have been my camera, if I hadn't already invested in a GM1.
Finally APS-C touchscreen with good autofocus!!!! Hallelujah, did it really have to take this long? I held off on buying a camera for so long because I figured Sony's next good mirrorless would surely be touchscreen. Model after model, they disappointed me. This was the camera I was waiting for. Unfortunately for Sony, I lost patience, bought the Panasonic GM1 and invested in m4/3rds lenses. (I freakin' love the GM1). Too slow Sony, now get a touchscreen on the RX100 before the competition beats you to it again.
VadymA: 202.02(b) Human author.The term "authorship" implies that, for a work to be copyrightable, it must owe its origin to a human being. Materials produced solely by nature, by plants, or by animals are not copyrightable.
How hard it is to trace the origin of the monkey's pictures to a human being after all that work the photographer has done to make it happen (planning and making a trip, living with the tribe, gaining their trust, letting them play with equipment, bringing the pictures back, processing them)? Who if not Mr. Slater is the author of those highly original pictures?How can someone claim that they were produced SOLELY BY NATUTE, BY PLANTS, or BY ANIMALS?
Excellent points. The origin of the photo is definitely owed to a human being. Regardless of the fact that the monkey was holding the camera at the time. The photo would never have been produced without all the conditions the human set up, including retrieving the camera and converting the data into an image. The monkey held a camera. The photographer produced a photo.
OliverGlass: Any photographer/artist doing something creative and showing something different is way better than the armchair critic who has no work to show.
@The Name is Bond That's your criteria? Something USEFUL?
FYI one could say ALL art is pointless. That's why it's art, it's made to be appreciated, not to be USEFUL. A painting won't get you to work, a novel won't cook your food, a song can't put a roof over your head. Is the Mona Lisa "useful"? Is watching "Romeo and Juliet" useful?
A map is useful, so should I start taking aerial photos as my "art"? That would be useful right? Would it satisfy your criteria for what photographers should do?
The Name is Bond: Gimmickry, not photography.
"Gimmickry, not photography"
And if you were alive when the camera first came out, you would have said, "gimmickry, not a real painter". The artist probably doesn't care if it's considered "photography" by you or anyone else. Newsflash: creative artists probably shouldn't spend time worrying if their work conforms to definitions set by others.
For all the repeated post processing critics:If you're not post processing, you're lazy. If it doesn't improve your photos, you're without skill. So the only people that criticize well done post processing are those that are: 1) lazy, 2) without skill, 3) both.
chj: Does Sony not know how to make a touchscreen? Otherwise this looks to be an ideal street camera.
The touchscreen adversity always cracks me up. Yes, street photography was done for 100 years with varying levels of gear. That's certainly no reason to stick with what they used 100 years ago. CUZ THOSE CAMERAS SUCK BY TODAY'S STANDARD. If you don't realize what a HUGE advantage a touchscreen is for street photography, then you don't take street photos, you've never used a good camera with a touchscreen, or both. I can get a shot, as it happens, in perfect focus, SO much faster than anything you have (unless you have a GM1/GX7 also). And it will be framed just the way I wanted it, instantly. If you want to play with knobs and dials, then I guess you don't want a touchscreen. I wanna get shots.
Bervilat: If possible, I would like to make a request: photos of people in the pub, at high ISOs, with and without flash. You know, typical social pics when you take the camera to have a beer. Also, it would be cool to have it compared to a pic taken with a cellphone in this low light conditions, just for fun.
Nice pics BTW, I'm really enjoying this review.
I've been asking for low light, high iso people shots forever. While some at DPR care about the smallest details, whether or not a camera can get good shots of people (in motion) in low light is a CRITICAL test and a test many cameras/lenses will fail. Actually, all I'm interested in is just how well this camera can take bar shots.
Why does every camera not have this?!?! It drives me nuts, I would use this mode all the time:
"one significant change is that you can now use Auto ISO when in Manual mode - effectively creating a Pentax-esque 'Shutter and Aperture Priority' mode. This is a fully functioning exposure mode in its own right, since it's possible to apply exposure compensation"
Does Sony not know how to make a touchscreen? Otherwise this looks to be an ideal street camera.
michael345: The Panasonic GM1 and 12-32mm lens is available since Nov 2013. Basically, there almost no reason to buy the Q7 any longer (except that its a little cheaper).
The GM1 is
- smallerCamera size is almost equal, but Panasonic lens is smaller. Angle of view of the lenses is also very similar (24-64 vs. 23-69mm eqivalent). See also this: http://j.mp/J5muuC (shortlink to camerasize)
- the gm1 has much (!) better image quality
- Prices do not differ very much (ca. 450€ Q7 vs. 670€ for GM1 are the cheapest I could find in Germany, both with lens)
- MFT System offers many more lenses, if you want to change it
@DrugaRunda It's MUCH more than a single stop difference. What ISO can you realistically use with a 1/1.7 sensor? I've never used a Q7, but the review mentions quality starts dropping considerably at ISO 800, which was about the same with my S100, also a 1/1.7 sensor.
The GM1 with its m4/3rds sensor can easily go to 1600. At ISO 2500-3200 your Q7 looks like TOTAL CRAP, admit it. M4/3rds will be fine.
