sop51: Just look at Andreas Gursky's "Rhein II" or Cindy Sherman's "Untitled #96." Someone actually paid $4.3 million for Gursky's print recently, breaking Sherman's record of $3.9 million for the most overpriced photographic print ever sold. Can anyone honestly say those prints are any better than Kearney's work? I gave up trying to figure out what "great photography" is a long time ago.
Samuel, thanks for that link. I have seen it before. It's also on YouTube. It is a huge pity it's such a low-res video though, particularly given the detail of Gursky's work.
sop51, my point is that Gursky is about more than marketing. And while I might be able to take Rob's pictures (not that I'm knocking them, in fact I have little time for those that do) I have much greater doubts that I could achieve Gursky's.
Whenever I see someone superficially badmouthing another photographer's works here I almost always immediately go to check their gallery.
95% of the time they have uploaded nothing.
And no links to their work either.
showmeyourpics: Let's keep some perspective. The young man shows promise. His pics show his efforts to "see" the picture. The processing leaves a lot to be desired. He definitely deserves encouragement and I wish him not to grow a gigantic ego
And of course showmeyourpics has an empty gallery. Always nice to criticise from that position.
Don't know about Sherman, but I know that a hell of a lot more work goes into Gursky's final product than is apparent on a first glance. It is as constructed as any painting.
Many people say they could have "taken" that photo. They couldn't. And neither could Gursky. Like it or loathe it, his photographic work is "made" not taken.
You can get some idea of his process here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkcqjN4XcT4
TheEmrys: Still has the crummy pink hue to skin tones in RAW.
I hear the grinding of an axe. You are a very rare individual who thinks Sony colours better than Canon's. Both have some issues, but green tinged faces are not my thing.
If anything, most of the faces in these images are a little too wan, but maybe that's a function of the North American climate.
GaryJP: So "post focus" basically means taking a still frame from a video focus pull.
Yeah. Big it up. It really is not something that is a huge step. The "magical" preshooting, having footage before you pressed the button, on video cameras , was somewhat more impressive.
If it's using 30 fps you still need a second to get 30 frames.
So "post focus" basically means taking a still frame from a video focus pull.
veroman: Seems to me that the review is better than the camera. I know some photogs swear by this line of Sony cams, but the ergonomics, buttons, menus, A/F and overall "feel" of these cams just isn't up there with the best DSLRs. Yeah, the bodies are svelt, but with a couple of those big, fast Sony zooms and primes coming along for the ride, you've got yourself a pretty hefty, heavy, bulky package. What's the point? High IQ? Megapixels? High IQ and megapixels are the easy part these days. Making a camera that will last a lifetime ... as they did in the film days ... is what's really needed; that along with a camera that gets all of the basics right. Hmmmm ... like a Leica?
Hmm. I don't often see people arguing FOR deliberate planned obsolescence.
zubs: Read through a lot of comments. The negative ones are mainly Canikon users me thinks. Yes this camera is not ideal for sports, if that was the main requirement then spend 10k on a Canon. The fact is Sony has rewritten the rules of photography, and provided a range of camera's other than A7rII that have awesome capabilities and knock the socks off competitors. Many can't deal with what Sony have done and are probably feeling insecure with what they have. I was a Canon user for a long time, I switched to Sony as it suits my requirements far beyond what Canon could offer. My A-mount SLT performs brilliantly for me, hopefully at some point I may move to full frame. Canon has been on the throne as king for a long time, a Sony revolution is taking place.... Innovation is champion, and at the moment Canon isn't doing much of it.
Or maybe they stay with Canon or Nikon on the basis of a considered decision. What the heck is the matter with people here? The football fan mentality of this place is pathetic.
joe_leads: Today I looked through the viewfinder of a Canon 6D and was so shocked by that tiny and primitive focus area. You're getting so used to all the benefits this great camera system brings to you.
Then that would be Adorama. Not Canon.
Shows that the most important piece of equipment is the eye.
(And the best pictures here have the worst dynamic range. )
Snapper2013: Did you get release form from all those people in the photographs or is that not required?The reason I ask is because DPR features and sells the equipment used by your photos for commercial gain.
Nice pictures btw.
The legal principle has already been established that if it is an "art" project it can be sold and displayed without a release.
Nussenzweig v. diCorcia
Frank_BR: "Close, but no cigar" Hmmm ... Smoking may be bad for your health, Ming!
Seriously, Ming Thein should explain why, despite all the "limitations" and "shortcomings", the market for mirrorless cameras are continuously expanding, while the market for DSLR cameras shrinks all the time. It seems that the world wants to quit smoking cigars.
... Expanding markets?
The DSLR is a mature market and many already have DSLRs that fit their needs. Mirrorless is not yet a mature market so grows faster.
Thuravi Kumaaran: Is Good, Good Enough?https://luminous-landscape.com/is-good-good-enough/
It is interesting.
Two guys well worth listening to. And they know how to deliver the goods. They are also much closer to MOST of the real world photographers I meet.
biza43: I wonder if it is worthwhile for DPR to post articles like these, with examples of professional photogs doing their job in the real world. Some people, like me, are thankful for these articles. At the same time, I feel sad for those that only know how to criticize and pull puerile and pointless gearhead stuff from their hats, they would starve if they ever had to make a living out of their fancy cameras...
Just a bunch of couch potatoes and desk-keyboard "photographers"...
"Pulled out of hats" is the very POLITE way to say it.
GaryJP: Nice. Ignore the brand bashing clowns.
It never is to the brand bashers.
WACONimages: Reading some(many...) of the comments below I begin to feel a bit sad....
I think this video is very nice to watch. Great nature and passioned photographer and sporters. That is what photography is all about. Go out and shoot, with whatever brand/gear.
They put a lot of effort in making this video and most comments are nitpicking.
Sometimes I ask myself how many visitors of review sites are actually enjoying photography ;-)?
I make my living with photography. And pixel peeping mostly happens online at forums and comments on reviews. Clients don't do pixel peeping most of the time. The want images which suits with their needs.
Even if some images seem to have too much noise for your needs or expectations. That is mostly seen only on your screen at 100%. As soon you start to print the images most images will look just wonderful!
Only two compliments for the video I see so far I believe. Why would Dpreview make another one, if complaining is all they get in response..
I really almost never met these silly brand bashers among real photographers in the real world. It is an online hobby.
Nice. Ignore the brand bashing clowns.
AllanW: "Let's be fair though. For portrait shooters, wedding, event, and newborn photographers shooting moving subjects with fast, shorter primes, the a7R II is a gem, leading to typically higher 'hit' or 'keeper' rates than DSLRs even."
Thanks for the article.
Have you done any real world shooting at a low light wedding or event that has lead you to the above statement?
I'm guessing the Sony will do well when there is time for framing such as the wedding vows, kiss etc.
What I'm wondering though is how does it do when shooting candid's at a low light wedding/function.
With my D750 am constantly looking around for those "special candid moments" that happen in a split second. In group area mode I can quickly lift my camera fire a shot and capture a well focused image. The moment can come and go in a second.
Also, how about dance floor photos? People jumping around, often times the dance floor is dark and the guest are strongly backlit with video lights etc.
So far I have seen no portfolios showing this enhanced ability though.