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stuart melnikoff: If you do the math, the current upgrade costs are about $10/mo ($180 upgrade fee divided by 18 mos). Now the "special educational pricing" is $20 and more if you don't qualify which is literally 2x+. I called Adobe and their response was that I get access to the full creative suite of programs . Frankly this is NOT a benefit to me. Charge me $10/mo and limit my access to PS only. I don't want to pay twice for software I will never use, but offer it as a package. Here's my suggestion - $10 for one program, $15 for two and $20 for the full suite. Let the consumer make the choice for what works best for their situation. I am extremely disappointed at this and most likely will not participate. Vote with your wallets people and people will listen. Sorry for the rant but this is a sad day indeed.
Minimum. Forever.
MarcLee: Adobe shills, please stop with the talking point/lie that GIMP and Paint Shop Pro do not have 16-bit support. Both do. And GIMP's current test release even has 32 bit support.
I have no doubt 95% of users here WILL try, not to mention many in the Facebook page. Congratulations Adobe. Some are too dense to see this is a question of TRUST.
Do Pom Poms come with the cheer leading outfit?
MarcLee: Adobe shills, please stop with the talking point/lie that GIMP and Paint Shop Pro do not have 16-bit support. Both do. And GIMP's current test release even has 32 bit support.
Someone here is also missing the point that a great many pro users and companies NEVER connect mission critical workstations to the internet. And I include major animation companies and TV producers in that.
MarcLee: Adobe shills, please stop with the talking point/lie that GIMP and Paint Shop Pro do not have 16-bit support. Both do. And GIMP's current test release even has 32 bit support.
Gosh. You are arguing about the "present" date? I thought you shills talking point was "welcome to the FUTURE"? But keep up with the disinformation.
Stefan Stuart Fletcher: We're getting a Hobson's choice: all or nothing, in other words, no choice at all. It's just like mobile phone operators who keep their compulsory multi-year plans deliberately incomprehensible to obscure comparisons and make sure that every subscriber pays the full price for a service never used to the full.
The one difference is that there is some competition, so you can "easily" change mobile service providers (although that required laws to prevent cartel / anti-trust practice). This also forces operators to innovate to retain clients. There is no viable alternative to Adobe at present. It doesn't need to innovate. Everyone loses.
Adobe themselves are admitting that one thing they are pi$$ed off about is people still running old versions, and the limited take-up of the latest and greatest. So clearly, for the majority of their market, including the ones answering the poll here, you are wrong.
boinkphoto: My problem is if you come on hard times you lose access to your tools. That's pretty close to a deal breaker to me.
And if you want to continue working on your images after you retire, pay until you die.
CarlosNunezUSA: A very nice article by Corel . I think they are the best alternative to Adobe and have really strong products. The problem is that they have no Mac Version which is a pity. I would encourage you to leave a message on their page requesting an OsX version. They cannot do that in 2 days, but I guess my CS6 version can hold until Corel is ready, if they make the commitment. Now would be a good time for Corel CEO to put on the big pants and challenge Adobe with an annoucement.
http://corelblogs.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/corel-is-all-about-giving-users-choice/#comments
"Possibly... but I love how they made Adobe Flash dissapear in 2 months" Yeah of course. That's why my Mac computer isn't more crippled than my PC because of all the Flash websites and videos it won't play.
Stefan Stuart Fletcher: We're getting a Hobson's choice: all or nothing, in other words, no choice at all. It's just like mobile phone operators who keep their compulsory multi-year plans deliberately incomprehensible to obscure comparisons and make sure that every subscriber pays the full price for a service never used to the full.
The one difference is that there is some competition, so you can "easily" change mobile service providers (although that required laws to prevent cartel / anti-trust practice). This also forces operators to innovate to retain clients. There is no viable alternative to Adobe at present. It doesn't need to innovate. Everyone loses.
