dickg1: If Panasonic thinks this camera is going to seriously compete with the Canon S110 in attracting the "enthusiast" crowd, they screwed up big time!
In my mind, the feature that sets the Canon S110 apart from the majority of its peers is a 24mm wide end.
I recently sold my S95 and bought the S110 for just that reason. I'd much rather give up a 200mm long end to get a 24mm wide angle. The difference between 24mm & 28mm is much greater than the diffeence between 120mm and 200mm.
dickg1
marike "4mm is greater than 80mm? No it's not. Need a slightly wider FOV, you can always stitch two images together" Not seriously, but you can always crop a 120 mm picture and get the 200 mm perspective, accepting the loss of resolution - you can't do that with a 28 vs 24 mm. But otherwise I agree that - from my usage - 200 vs 120 is more often preferable than 24 vs 28.
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iudex: Another barrier broken: an EVF in an enthusiast compact. This alone is great. Of course the 200k EVF is far from good one, however it is still 100% VF and this alone makes it far more useful than 75-80% OVF on G15 & co. So kudos to Panasonic for doing what many have asked for.
Exactly, and one wonders why no camera maker had this idea before, instead always competing in segments with almost the same feature set. Looks like this could finally be a replacement for my Canon A720. Maybe some day we'll even see a lens starting at 24 mm in a pocketable camera with a viewfinder.
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Posted on Apr 24, 2013 at 09:44:02 UTC
I dont buy the "unexpectedly", either it was completely staged, or the photographer influenced the situation, in whatever direction, by pointing a camera at the man. Domestic violence is a serious problem, if this report brought it to more attention, kudos for that. But with regard to human beings in media, we always should keep in mind that there is no such thing as an objective view.
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Posted on Mar 19, 2013 at 11:20:27 UTC
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Hmm, I don't understand the sense of this digicam category (like S110), given the latest fast-lens offerings. If one wants better low light perfromance/IQ - why not make a real step to faster lenses, like XZ-1/2 or G15? These also fit well into a jacket pocket.
If smaller, lighter and cheaper variants of 1/1,7" sensors make sense, then it would be with more zoom range, i.e. 28-200 but smaller aperture as the P-7700.
BTW I am currently discovering Marseille with a Canon A720 that I got at ebay after having sold an A710 there years ago :) The IQ is really good (8 Mpx), it offers 35-210 zoom range AND an optical viewfinder AND fits into a pocket. Pfff...
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Posted on Mar 12, 2013 at 15:56:07 UTC
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jaykumarr: I am not very confident that Fuji's efforts in research and development and inventions are very fruitful in their end product due to poor quality control. White Orb Issues, Too much CAs, jpeg artifacts, soft except for "cluster line patterns" in photos are sporadically present in Fuji cameras. But, though inferior in spec. sheet Panasonic, Canon cameras deliver better output.
I hope/drool fuji delivers good output overall and nail the coffin of other bridge cameras. But I insist fuji to concentrate more in output quality than the fantasies of out of world inventions.
For more hands-on information you might want to learn japan. Or, if the features you ask are so obvioius, motivate competitors to jump in the gap.
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Posted on Mar 12, 2013 at 15:21:42 UTC
mpgxsvcd: Can someone remind me why an average consumer needs a 1000mm lens? This just seems like an exercise in seeing how big a lens you can fit on a small sensor camera.
I would much rather see a smaller zoom range and an F2.8 lens throughout. The Panasonic FZ200 is a much much better choice.
An _average_ consumer would rarely need more than 300 mm - so why invest in the size of a bridge cam in the first place?
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Posted on Mar 12, 2013 at 15:13:09 UTC
Amadou Diallo: Some interesting comments around the choice between intervention and documentation. Arguments for both sides, obviously. But the comments about the scene being staged have somehow evolved from "Was it staged?" to "It was staged", with no basis in fact. This is a documentary project from a freelance photojournalist.
Good point, WilliamJ. In that very picture showing him angry one wonders why his anger should ignore the photographer.
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Posted on Mar 5, 2013 at 23:42:22 UTC
Amadou Diallo: Some interesting comments around the choice between intervention and documentation. Arguments for both sides, obviously. But the comments about the scene being staged have somehow evolved from "Was it staged?" to "It was staged", with no basis in fact. This is a documentary project from a freelance photojournalist.
There is no way a person taking pictures in this situation could not have an effect on the people. So either it's staged or implicitly influenced.
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Posted on Mar 4, 2013 at 16:50:48 UTC
bb42: Some caution about the originality of the story is advisable. If it is for real - was Shane asked for consent to publish the pictures?
Ok, your understanding conflicts with given law in Austria, Switzerland, Germany and Italy, at least. Bad to know that in the US and UK anybody can make a portrait of me looking stupid and publish it.
