Trollshavethebestcandy: By Christmas it will be $800
Doubt it... wouldn't mind though!
Zvonimir Tosic: That it doesn't have an VF (and that to many is the deal-breaker?) well, why should have it?
Once upon a time, we all had to use the VF thing and stare through a tunnel, because that was the only way to imagine what film cameras will capture.And I bet, photographers in film days have missed a gazillion far more interesting shots just outside the VF because they were staring through the tunnel, rather than keeping a camera at a distance (like painters do with a sketchbook) and actually absorbing the world around them and noticing more interesting things happening at the decisive moment threshold.
Thus today, we curse VF-less cameras because of the old technological impediment?
A viewfinder has it's place... especially in bright sunshine. Also some people like a viewfinder. That said, that is evidently not the point of the E-P5. I see it excel in the hands of the street photographer who makes images covertly... in the rain... somewhere in Paris, Brussels, Tokyo, New York, Johannesburg...
To do the job well, you need the right tool...
Adobe take note, our photo's are very important to us. Very. And that's no small thing. Not to us.
Our software is not... it's expendable. If there is a risk that we cannot see/process/print our photo's because of you, you will lose us. And our wallets.
We'll see how this plays out.
Prognathous: DPR: What's the point of having two separate comment threads for this story (one here, the other in the review page)? This is the same story and the comments should be in one place.
Adrian Van: I would advise to go to Robin Wong blog and see his initial impressions after seeing this EP5 camera in person and his first review on it. Also he says the VF4 is a fine viewer and large for a reason for the same reason the FF cameras have bright large viewfinders for people to work better (except this is an EVF instead of OVF) The colours match between viewfinder and LCD. Both of them are more colour accurate than previous cameras including the EM5's EVF. Although large, the VF4 is superior to the EVF in EM5. I would imagine that the next EM6 will get the bit more improved rear LCD in next upgrade, but right now it is here in EP5. See Robin Wong's blog.
Of course how important more accurate colour is in EVF and LCD is relative and depends on the photographer's needs as both are usable. The image captured would be similar with same sensor.
I agree with Ricardo. For another, perhaps more unbiast view, have a look at Thom Hogan's sansmirror.com. He rightly questions the place of the EP5 and I tend to agree. What exactly, is the point of the EP5? Looks a bit like an OM-D with a built-in flash, but without the built-in EVF. At quite a premium to boot. Makes the OM-D a compelling proposition at this stage...
The esthetics of the images remain subjective. Everyone who thinks the photo's we see in the news and magazines are not post processed to some extent at least, is naïve.
MP Burke: I think that the interest in photographing animals in the field is the ability to capture behaviour, such as fighting, feeding and mating.Going out when the insect is at its coldest and immobile prevents such behaviour being observed.The dragonfly in the photograph is not identified and indeed could be difficult to identify, since the view does not show the top of the abdomen or thorax where many characteristic markings are likely to be. Some may regard the image as novel or attractive, but it says little about what the insect is and nothing about what it does, so I do not regard it as being particularly useful nature photography.It should be said that if people become fixated on stacking and want a static subject there are many pinned specimens already in museum collections. Some invertebrates are in decline: no need to kill them. Finally many small animals have been photographed using the scanning electron microscope, with higher DOF and resolution than optical can provide.
You're missing the point of the article. I'm not about to explain it to you, to make it clear to you what it's about, go and read all of Erez Marom's articles. If you still don't get it, you are wasting your time reading and commenting here.
Sounds fantastic and I wish them well. I just hope this time money is no object and he won't sell out to the highest bidder... again. Time will tell.
Vallkar: I don't like the idea of subscription for software. I have used Adobe products for past 22 years and have regularly upgraded. My last upgrade was a CS3 suite. I did not upgrade to CS4 or CS5 - I am quite happy with CS3. As I have missed 2 upgrades I may not qualify for an upgrade as per new Adobe upgrade policy (one wonders if these upgrade charges are really justified as the improvements over a previous version is not that huge. Lot of these improvements can be supplied as plugins I am sure). I believe Adobe will lose out on some loyal users because of these upgrade ideas they have.