"If Adobe doesn't feel any pressure to innovate, it's because none of their competition is within 5 years of catching up." Nope. It['s because this is a mature software product, and as with all such, incremental changes that can be made now are small. Basically if you missed the last three updates you missed very little. Same goes with Office suites as well. Don't expect major upgrades now. Expect to pay more to get less.
Marcin 3M: And what will happened to digital assets (stored locally by users), when one day Adobe vanish (as a result of bankrupcy, earthquake, asteroid or whatever)?
What if US gouvernment will restrict access to the service for some countries?
Soft will stop working in a less than 1 month.
What next?
You are missing the point. I am talking about governments being able to screw up your access to PROGRAMS.
bobbarber: I feel the need to post that Gimp's current development version, 2.9, works in 16 and 32 bit color per channel. It will soon be released as 2.10, with 16 and 32 bit color in the stable version.
It seems that the Adobe paid posters have "Gimp is 8-bit color" in their talking points, which, by the way, is another useful way to spot them.
"However there are no alternatives to InDesign and/or Premiere. " Dunno about InDesign, but I have to tell you you're wrong about Premiere. I like it and use it, but more pros use Avid or Final Cut. Avid for movies, and FCP in the smaller production houses and in TV environments like mine. Many consider Premiere a step above Vegas (which is also good in its own way) but Premiere is AT LEAST a poor third, or was until Apple, f***ed up FCP X.
EssexAsh: wow, dpreview are really milking this story, surely theres a camera phone somewhere that needs your attention now?
If this doesn't affect you, maybe a camera phone is all you need.
Marcin 3M: And what will happened to digital assets (stored locally by users), when one day Adobe vanish (as a result of bankrupcy, earthquake, asteroid or whatever)?
What if US gouvernment will restrict access to the service for some countries?
Soft will stop working in a less than 1 month.
What next?
It's not just the US government. Would you trust your ability to get access to the internet to make say, photographic political parodies, if you lived in ANY totalitarian state? This puts a new form of censorship, one that deprives users of tools, in the hand of any government that wants it.
danny006: I think they try to stop the illegal download of photoshop, a smart move I must say.
Wrong. Adobe has admitted this will not stop piracy. And the program WILL be downloaded onto your computer. There will be pirated versions on the street in HK before you have a legit one.
DavidMaven: Back to film and chemical darkrooms! Buy an enlarger once, you own it forever.
Adobe will make hostages of Lightroom users next.
They don't just rent you the film.
don_van_vliet: Market research for Adobe?
Photographers do reach 60... if the wild life does not catch up with them first.
MarcLee: Ironically, what Adobe is doing to us is a bit like what many wedding photographers do to their clients.
I am talking about the old practice of holding people's negatives to ransom, just like Adobe holds your Adobe proprietary files to ransom. But I know wedding photogs won't like the comparison, which happens to be apt.
" Adobe is pretty much the only game in town if you are operating on a professional level" Working in the broadcast industry I have heard this said about so many products ... which now do not even have the dominant market share.
60D: Who wants to get locked into a subscription service for software? Apple in comparison are very smart, lots of inexpensive APPS. I'll stick with FCPX and buy ready to use FX from rampantdesigntools.com Roll your own expensive effects via subscription? Bwah ha ha ha... So passe.
Except that FCPX was just as big an expression of corporate arrogance as is this. They shafted generations of their corporate users by switching paradigms and trying to just dumb the previous Final Cut model.
Marvin Bartley: any suggestion for alternate software to photoshop
However, while there are good deals on alternatives, why not start learning them? There is no indication Adobe's ethics will improve so now is a good time to start on a MUCH cheaper upgrade path.
MarcLee: Ironically, what Adobe is doing to us is a bit like what many wedding photographers do to their clients.
But, traditionally, if you want to return to your negatives without their help you are screwed. You will still get your "prints" with Photoshop.
mgblack74: What happens if you don't have a credit card?
So Photoshop becomes XBox.