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Posted on Mar 4, 2013 at 16:45:24 UTC
mandophoto: This is not the first nor hopefully last time a courageous photographer reveals truth within Paradise. For those here who believe this kind of photography is inappropriate for the public, be aware that hiding the truth is akin to enabling violence. The courageous young woman (victim,) in approving the publication of these photographs is doing for women and children (the victims of most violence) what too many in our society can't: tell the truth.
Truth is always complex. Any picture is a selection.
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Posted on Mar 2, 2013 at 14:15:15 UTC
ptox: It's facile to cry exploitation and shame: the same argument could be made for conflict photographers across the globe. We recognize the value in bluntly documenting the reality of war; why not the reality of domestic violence?
(I also wonder if the moralists here disagree with the police's advice that intervening would have been the wrong decision.)
No, "the same argument could _not_ be made for conflict photographers across the globe" - because these conflicts are typically of much larger size and a photographer will not influence them. That's different here, there is no way the presence of Mrs. Lewkowic could not influence the situation.
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Posted on Mar 2, 2013 at 14:11:46 UTC
Pierre Couture: Same zoom reach as the Pany FZ200, but with lesser grip, and slower lens. I like my TZ5, but this kind of reach is too big without a tripod on such a small body.
You're not forced to use the full zoom range...
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Posted on Jan 18, 2013 at 23:05:20 UTC
Kinematic Digit: This isn't exactly a new idea. Lipstick-cams have been around since before extreme sports. However, the main recording unit used to be much larger than this model.
Nice to see it come back. I always thought the GoPro was a dorky size compared to the lipstick-cams that I remembered from before. Nice to see it all waterproof as well.
And also nice that it is offered by a serious developer of digicams who has proven to understand what image quality means. Remains to be seen if it can live up to the promise, as anything I've seen in this category up to now was way below digicam IQ.
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Posted on Jan 9, 2013 at 17:34:49 UTC
G Davidson: This looks like a good all-around camera for someone who doesn't want to get into DSLR's, though it still rests on it's IQ. If there is any benefit from the new sensor, that long zoom range might be interesting to use, though images usually get so soft it's like using a teleconverter. When someone gets one of these right, it would be great for birding.
It makes sense to have both a bridgecam and a DSLR, and even to carry them both on a journey, and take the one with you depending on the situation. My experience, on the occasion of the arab spring, for everything that involves surprising situations nothing beats this kind of manual zoom. As an example, this picture was shot with the HS10: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palmaria_bengasi_1903_0612_b1.jpg
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Posted on Jan 9, 2013 at 17:25:01 UTC
Another camera that needs a strip of self-adhesive rubber as a handgrip to be usable...
dickg1: If Panasonic thinks this camera is going to seriously compete with the Canon S110 in attracting the "enthusiast" crowd, they screwed up big time!
In my mind, the feature that sets the Canon S110 apart from the majority of its peers is a 24mm wide end.
I recently sold my S95 and bought the S110 for just that reason. I'd much rather give up a 200mm long end to get a 24mm wide angle. The difference between 24mm & 28mm is much greater than the diffeence between 120mm and 200mm.
dickg1
marike "4mm is greater than 80mm? No it's not. Need a slightly wider FOV, you can always stitch two images together"
Not seriously, but you can always crop a 120 mm picture and get the 200 mm perspective, accepting the loss of resolution - you can't do that with a 28 vs 24 mm.
But otherwise I agree that - from my usage - 200 vs 120 is more often preferable than 24 vs 28.
iudex: Another barrier broken: an EVF in an enthusiast compact. This alone is great. Of course the 200k EVF is far from good one, however it is still 100% VF and this alone makes it far more useful than 75-80% OVF on G15 & co. So kudos to Panasonic for doing what many have asked for.
Exactly, and one wonders why no camera maker had this idea before, instead always competing in segments with almost the same feature set.
Looks like this could finally be a replacement for my Canon A720.
Maybe some day we'll even see a lens starting at 24 mm in a pocketable camera with a viewfinder.
I dont buy the "unexpectedly", either it was completely staged, or the photographer influenced the situation, in whatever direction, by pointing a camera at the man.
Domestic violence is a serious problem, if this report brought it to more attention, kudos for that.
But with regard to human beings in media, we always should keep in mind that there is no such thing as an objective view.
Hmm, I don't understand the sense of this digicam category (like S110), given the latest fast-lens offerings.
If one wants better low light perfromance/IQ - why not make a real step to faster lenses, like XZ-1/2 or G15? These also fit well into a jacket pocket.
If smaller, lighter and cheaper variants of 1/1,7" sensors make sense, then it would be with more zoom range, i.e. 28-200 but smaller aperture as the P-7700.
BTW I am currently discovering Marseille with a Canon A720 that I got at ebay after having sold an A710 there years ago :)
The IQ is really good (8 Mpx), it offers 35-210 zoom range AND an optical viewfinder AND fits into a pocket.
