Dave Blair: could this be Fuji's answer to the Panny FZ200? The HS30 certainly was not a competitor.. The bigger sensor and manual zoom is appealing.
Competitor in what? Handling,ergonomics, build for HS30. Video for FZ200, IQ is same, sometimes FZ is horrible. Constant aperture for FZ200. So they are equal in terms of features but HS30 is overall better in terms of price/performance.
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jcmarfilph: Fuji will never make it to DPR's list anymore. Ever!
There is no such thing as excellent built, handling, manual zoom and IQ consideration anymore but only slippery brick and sluggish motorized zoom.
Looks at ISO-1600, S110 is horrible and smeary in detail ex. Mr. Robot and the hair beside it. The hair on the right of the beetle. G15 is not even better on some parts of the scene versus X10. They are all included on the list but on the recommendation, Fuji has no place in DPR. Why not put a separate category for manual zoom and with OVF cameras?
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Posted on Dec 19, 2012 at 03:43:00 UTC
Just another way of making your life miserable just so you can say you are IN. Why waste time converting individual frames with lousy filter when you can use other tools to put effects on the video directly.
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Posted on Nov 28, 2012 at 15:39:28 UTC
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Why would I pay for $550 motorized toyzoom that is slow and sluggish and smeary even in lower ISO. Pay a visit to PTF and see all those miserable results from that camera. I can get a $300 Fuji HS30 and produce better result plus the excellent manual zoom and ergonomics.
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Posted on Nov 23, 2012 at 14:20:39 UTC
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Aleo Veuliah: I have played with one FZ200, this is the best Bridge camera ever made.
Well done Panasonic Lumix, having such a zoom with constant f/2.8 and the other features is great.
Then you are hallucinating if you call this toy the best. I would not give up the huge advantage of manual zoom over that slow moving constant mushy lens.
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Posted on Nov 19, 2012 at 21:03:43 UTC
Aleo Veuliah: I have played with one FZ200, this is the best Bridge camera ever made.
Well done Panasonic Lumix, having such a zoom with constant f/2.8 and the other features is great.
What makes you think it is the best when it has the worst feature on it? Using motorized superzoom camera is like eating cob corn on a stick. If I were to rate this toy, I will give it bronze-crap only for having a constant aperture. IQ is just average and has a toy-ish size and design.
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Posted on Nov 19, 2012 at 17:11:41 UTC
AngelicBeaver: I find it sad that Optical Zoom became the next megapixel race. I had the FZ20, and it was a great learner camera: 12x optical zoom, 5 MP, constant F2.8 aperture, and Image stabilization. Then came the FZ30 with a little more zoom and an aperture that darkened on the long end. Wrong way, I thought.
I drop out for a while and when I look up again, all these superzooms are coming with 26x, 30x, 36x optical zooms! I thought, just like the MP wars, this is targeted for people who don't know anything except more "X" is better (X = MP, optical zoom, etc.). 12x vs. 30x? 30x is better. 5mp vs 12mp? 12mp wins.
Give me 8-10 megapixels, 12x optical zoom, constant fast aperture, and clean ISO 80-800 (perfect at 80, good at 800) and I'd say you had a killer superzoom.
Of course these cameras have lens issues. Too much optical zoom. My mother in law bought one (26x Nikon) and took it to Ireland. Every zoomed pic she took looked like crap and she never could figure out why.
Look no more, X-S1 is what you are looking for. Far superior and deserving than this toy.
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Posted on Nov 19, 2012 at 12:05:45 UTC
jcmarfilph: Cut the crap DPR. Review the real thing.
Get the new X-S1 (with the new sensor). Review it side-by-side with this toy.
State the advantages and disadvantages of each feature (brighter lens, manual zoom, motorized zoom, larger sensor, EVF etc.)
If you can't do it, you will just prove again to us your bias toward Panasonic and Canon superzoom.
@Edmond: It is not about being concerned to push that comparison. FZ200 is not even superior than FZ150, SX40 and HS30 in IQ. It just that DPR is continuously ignoring to review the X-S1 when it should be so easy for them to get a sample from Fuji.
