AngryCorgi: As usual, Canon puts out another camera that get's spanked by a 4-year-old Nikon in the IQ department. When will they think about either (a) purchasing Sony's sensors or (b) partnering with Sony in some way to improve their sensors to be competitive with what Sony has been producing for more than half a decade??
@Rishi: Let's agree to diasagree... you can say "updated" and I'll stick with "warmed over" Nikon AF. Bottom line, Nikon still call the D810 ad D4s AF module CAM 3500FX.
As far as things that need improvement in the AF module, certainly more cross type AF points and wider AF cross type spread are at the top of the list. But beyond that, Nikon has had long term issues with reproducible AF using fast glass wide open with high density sensors that beg for tighter tolerances. As far a forward looking designs, ideas include allowing users to calibrate individual AF points separately, allowing users to save different AF offsets for various zoom lens positions, allowing users to save different AF offsets for focus shift, allowing users to save different AF offsets for lighting. Ultimately Nikon needs pro-level PDAF on sensor to move to mirrorless.
PDAF is hardly a "finished" technology.
@Jim Keye - Sorry, CAM 3500FX with 51 AF points came out in 2007. It's 2014 now which makes it 7 years of basically the same AF. Note that I did acknowledge they've warmed it over, but significantly advanced it not. You can even argue that the D800's AF was a step backward from the D700 AF.
How funny... Canon's sensors are 4 years behind Nikon and Nikon's bodies, with their warmed over 2007-era AF systems, are seven years behind Canon's. In fairness, without Sony sensors it is Nikon who would be way behind Canon. Woe be Nikon should Canon use Sony sensors some day just as Apple learned to use Intel processors.
Off topic but who is who here? Maybe next time we don't choose a body double as guest photographer, haha? Jordan and Barney remind me of a certain couple I know! :D
jhinkey: The most disappointing thing is that Nikon, with it's limited resources, spent time and $$ developing the gold-adorned Nikon Df. If Nikon thinks that much of the Df then they are truly in trouble as a company.
Really? Don't get me wrong, I love my D700 and D200 but Nikon has had terrible QC issues in two of the last three years with the D800 Left AF and D600 dust issue. They've released a series of crippled FX camera bodies which many Nikon users continue to slag to this date (witness this thread). And they've hardly improved AF, firmware, or DSLR technology in seven years. The only "best tech" thing about Nikon is the new Sony sensors inside their rapidly aging shells... the rest is pure 2007 era iteration.
Peiasdf: Hey, when did you photographed me wife? How come I did not know this? :D
Do you think the hair can be lighter if she is standing under the sun and you used a reflector / flash as fill light?
Who said I was married to her? She's just having my baby. ;-)
Haha. Did you know she was pregnant too? Don't spend so much time behind the camera if not. lol.
plasnu: Am I the only one who prefer the color of before calibration?
Agreed. In these particular examples and with the authors measured color profiles I also prefer his "before" renditions.
Can this really be ISO 400? Viewed at 100% original size the skin of the primary subjects looks waxy and plastic even while there is as significant grain in the OOF bokeh areas.
fPrime: I have to chuckle at the introduction... "The camera will be on display at the CES trade show, so we'll try to get some pictures of it, as soon as we can."
Can't wait to see the pictures of it, DPR! What are the odds that it will look exactly like a D4?
Thanks for the links to the pictures, Martin. The D4s looks exactly like the D4 as expected but your sarcasm meter might be slightly off. lol. ;-)
I have to chuckle at the introduction... "The camera will be on display at the CES trade show, so we'll try to get some pictures of it, as soon as we can."
Thanks, but pretty limited as a comparator without D4 images to look at alongside. I'd imagine the pixel peepers want to verify the Df sensor delivers exactly the same performance as the D4.
Speaking of image comparators, a select group of classic cameras from each camera company ought to be reshot with this new studio scene. I'd personally like to see the D700 and D200 added for Nikon. Any plans?
fPrime: OMG... Did Dpreview actually admit here that the D600 has a sensor oil/dust issue? And all it took was a incremental model number change by Nikon! Imagine if Nikon had released a D810 as well... Dpreview might have also had the guts to finally acknowledge the Left AF focusing defect instead of hiding their heads in the sand for a year.
We know that Dpreview belatedly mentions the D600 oil/dust issue ad nauseum here, Sandy... that wasn't the point.
What we are saying is that Dpreview failed to also test/report on the D800 Left AF quality control issue in the absence of the launch of a putatively "fixed" D810. Does it really take a company press release or product launch to prompt any acknowledgement of post launch user problems by Dpreview?
OMG... Did Dpreview actually admit here that the D600 has a sensor oil/dust issue? And all it took was a incremental model number change by Nikon! Imagine if Nikon had released a D810 as well... Dpreview might have also had the guts to finally acknowledge the Left AF focusing defect instead of hiding their heads in the sand for a year.