Pfff...
Almeida: A bit expensive...
So this is just the model to attract you, look at the dozen or so of cheaper bridge offers from the same brand and you might get happy...
jaykumarr: I am not very confident that Fuji's efforts in research and development and inventions are very fruitful in their end product due to poor quality control. White Orb Issues, Too much CAs, jpeg artifacts, soft except for "cluster line patterns" in photos are sporadically present in Fuji cameras. But, though inferior in spec. sheet Panasonic, Canon cameras deliver better output.
I hope/drool fuji delivers good output overall and nail the coffin of other bridge cameras. But I insist fuji to concentrate more in output quality than the fantasies of out of world inventions.
For more hands-on information you might want to learn japan.
Or, if the features you ask are so obvioius, motivate competitors to jump in the gap.
mpgxsvcd: Can someone remind me why an average consumer needs a 1000mm lens? This just seems like an exercise in seeing how big a lens you can fit on a small sensor camera.
I would much rather see a smaller zoom range and an F2.8 lens throughout. The Panasonic FZ200 is a much much better choice.
An _average_ consumer would rarely need more than 300 mm - so why invest in the size of a bridge cam in the first place?
Amadou Diallo: Some interesting comments around the choice between intervention and documentation. Arguments for both sides, obviously. But the comments about the scene being staged have somehow evolved from "Was it staged?" to "It was staged", with no basis in fact. This is a documentary project from a freelance photojournalist.
Good point, WilliamJ.
In that very picture showing him angry one wonders why his anger should ignore the photographer.
bb42: Some caution about the originality of the story is advisable.
If it is for real - was Shane asked for consent to publish the pictures?
Stan, are you saying that Mr. Angry signed this agreement?
Amadou Diallo: Some interesting comments around the choice between intervention and documentation. Arguments for both sides, obviously. But the comments about the scene being staged have somehow evolved from "Was it staged?" to "It was staged", with no basis in fact. This is a documentary project from a freelance photojournalist.
There is no way a person taking pictures in this situation could not have an effect on the people.
So either it's staged or implicitly influenced.
bb42: Some caution about the originality of the story is advisable.
If it is for real - was Shane asked for consent to publish the pictures?
Ok, your understanding conflicts with given law in Austria, Switzerland, Germany and Italy, at least.
Bad to know that in the US and UK anybody can make a portrait of me looking stupid and publish it.
rockjano: Great emotional pictures.
The question if the people are involved happy about that these pics went public...
And the guy was not asked?
mandophoto: This is not the first nor hopefully last time a courageous photographer reveals truth within Paradise. For those here who believe this kind of photography is inappropriate for the public, be aware that hiding the truth is akin to enabling violence. The courageous young woman (victim,) in approving the publication of these photographs is doing for women and children (the victims of most violence) what too many in our society can't: tell the truth.
Truth is always complex.
Any picture is a selection.
ptox: It's facile to cry exploitation and shame: the same argument could be made for conflict photographers across the globe. We recognize the value in bluntly documenting the reality of war; why not the reality of domestic violence?
(I also wonder if the moralists here disagree with the police's advice that intervening would have been the wrong decision.)
No, "the same argument could _not_ be made for conflict photographers across the globe" - because these conflicts are typically of much larger size and a photographer will not influence them.
That's different here, there is no way the presence of Mrs. Lewkowic could not influence the situation.
Some caution about the originality of the story is advisable.
If it is for real - was Shane asked for consent to publish the pictures?
Pierre Couture: Same zoom reach as the Pany FZ200, but with lesser grip, and slower lens. I like my TZ5, but this kind of reach is too big without a tripod on such a small body.
You're not forced to use the full zoom range...
Kinematic Digit: This isn't exactly a new idea. Lipstick-cams have been around since before extreme sports. However, the main recording unit used to be much larger than this model.
Nice to see it come back. I always thought the GoPro was a dorky size compared to the lipstick-cams that I remembered from before. Nice to see it all waterproof as well.
And also nice that it is offered by a serious developer of digicams who has proven to understand what image quality means.
Remains to be seen if it can live up to the promise, as anything I've seen in this category up to now was way below digicam IQ.
I'd love a A1400 'pro' model with OIS ;-)
G Davidson: This looks like a good all-around camera for someone who doesn't want to get into DSLR's, though it still rests on it's IQ. If there is any benefit from the new sensor, that long zoom range might be interesting to use, though images usually get so soft it's like using a teleconverter. When someone gets one of these right, it would be great for birding.
It makes sense to have both a bridgecam and a DSLR, and even to carry them both on a journey, and take the one with you depending on the situation.
My experience, on the occasion of the arab spring, for everything that involves surprising situations nothing beats this kind of manual zoom.
As an example, this picture was shot with the HS10:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palmaria_bengasi_1903_0612_b1.jpg