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Posted on Nov 18, 2012 at 19:23:10 UTC
worldcup1982: Raw comparison at f6.3 for the FZ200 and f3.5 for the FZ150? is that correct? if so, wouldnt that give a good advantage for the FZ150? in resolution terms? (less diffraction for the FZ150)
@The Reason:
Look at the EXIF of FZ150 and FZ200 and tell your words to yourself.
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Posted on Nov 18, 2012 at 13:19:36 UTC
jcmarfilph: Cut the crap DPR. Review the real thing.
Get the new X-S1 (with the new sensor). Review it side-by-side with this toy.
State the advantages and disadvantages of each feature (brighter lens, manual zoom, motorized zoom, larger sensor, EVF etc.)
If you can't do it, you will just prove again to us your bias toward Panasonic and Canon superzoom.
@Andy:
I can shoot at full 720mm handheld at 1/20s and f/5.6 and still hit the shot without blur so do I always need than fancy f/2.8? Sure you can shoot at faster shutter speed and lower ISO but with X-S1, you can with higher ISO and slightly slower shutter speed and still produce better result than FZ200.
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Posted on Nov 18, 2012 at 12:49:04 UTC
jcmarfilph: Cut the crap DPR. Review the real thing.
Get the new X-S1 (with the new sensor). Review it side-by-side with this toy.
State the advantages and disadvantages of each feature (brighter lens, manual zoom, motorized zoom, larger sensor, EVF etc.)
If you can't do it, you will just prove again to us your bias toward Panasonic and Canon superzoom.
@Beach: You maybe right about those things but the handling,ergonomics, sensor size, EVF and manual zoom are the things as equally or more important than those.
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Posted on Nov 18, 2012 at 12:40:52 UTC
Great job Fuji. Time to put nails on competitor's coffin.
Faster AF and STS on top of much faster framing because of excellent manual zoom. The miles gap in handling and framing just gets farther.
OIS, Focus peaking, Hybrid AF, Faster STS, and possible fast aperture on 600mm-720mm so it's time to shine.
Dave Blair: could this be Fuji's answer to the Panny FZ200? The HS30 certainly was not a competitor.. The bigger sensor and manual zoom is appealing.
Competitor in what? Handling,ergonomics, build for HS30. Video for FZ200, IQ is same, sometimes FZ is horrible. Constant aperture for FZ200. So they are equal in terms of features but HS30 is overall better in terms of price/performance.
The place for diehard fans to vote for their camera.
jcmarfilph: Fuji will never make it to DPR's list anymore. Ever!
There is no such thing as excellent built, handling, manual zoom and IQ consideration anymore but only slippery brick and sluggish motorized zoom.
Looks at ISO-1600, S110 is horrible and smeary in detail ex. Mr. Robot and the hair beside it. The hair on the right of the beetle. G15 is not even better on some parts of the scene versus X10. They are all included on the list but on the recommendation, Fuji has no place in DPR. Why not put a separate category for manual zoom and with OVF cameras?
Fuji will never make it to DPR's list anymore. Ever!
There is no such thing as excellent built, handling, manual zoom and IQ consideration anymore but only slippery brick and sluggish motorized zoom.
jcmarfilph: The IQ is far better than the ones found on camera-wannabe like iPhones. Just put that real-phone functionality and it will be a real hit.
Then tell those delusional fanboyz to stop with their hallucination that they can use iPhone for serious photography.
The IQ is far better than the ones found on camera-wannabe like iPhones. Just put that real-phone functionality and it will be a real hit.
What is to get from uploading a horrible pic from iPhone then getting a more horrible result from this app?
Just another way of making your life miserable just so you can say you are IN. Why waste time converting individual frames with lousy filter when you can use other tools to put effects on the video directly.
It's DPR's selection. Who cares?
I have mine, we all have. =D
Why would I pay for $550 motorized toyzoom that is slow and sluggish and smeary even in lower ISO. Pay a visit to PTF and see all those miserable results from that camera. I can get a $300 Fuji HS30 and produce better result plus the excellent manual zoom and ergonomics.
Aleo Veuliah: I have played with one FZ200, this is the best Bridge camera ever made.
Well done Panasonic Lumix, having such a zoom with constant f/2.8 and the other features is great.