Roland Karlsson: A little bit too expensive. Moreover, I have a hard time finding Pentax Q at all in Swedish shops. That is a bad omen. Buying into a system that might be obsolete any day does not seem clever.
I have a feeling this bundle is the Q7's dying breath.
Artistico: Seems such a waste to put good lenses on a sensor that is so small. At least the pixel count is more correct for the sensor size than some other compacts out there. It looks nice - in a miniaturised kind of way - but once you add the inconvenience of having to change lenses, you might as well get something like a Panasonic GM1 instead.
To be perfectly honest, if the GM1 hadn't come along, I'd have seriously considered this kit, though. I'm not sure exactly what it is about it, but I do like Pentax stuff.
Well I'll agree that the wheel in the back of the GM1 is ridiculous. I doubt anyone with a GM1 will disagree with you. However, I got the GM1 after using a Canon PowerShot S100. Like the Q7, the S100 has a 1/1.7 sensor and it handles much better than the GM1. At first, the GM1's controls were quite a letdown compared to the S100.
But I have never used the S100 once since getting the GM1. I have never even thought of it. The IQ is not even close. I'm no pixel peeper, I'm talking about very basic IQ. In any kind of low light, a 1/1.7 sensor immediately begins to struggle to maintain fast shutter speed and/or low ISO.
For around $1200, I'd much rather have a GM1 and Leica 25mm f/1.4, which is an amazing lens. (The GM1 kit lens is also included in that price.)
Al the photos are great. For those criticizing the processing, post processing is necessary. If you're not doing it, you're lazy. If you're not good at it, you're lacking necessary skills.
spidercho: The electronic shutter has problem at luminescent light.The image gets dark and light lines/areas as when you shoot at a CRT screen.I have this problem with G5 and with GM1. In the second case/camera it's fatal, because of real shutter 1/800 limitation. That's why I didn't buy one.
Does Panasonic knows about this issue? Do they care?
I agree the mechanical shutter limitation is a drawback but it can be worked around by using a filter in bright light.
Provia_fan: I agree with so many of you. That's exactly what Bresson, Winogrand, Gilden, Eggleston used to say. They packed their cameras and went home saying "Poor phase detection, no face detection and no touchable screen, no HDR mode, EVF too small and too big....can't shoot!" Because they depended on all these things, that's how they built their careers. :P
@kewlguy I doubt you'll be able to get this up close and personal at Madison Square gardenhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/djpoe/12969546044/http://www.flickr.com/photos/djpoe/12880576074/http://www.flickr.com/photos/djpoe/12903572823/
chj: As I said before, at night with the 20mm/f1.7, the GM1 is a great camera, but with the slow kit lens, my Canon S100 outperforms it.
But I'm going to qualify my review again. After a few nights with the GM1/20mm, I'll say it's the BEST camera/lens for going out at night. Many reviews have mentioned, it focuses in low light better than any other. Add the touchscreen focusing and intelligent ISO and capturing shots is incredibly fast and discreet. Good luck getting candid shots with a viewfinder in a restaurant/bar. The second you put it to your eye, your subject will break into a smile and pose. You can also eat, drink and dance with the GM1+neckstrap ready for the next shot.
The 20mm (40mm eq) will shoot your date across the table and the person across the room. With the fast aperture, there is no flash needed. The GM1+20mm allows everyone (including you) to enjoy the evening and taking photos never gets in the way.
@nerkdergler, lol, it's really so small that it may be the only camera you'd be willing to hit the dance floor with that can actually get a decent shot. I really have done it, but it was too cold for Bermuda shorts ;D
Although it sounds geeky, the camera actually got a positive reaction, people were TRYING to get me to shoot them.http://www.flickr.com/photos/chee917/12145324834/http://www.flickr.com/photos/chee917/12164982875/http://www.flickr.com/photos/chee917/12127474036/
deechnz: Just tried out the constant preview on my newly arrived GM1. When set to "on" and I change either aperture or SS, there is a clicking noise which sounds like it's coming from the lens. Do other people also find this? Is it some mechanism necessary to create the constant preview each time I change an exposure setting? Is it creating extra wear on the camera which it otherwise wouldn't if I didn't turn constant preview on?
yes the clicking noise happens when you use manual mode with constant preview
chj: Custom colors, not interested (they look great in black and silver as it is). But touchscreen would trigger a purchase. Offer what matters please.
Addendum: By between the legs of a passenger, I mean getting an angle that captures someone further down the train. I re-read the previous post and realized it could be interpreted the wrong way.
Probably because you haven't used a touchscreen much. It's an amazing tool, especially with a capable camera. The association with bad phone photography or a misguided loyalty to old ways is clouding your judgment against some major advantages of touchscreen AF.
I see you shoot street photos. Try a good camera with touchscreen AF. It's SO fast and SO discreet. You see it, you shoot it. Right now, admit it, you're missing moments that could have been a great street shot. With touchscreen AF, you'll quickly realize there are many shots you would have missed with a viewfinder, focus and recompose, pre-focusing, and/or using a four way controller to choose your focus point.
With touchscreen AF? Touch the screen, press the shutter, got it. From any angle; on the floor, arms length above your head, between the legs of another passenger on a crowded subway. Crouch down with a viewfinder for the same angle and you'll get smacked quickly.