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EnsitMike: We don't like it, we LOVE it. We love the yet to come pro version too! :P
If you think about it though... its only $550. The lens is $250 on it's own. $550 seems like a fantastic price to me.
I agree about the EVF though, you're right.
@zzapamiga -- you're onto me... I am a Canon fan boy... but I have a huge set of L glass and just knowing that I can throw my primes on this makes me feel better. I'm quite content with the 22mm though. There are samples online and the IQ is jaw dropping. I already pre-ordered this, though I will be crossing my fingers for a pro model.
EnsitMike: We don't like it, we LOVE it. We love the yet to come pro version too! :P
It is the base model... of course. You're forgetting that the base consumer has really "boring" necessities, and this is way more powerful than the average consumer needs, regardless.
It is counter-intuitive for anyone with a business mind to start a consumer product line with a pro model. This marks Canons leap into the field which is the best part of this release. Just hold tight and see what Canon does in the future now that they will have capital to invest into their mirrorless research&development.
We don't like it, we LOVE it. We love the yet to come pro version too! :P
Hey... did everyone here about the Canon EOS-M that just came out?!
wait...what's a Lytro? ;D haha
Nishi Drew: Seeing how the images appear to be of unfinished versions, were these put up in rush as Kipon now fears these won't sell as there's now an EOS-M ?
@Plastek
You've got to be kidding me.... $200 for a full-functioned electronic lens adapter. Canon's is cheaper than some that don't even have built in AF, Aperture, or IS compatibility.
I pre-ordered mine without even pausing because of price.
Everyone, keep in mind how business works. This is their "entry" into the market, and this should and does very well reflect that. They have to phase out their other lineups, like the G1X. This entry camera is going to give their mirrorless sector independent CAPITAL, which will fund an explosion of development for this EOS-M line.
Just wait ;] this is business
sj2: Lots of opinions and lots of people seem to think a camera should be everything to all people. No one camera will ever do that. It is a tool with specific application in mind.
To my mind, unless you are new in the market and have no lens/system, comparison with other brands makes little sense. I have been down the path of owing two systems and did not work.
Lenses are the real investment so to me, makes sense to build a good lens line-up that you enjoy working with. Then fit bodies around your lenses. And that what I like about this little fella.
I can pack it in my bag with the primary Canon dSLR body and lens and when I don't want to lug around the primary body, this little guy comes out and does the job.
Going to sell my m4/3 body and lens now. m4/3 vendors have simply wasted too much time with mediocre lens. If you are new buyer with no existing setup then Sony and Pentax seem like good alternatives except Sony's lack of lens. Nikon with a sub-APSC is a competition?
agray88 They are not vapor lenses, the Canon Japan website has full res samples up and they blew my mind. Canon is going to gain momentum and blow everyone out of the water as they phase out the G1X and move pro-sumer compacts to the M line. You stand by your small sensors all you want ;]
RichardBlaney: I went through all the comments and everyone is just talking about missing viewfinder, ibis or price or whatever, no one talks about lenses and image quality. If sensor is up to expectation this camera will be at least on par with N5 and N7, so, if this 22mm pancake is decent will make a better combo simply because no one realizes that Sony 16mm pancake simply sucks! So you can have a wonderful N7 with your viewfinder and all that geeky cool stuff but then your pictures will suck because that 16mm is barely usable.
On top of this we have to consider that this is Canon, so 10 years from now there will be a lot of EF-M lenses, a huge used market and a lot of new cameras, why? Because it has always been like this with Canon. Regarding other brands, except for Sony and Nikon who can say this? Olympus may not even exist 10 years from now.
So, imho this camera and the EF-M lenses are a good long term investment, and, as always, launch price means nothing, lets see 3 months after launch.
There are full resolution shots from the EOS-M on the Canon Japan website, and they are stunning. The 22mm is tack sharp. The image quality isn't a question anymore, it is a fact.
avgcitizen: From my perspective if I can't put it in my pocket and it doesn't have a real viewfinder (optical or electronic) then I might as well have the real thing = DSLR.
As a long time Canon loyalist, this is the last straw...I will go with Sony or micro 4/3rds for my next purchase...especially since my S90 broke (EOS is OK tho)...
Canon has been falling behind the curve for some time now with it's reactionary, non-innovative religion. Buh bye now...
How is the Sony any more pocketable? Look at the comparison shot below. Looks like you cheated yourself out of your own straws, not Canon. haha
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1251306/eos_m_nex_560.jpg
sdyue: This is just the basic model
Exhibits all the shortcomings of all basic mirrorless (aka: m43 & NEX)
Definitely proves all mirrorless are more 'entry level' than anything else
As soon as any version is 'prosumer', it's starts to gain greater ergonomic improvement at the price of compactness (witness the bigger m43 on the high end as well as NEX (7), they're all very 'un-pocketable' at that point)
Nothing wrong with being relatively 'un-pocketable' yet lens-option-flexible
It may suit some more than others
Personally, I prefer a larger more ergonomic body of a PowerShot G1X, but instead, a Pro1X(?) version, where it may be a wider faster 24mm FOV (35mm equivalent) lens?
When Canon comes out later with a a prosumer EOS-M-X, that will more likely be better ergonomically like the G1X is now
If in the meantime given limited EF-M lenses, the adaptable EF-S 15-85mm (24-136mm FOV) is the only option I would want if having an APS-C Canon sensor, except, if they come out with an EF-M 15-85
Yet their "basic model" sports a 18megapixel CMOS APS-C censor, Digic 5 processor, and the most intuitive and user friendly touch-screen available. Quite a break into the market.
Of course it's basic though... starting with a pro model would be counter-intuitive to any business-minded person.
jackpro: Interesting camera, no viewfinder option? well a hotshoe mount will do fine thanks. The 22mm f2 could be promising, lens hood?
There is a lens hood available for both lenses
EnsitMike: I think the problem Kate gets herself into is labeling what is of intrinisc value within photography. She has placed a value on the essence of time within an image and it's truthful representation of reality, while another may put the value of an image within the creative interpretation of reality.
A distortion of reality is often the very reason people find intrigue within creative art, though the initial feeling of assault from this straying from the norm has been striking people as offensive for ages.
Every movement in art has it's critics, though we come to find that every step just adds to a beautiful history of the art itself. While we may look back one day and recognize that we, very much, distroted 'reality,' we will also be able to recognize the great emotion conveyed through color and tone to exagerate the visual experience and guide it in a creative direction.
It absolutely qualifies. Retrograde is a social movement that is greatly supported by historical logic in being a psychological reaction to denying the current status of progression. This movement moves beyond aesthetics and Pabst Blue Ribbon.
I think the problem Kate gets herself into is labeling what is of intrinisc value within photography. She has placed a value on the essence of time within an image and it's truthful representation of reality, while another may put the value of an image within the creative interpretation of reality.
A distortion of reality is often the very reason people find intrigue within creative art, though the initial feeling of assault from this straying from the norm has been striking people as offensive for ages.
Every movement in art has it's critics, though we come to find that every step just adds to a beautiful history of the art itself. While we may look back one day and recognize that we, very much, distroted 'reality,' we will also be able to recognize the great emotion conveyed through color and tone to exagerate the visual experience and guide it in a creative direction.