Then you are hallucinating if you call this toy the best. I would not give up the huge advantage of manual zoom over that slow moving constant mushy lens.
Aleo Veuliah: I have played with one FZ200, this is the best Bridge camera ever made.
Well done Panasonic Lumix, having such a zoom with constant f/2.8 and the other features is great.
What makes you think it is the best when it has the worst feature on it? Using motorized superzoom camera is like eating cob corn on a stick. If I were to rate this toy, I will give it bronze-crap only for having a constant aperture. IQ is just average and has a toy-ish size and design.
AngelicBeaver: I find it sad that Optical Zoom became the next megapixel race. I had the FZ20, and it was a great learner camera: 12x optical zoom, 5 MP, constant F2.8 aperture, and Image stabilization. Then came the FZ30 with a little more zoom and an aperture that darkened on the long end. Wrong way, I thought.
I drop out for a while and when I look up again, all these superzooms are coming with 26x, 30x, 36x optical zooms! I thought, just like the MP wars, this is targeted for people who don't know anything except more "X" is better (X = MP, optical zoom, etc.). 12x vs. 30x? 30x is better. 5mp vs 12mp? 12mp wins.
Give me 8-10 megapixels, 12x optical zoom, constant fast aperture, and clean ISO 80-800 (perfect at 80, good at 800) and I'd say you had a killer superzoom.
Of course these cameras have lens issues. Too much optical zoom. My mother in law bought one (26x Nikon) and took it to Ireland. Every zoomed pic she took looked like crap and she never could figure out why.
Look no more, X-S1 is what you are looking for. Far superior and deserving than this toy.
jcmarfilph: Cut the crap DPR. Review the real thing.
Get the new X-S1 (with the new sensor). Review it side-by-side with this toy.
State the advantages and disadvantages of each feature (brighter lens, manual zoom, motorized zoom, larger sensor, EVF etc.)
If you can't do it, you will just prove again to us your bias toward Panasonic and Canon superzoom.
@Edmond: It is not about being concerned to push that comparison. FZ200 is not even superior than FZ150, SX40 and HS30 in IQ. It just that DPR is continuously ignoring to review the X-S1 when it should be so easy for them to get a sample from Fuji.
worldcup1982: Raw comparison at f6.3 for the FZ200 and f3.5 for the FZ150? is that correct? if so, wouldnt that give a good advantage for the FZ150? in resolution terms? (less diffraction for the FZ150)
@The Reason:
Look at the EXIF of FZ150 and FZ200 and tell your words to yourself.
jcmarfilph: Cut the crap DPR. Review the real thing.
Get the new X-S1 (with the new sensor). Review it side-by-side with this toy.
State the advantages and disadvantages of each feature (brighter lens, manual zoom, motorized zoom, larger sensor, EVF etc.)
If you can't do it, you will just prove again to us your bias toward Panasonic and Canon superzoom.
@Andy:
I can shoot at full 720mm handheld at 1/20s and f/5.6 and still hit the shot without blur so do I always need than fancy f/2.8? Sure you can shoot at faster shutter speed and lower ISO but with X-S1, you can with higher ISO and slightly slower shutter speed and still produce better result than FZ200.
jcmarfilph: Cut the crap DPR. Review the real thing.
Get the new X-S1 (with the new sensor). Review it side-by-side with this toy.
State the advantages and disadvantages of each feature (brighter lens, manual zoom, motorized zoom, larger sensor, EVF etc.)
If you can't do it, you will just prove again to us your bias toward Panasonic and Canon superzoom.
@Beach: You maybe right about those things but the handling,ergonomics, sensor size, EVF and manual zoom are the things as equally or more important than those.
Cut the crap DPR. Review the real thing.
Get the new X-S1 (with the new sensor). Review it side-by-side with this toy.
State the advantages and disadvantages of each feature (brighter lens, manual zoom, motorized zoom, larger sensor, EVF etc.)
If you can't do it, you will just prove again to us your bias toward Panasonic and Canon superzoom.
g7star: Thank you for the review. Now, will you have SX50 review sometime soon? I see SX50 in the studio comparison list.
Based on the comparison, SX50 resolves better than FZ200. Will you bet that they will only give it Silver-crap award?