I agree, CS3 is a powerful program, that could even today almost be the gold standard if it was the latest edition. I upgraded from CS3 to CS5. The difference was huge and worth the money. Even the ACR upgrade alone (I forget the version numbers) was worth the money. However, the subscription idea is a bridge to far. Perhaps I shall still upgrade to CS6 and that would be that. The run on subscriptions, I suspect, would peter out in the end when Adobe raise the price on that... and they would.
woody24: is it me, or does the space needle photo look really grainy? I would have thought a camera that costs this much, and shoots only B&W would have ultra smooth colors.
Ultra smooth colors? : D
T I Wood: APPLE please buy Adobe and NIK software!!!
The man is not just 'gone' frank200, he died! Perhaps you have read some sensational books and reports about him, but there are actually people out there that cared about him. Your remark remains insensitive, no matter what you read!
This is one of the most insensitive remarks I have ever seen an any forum! You should be ashamed of yourself!
The problem Adobe has is that if CS3 was the latest version, it would still be the gold standard. CS5 is way better than CS3 and more than enough for a long time to come IMHO. You can do your basic RAW conversion in any software program you wish, save it as a tiff and still pull it into ACR to benefit from all the tools inside it. Or you could convert a copy of your RAW file to DNG and then pull it (as a RAW file) into ACR. Point is, you actually don't need another ACR upgrade to recognize your new camera's RAW format.
Hey Adobe, we won't need CS6 or perhaps even 7 for a while still. Especially not inside an iCloud or any other iBig Boss or iEye-In-The-Sky type of system. Sorry. Forget it. Not now, not ever. Especially not for the amount of money you charge!
garyknrd: I moved to Asia after I retired. And I hate to say this but if you go into a computer shop here and want windows 7, CS5 or whatever is is 10 dollars. They hack everything. It must be costing the software giants billions of dollars. I had a glitch in my laptop the other day and wanted windows reloaded. When I got it back it had CS5, windows 7 and several other programs added just for bringing it in. 10 dollars. I asked the software guy what was up. He said and I quote.The Americans make the best software and we haven't paid for any yet.I kinda see where PS is coming from. But I think they need to fix there software where it is safe from hackers. Then it would be cheaper to all.
>I kinda see where PS is coming from. But I think they need to fix there software where it is safe from hackers. Then it would be cheaper to all.
Would it? In Europe they just convert the US$ price to €. Just like that. Do you believe they would pass on what they save to us? Or would they just pocket the profit?
Adobe has crossed a line in customer relations that shouldn'd be crossed. This new 'special offer' is a slight backtrack, but even after the public outcry they play hardball. They are going to lose customers, that's for shure. I am one of them.
Same experience with the books by Martin Evening. He is not so prolific, only publishing one or two per Photoshop and Elements release, but they are professional books, to be used as handbooks with in-depth information on the whole software package. Additionally, Evening is part of the Adobe development team, so his books are regarded as the gold standard,
Kelby's books, in my oppinion aims at a different market. It's a lot more populist but has an important place, especially for the amateur photographer. It's a lot more instant recipe (in a very good and useful way) as apposed to academic, in depth information. If you can stand the very America gags (personally I find them very distracting) which are often not even funny, you will find his books useful with excellent advice that really works very well. Up to a point, because the recipes does not work for all images and often you wouldn't know exactly why not.
Wonderful image, really clever and playful! It really deserve to be rated much higher. I can only think that it was sandbagged to 8th place with all those 1 star votes. Why people would be so petty in something that should be fun is so strange!
abatterbury: 18-yr scotch with ice? Are you mad?!
Oh you're a snob! If you really know something about whisky you should know there's nothing wrong with having it with ice!